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Re: Hemophiliac in SF Guardian
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Matthew Garrington said: >I tend to like it when out musicians play in music anyways. The >avant-garde seem to bring really subtle, but lush >qualities to more popular forms of music. I THINK >that's why I tend to like Zorn's The Gift, Trey >Spruance's Book M, Carla's Two Foot Yard, or Marc >Ribot's Los Cubanos Postizos. albums. There's just >some sort of shine that these musicians have in the >way they're approaching indo-pakistani, exotica, >folk, or latin music that other artists don't have. >I'm not saying that they are the best at that genre, >just that there is a subtly different estetic approach >that is enjoyable. It seems to be some sort of >undeclared movement within the avant-garde (for lack >of a better adjective) community. > This ties in exactly with a gig I went to last week. Alex Ward and John Bisset - guys who you'd expect to see playing with Derek Bailey or Simon H Fell - playing in a surf guitar quartet with the drummer out of the Kenny Process Team. They played all original material and were absolutely brilliant. They go by the name of Pocket. http://www.2-13.co.uk/ >[Oh yeah . ..the pricing on the Hemophiliac show has >more to do with the venue than it does the band. Thanks for clarifying. Alastair -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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Hemophilliac/Noise/Collections
by jay 7 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Not so much an 'irritated Bungle or FNM fan', but I must be the 'silly little Patton head', as I've an (almost) complete collection of his released works. I don't pretend to adore every project and collaboration. I certainly don't feel an obsessive anorak, and see it more as a hobby. There are more than a few stamp and model railway collectors who probably feel the same way! Not so long since, I followed a thread on this list where members told of their unopened cd's. Am I on the wrong list? No, Patton has directly introduced me to all sorts of fantastic music, including the exciting avant garde scene. What narks me is the pompous remarks made by those who scoff and think their taste more refined. Jay Errrr.....Alistair, I want your Hemophilliac cd.

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Re: Hemophiliac in SF Guardian
by Matthew Garrington 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

I'm with Efren that Hemophiliac is a good album. I don't like "Wierd Little Boy" though. I'm not sure what it is though. I think that's what makes free improv so hard. There are fewer boundries, lines, definitions, et al. about what makes the music good. It seems to be more of an intrinsic quality that, to me anyways, is extremely hard to define compared to more established forms of music (and yes, I agree, there's been a lot of improv but it is not as developed of a field as other "genres") Certainly, I think Trey had a lot of great things to say about improv music and noise. I tend to like it when "out" musicians play "in" music anyways. The avant-garde seem to bring really subtle, but lush qualities to more popular forms of music. I THINK that's why I tend to like Zorn's "The Gift," Trey Spruance's "Book M," Carla's "Two Foot Yard," or Marc Ribot's Los Cubanos Postizos. albums. There's just some sort of shine that these musicians have in the way they're approaching indo-pakistani, "exotica," folk, or latin music that other artists don't have. I'm not saying that they are the best at that genre, just that there is a subtly different estetic approach that is enjoyable. It seems to be some sort of undeclared movement within the avant-garde (for lack of a better adjective) community. [Oh yeah . ..the pricing on the Hemophiliac show has more to do with the venue than it does the band. The Boulder Theater is just trying to make there money back on the show (to cover the large artist fees). Zorn/Patton/Mori don't have anything to do with "Gold Circle" . . .for better or for worse. . .that theater always has reserved seating up front that is more expensive and called "Gold Circle." Great venue though, even if the price is a bit steep (note that our Frith show that we personally produced was under $15 . .way cheaper than NYC)] --- zorn-list-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:47:17 +0000 (GMT) > From: alastair(a)pretentious.co.uk > Subject: Re: Hemophiliac in SF Guardian > To: efrendv(a)yahoo.es, zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > <73905.1077716837216.JavaMail.root(a)172.16.100.50> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Efren wrote: > > >So anybody who enjoys something you dislike is > silly > >or what? > > Err..what. I used the phrase "silly Patton-head" to > describe those who feel they have to have everything > by the man and will pay ridiculous prices on E-Bay > for stuff. I didn't suggest that anyone who likes it > is silly. Our views on the content differ quite > strongly, but there you go. I don't feel that > they're breaking any new ground at all, and the > ridiculous prices quoted by another lister for their > live shows (something about super deluxe VIP seats > or some such? "Golden Circle"?) makes me wonder how > sincere the project is. > > I used to be a "silly Zorn-head", but realised I > couldn't afford it all and that he releases the odd > duff record. All in all, I think he's still got a > very high average. I did buy" Weird Little Boy" > though, and don't feel the need to ever listen to it > again. Seeing as our tastes seem to differ, perhaps > you have something you can trade me for it... > > Alastair ===== _____________________________________________________________"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither safety nor liberty." - Benjamin Franklin____________________________________________________________

