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Re: Hemophiliac in SF Guardian
by francko.lamerikx＠philips.com 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Efren responded: >> He has to be an irritated Faith No More fan. Actually, I thought this could've been written by Trey Spruance. He has expressed similar thoughts about this issue, see for example the interview he did with the SF Bay Guardian at http://www.sfbg.com/36/36/art_spruance.html, "Trey Spruance declares war on hipness by association". I think he is right, too. Too much dross is being passed of as acceptable or even great music in the area of free improv - as in any other area, for that matter. I totally agree that records like the dreadful "Weird Little Boy" and also "Hemophiliac" (which I haven't heard so I can't comment on its contents) probably sell only because the names of Zorn and Patton are attached to them. At this point, I don't think there are any irritated Faith No More fans left. They have been replaced by the irritated Mr.Bungle fans, who would rather hear a fourth Bungle album than any of the other projects Patton and the others have done since. Let's hope that Trey succeeds in setting this sorry lot straight with the "Book of Horizons" CD, to be released in May. Frankco > Bad blood > > It must be a source of endless frustration for the > starving artists of the > noise and free-improvisation scenes, who often have > trouble moving a few > hundred units of their latest proud creation, to see > an all-star side > project like John Zorn, Mike Patton, and Ikue Mori's > Hemophiliac > effortlessly sell out a few thousand copies of an > Internet-only CD ? priced > at 45 bucks no less. The real knee-slapper is this > overpriced CD > (self-titled, and released in 2002 through Zorn's > label, Tzadik) isn't even > any good ? it sounds like something you'd yawn and > fidget through on improv > night at the local art-gallery storefront. So why > would anyone recommend > seeing this trio live? Morbid curiosity? A > celebrities-at-their-worst-style > fascination with public failure? Or the slim hope > these talented cult icons > reach beyond the Knitting Factory improv clichés and > smarmy laptop computer > gimmicks that characterize so much of the CD? Cross > your fingers. 8 p.m., > Slim's, 333 Folsom, S.F. $20. (415) 255-0333. (Will > York)

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RE: Turkey?? and the whole world...
by Kaan Kor 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Hi all. This is my first comment here and i want to declare some of my opinions if u all appreciate.Thanks from the beginnig but this must not be the point we argue now. Yes thats right every civilations have bad or good backround.I think we have to take notes from our past no need to talk them more or in other ways.Because this subject can be interpreated in different ways. Thats right we have many other difficulties nowadays. I think u heard the news of the Pentagon that President Bush hide the truth from both his nations and the rest of the world.Yes our world become smaller day by day and a global village.There will be more great wars related to the water problem, hungry will become also the other topic that we have to focus on.There are some unknown diseases around the world that we had not encounter before.I think we all must be cafeful that what is going on our world.We must have the fair to all humankind. tahts all now bye from Turkei, ERDAL >From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney(a)hotmail.com> >To: s_errore(a)hotmail.com, ubaykara(a)ykb.com, zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com >Subject: RE: Turkey?? and the whole world... >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:37:38 +0000 > >Just to clarify: > >>I think that what happend in Germany fifty years ago... > >That's obvious. I don't mind Zorn making harsh comments at nazis, but I >don't like him making them at Germans *today*, for something other people >did more than 50 years ago. > > > > > >>>From: "Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney(a)hotmail.com> >>>To: ubaykara(a)ykb.com, zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com >>>Subject: Re: Turkey? >>>Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:21:57 +0000 >>> >>>>First of all, anti-semitism is not a big issue here except for a few >>>>radical islamists about whom nobody cares. >>> >>>That's what I figured, but also the nazis in Germany was more than fifty >>>years ago and Zorn still says pretty rude things in that direction (like >>>in the "Sabbath In Paradise" movie, and also at concerts), so you never >>>know. >>> >>>_________________________________________________________________ >>>Get fast, reliable access with MSN 9 Dial-up. Click here for Special >>>Offer! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/ >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>zorn-list mailing list >>>zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >>>To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage >>>below >>>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Watch high-quality video with fast playback at MSN Video. Free! >http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200365ave/direct/01/ > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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tony malaby apparitions and hilmar jenssen ditty blei
by Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

--hi. does anyone have tony malaby apparitions and hilmar jenssen ditty blei --for trade? i have a lot of boots. thanks, brian. hi brian, why don't you go to www.songlines.com to order what you deserve. I did order there before, no problem. These are official releases by the artists so fans should honor their work by paying for it. After all making music is a tough job and I suppose none of the musicians will become rich by what they do. I know this sounds idealistic, and to be honest I have made CD-copys myself. But I try to limit it to items which are really not availible. Sorry, I had to make a statement there. BTW apparations is really good, two drummers, bass, sax. martin