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Terry Gibbs's jewish jazz on verve
by ahleucha ahleucha 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Hi, people of the list! First of all, thanks for the comments on Duke Ellington and movie music. I forgot to mention one of my all-time favs : George Delerue's Contempt and Shoot the piano player. I have another question now. Has anybody listened to some of the new reedited from lp cds on verve? Any comments on that beside Albert Ayler's Music is the healing force of the universe? And what about Terry Gibbs plays jewish melodies? Is it good? I'm curious about it, since in the reedition they talk about one of the first experiments crossing klezmer and jazz. Is it a good result? Thanks, Rafael NP - David S Ware - Godspelized Lounge Lizards - Big heart live in Tokyo Tony Williams - Life Time Borah Bergman . Meditations for piano (This is a mix of cds i'm listening a lot lately, trying to show the tastes of a newbie on writing in the list) --------------------------------- Antivirus #8226; Filtros antispam #8226; 6 MB gratis Â¿TodavÃa no tienes un correo inteligente?

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Fantomas tour dates?
by Jorge Gallegos 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Recall someone mentioning something on the list about a Fantomas/Melt Banana show being booked in Atlanta early April. Anyone has any further information about a Fantomas tour? Already checked the Ipecac website, but nothing in there. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want.

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Hemophiliac in SF Guardian
by ripleyjames＠comcast.net 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

I thought some people might be interested here in this over-cranky write up for tonight's Hemophiliac appearance in San Francisco. ----------------------------------------------------- Bad blood It must be a source of endless frustration for the starving artists of the noise and free-improvisation scenes, who often have trouble moving a few hundred units of their latest proud creation, to see an all-star side project like John Zorn, Mike Patton, and Ikue Mori's Hemophiliac effortlessly sell out a few thousand copies of an Internet-only CD priced at 45 bucks no less. The real knee-slapper is this overpriced CD (self-titled, and released in 2002 through Zorn's label, Tzadik) isn't even any good it sounds like something you'd yawn and fidget through on improv night at the local art-gallery storefront. So why would anyone recommend seeing this trio live? Morbid curiosity? A celebrities-at-their-worst-style fascination with public failure? Or the slim hope these talented cult icons reach beyond the Knitting Factory improv clichés and smarmy laptop computer gimmicks that characterize so much of the CD? Cross your fingers. 8 p.m., Slim's, 333 Folsom, S.F. $20. (415) 255-0333. (Will York) -------------------------------------

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Sun City Girls Recommendations
by Efrén del Valle 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Hi, I think this has been asked about before but in my irremediable appetite for bankrupcy, I'd like to listen to some stuff from the SCG's enormous discography. I know that most of their stuff is Oop or quite hard-to-get. What's the best place to start, limited to available cds? (no lps please!) Also, in which albums is Eyvind Kang collaborating with the SCG? Are these available? Thanks a lot in advance. Best, EfrÃ©n del Valle ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versiÃ³n GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y mÃ¡s... http://messenger.yahoo.es

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Re: Hemophiliac in SF Guardian
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Efren wrote: >So anybody who enjoys something you dislike is silly >or what? Err..what. I used the phrase "silly Patton-head" to describe those who feel they have to have everything by the man and will pay ridiculous prices on E-Bay for stuff. I didn't suggest that anyone who likes it is silly. Our views on the content differ quite strongly, but there you go. I don't feel that they're breaking any new ground at all, and the ridiculous prices quoted by another lister for their live shows (something about super deluxe VIP seats or some such? "Golden Circle"?) makes me wonder how sincere the project is. I used to be a "silly Zorn-head", but realised I couldn't afford it all and that he releases the odd duff record. All in all, I think he's still got a very high average. I did buy" Weird Little Boy" though, and don't feel the need to ever listen to it again. Seeing as our tastes seem to differ, perhaps you have something you can trade me for it... Alastair -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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Re: Hemophiliac in SF Guardian
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