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Off Topic: Downtown Music Gallery?
by Efrén del Valle 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Hi, Sorry for the off-topic. Has anyone tried to place an order at DMG during the last few days (Thursday, Friday maybe)? I've sent four or five e-mails to them to no avail and I just wanted to know if there's some problem with my e-mail account. Thank you. Best, EfrÃ©n del Valle ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versiÃ³n GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y mÃ¡s... http://messenger.yahoo.es

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Painkiller recommendations
by Eugene M. 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Would "Talisman" be a good introduction to Painkiller? I'm not sure I want to grab the complete set yet, and I'd like to hear some first. $15 is a smaller investment, so what do you think? - Gene Mayes

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Vision Club Series / VisionFestival.ORG re-launch
by Peter Gannushkin 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

Hello All, Looking at the conversation about Brotzmann and Drake, I realized that the announcement of the new Vision Club Series and the new web site for Arts for Art's Vision Festival was never made. So here it is. ______ I'm proud to announce that a brand new site for the Arts for Art's Vision Festival was launched last week. VisionFestival.ORG was completely redesigned and restructured. In the next several months the festival's archive, key artist's home pages, news subscription and other features will be added. The launch of the site was timed to the beginning of the new Vision Club Series. Vision Club Series @ St. Nicholas of Myra Church (10th Street and Avenue A) started on February 21 with Milford Graves and William Parker duo. Additional schedule information is listed below: February 28: 8pm & 10pm 10 BIRTHDAY OF Little Huey Creative Music Orchestra - $15/set March 6: 8pm Joseph Jarman * Ken Yamazaki, 10pm Joe McPhee Trio X w/ guest Joe Giardullo $10/set March 13: 8pm Jason Hwang Far East Side Band, 10pm Henry Grimes with Andrew Lamb, Newman Taylor-Baker - $10/set March 20: 8pm &10pm Milford Graves drums & Peter Brotzmann sax $20/set March 27: 8&10pm Night of Improv - In varying combinations with Mark Dresser, Reggie Workman, Joe McPhee, Joseph Jarman, Karen Borca, Newman Taylor-Baker, Cooper-Moore & others April 3 8pm Perry Robinson /10pm Sonny Simmons Cosmosamatics April 10 NO SHOW April 17 8pm Bill Cole & 10pm Charles Gayle April 24 8pm Joe Morris w/ Luthor Gray, Timo Shanko /10pm TEST May 1 8pm Other Dimensions in Music 10pm David S. Ware More details @ http://visionfestival.org/ -- All the best, Peter Gannushkin URL: http://downtownmusic.net/

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Brotzmann Tentet Tour
by carbuncle＠mail.utexas.edu 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

There are only 3 stops on the 2004 Brotzmann Tentet US Tour Athens, GA; New Orleans, LA; and Austin, TX. The Thing with Joe McPhee will make their first US appearances in Athens, Austin, Houston and San Antonio. More details to follow...

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RE: Lombardo in Cremaster 2
by ahorton 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

>"Cremaster 2" is showing in a local cinema soon. Is it worth seeing? How >much does Lombardo appear? Lombardo's in one scene, appearing for several minutes. "Cremaster 2" is actually my favorite of the cycle, with the best music and wonderful eye-candy. andrew

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Lombardo in Cremaster 2
by Arthur Gadney 24 Feb '04

24 Feb '04

"Cremaster 2" is showing in a local cinema soon. Is it worth seeing? How much does Lombardo appear? _________________________________________________________________ Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations. http://special.msn.com/local/hotdestinations.armx

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ZORN's baseball; my baseball; your baseball maybe... (version'04)
by Rick Lopez 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

Game Pieces. Right. Anyone out there interested in the imaginary landscapes of baseball? Opening day coming up, just wondering, just trying to stay zen-DISTRACT-ed... (root canals, arthroscopic knee surgery, bulging discs...) Yahoo Fantasy Leagues I started need team owners. Owners who can read and write the language and whose main response is NOT "whatever"... Respond off-list if you wish. The leagues are these::: Pafko-at-the-Wall.2 --6x6 ID # 12138 password: SamJethroe LIVE DRAFT: Sun Mar 7 12:00pm EST The Archie Graham Moonlighters --6x6 ID # 12712 password: FreeShoelessJoe LIVE DRAFT: Wed Mar 10 7:00pm EST High Heat --10x Pitching Only! ID# 98285 password: DrK LIVE DRAFT: Sat Mar 13 10:00am EST Thanks for listening, RL ----- http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k = Music research, etc... CRISPELL; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; SPEARMAN; D.S. WARE; Courvoisier; Eneidi; Ibarra; Maneri; Morris; Shipp Samuel Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; LUCILLE-- a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; ... ETC. founding member, CECIL TAYLOR RESEARCH GROUP: CT Sessionography: http://www.webmutations.com/ceciltaylor/

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