Hey, I'm with Will York on this (isn't he a member of this very list?). Looking forward to Ebaying it at some point in the future to some silly Patton-head, Alastair -----Original Message----- >From : ripleyjames(a)comcast.net To : zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com Date : 25 February 2004 01:00:55 Subject : Hemophiliac in SF Guardian I thought some people might be interested here in this over-cranky write up >for tonight's >Hemophiliac appearance in San Francisco. > >----------------------------------------------------- > >Bad blood > >It must be a source of endless frustration for the starving artists of the >noise and free-improvisation scenes, who often have trouble moving a few >hundred units of their latest proud creation, to see an all-star side >project like John Zorn, Mike Patton, and Ikue Mori's Hemophiliac >effortlessly sell out a few thousand copies of an Internet-only CD ý priced >at 45 bucks no less. The real knee-slapper is this overpriced CD >(self-titled, and released in 2002 through Zorn's label, Tzadik) isn't even >any good ý it sounds like something you'd yawn and fidget through on improv >night at the local art-gallery storefront. So why would anyone recommend >seeing this trio live? Morbid curiosity? A celebrities-at-their-worst-style >fascination with public failure? Or the slim hope these talented cult icons >reach beyond the Knitting Factory improv clichýs and smarmy laptop computer >gimmicks that characterize so much of the CD? Cross your fingers. 8 p.m., >Slim's, 333 Folsom, S.F. $20. (415) 255-0333. (Will York) > >------------------------------------- > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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Re: Brotzmann Tentet Tour
by Stuart Boyer 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

ARRRGGGHHH !! Nothing in Detroit or Ann Arbor MI ? I would drive to Cleveland But I'm going to see Dylan in Chicago on March 5th. Maybe next time . Thanks, stu "William W. Schonbein" <wwschonb(a)artsci.wustl.edu> Sent by: To: carbuncle(a)mail.utexas.edu zorn-list-bounces+boyerst=kellyservices.com(a)mailman.x cc: zorn list <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> mission.com Subject: Re: Brotzmann Tentet Tour 02/24/2004 10:55 PM Here are Brotzmann dates for the US Northeast, cut and pasted from www.eremite.com (Sorry if this is a repost) brötzmann 2004 east coast concerts wednesday, 3 march, 8:00 pm, wash dc brötzmann/h. drake/w. parker trio twins jazz 1344 u. st. nw www.twinsjazz.com (202) 234-0072 thursday, 4 march, 10:00 & 12:00 pm, nyc b/d/p trio tonic 107 norfolk st. tonic(a)tonicnyc.com (212)358-7501 friday, 5 march, 8:00 pm, northampton b/d/p trio sweeney concert hall, smith college $10 general/$5 students & seniors www.smith.edu/smitharts (413)585-arts saturday, 6 march, 8:00 pm, boston b/d/p trio institute of contemporary arts theater 955 boylston st. bcma(a)improvisedcommunications.com (617)354-6898 monday, 8 march, 8:00 pm, buffalo b/d/p trio hallwalls contemporary arts center 2495 main st., suite 425 hallwall(a)pce.net (716)835-7362 tuesday, 9 march, 8:00 pm, cleveland brötzmann/drake duo beachland ballroom tavern 15711 waterloo rd. beachlandballroom.com thursday, 11 march, 8:00 pm, buffalo brötzmann solo & brötzmann/drake duo hallwalls friday, 12 march, 8:00 pm, buffalo j. mcphee solo & drake/mcphee duo hallwalls saturday, 13 march, 8:00 pm, buffalo brötzmann/mcphee duo & brötzmann/mcphee/drake trio hallwalls sunday, 14 march, 8:00 pm, syracuse brötzmann/drake duo westcott community center 826 euclid ave http://home.twcny.rr.com/newthing (315)478-8634 monday, 15 march, 8:00, rochester brötzmann/drake duo milestones music room 170 east ave www.bopshop.com saturday, 20 march, 8:00 & 10:00 pm, nyc brötzmann/m. graves duo st. nicholas of myra 10th st/ave a www.visionfestival.org On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 carbuncle(a)mail.utexas.edu wrote: > There are only 3 stops on the 2004 Brotzmann Tentet US Tour > Athens, GA; New Orleans, LA; and Austin, TX. > > The Thing with Joe McPhee will make their first US appearances in Athens, > Austin, Houston and San Antonio. More details to follow... > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Whit Schonbein http://artsci.wustl.edu/~wwschonb/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list

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