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by Tom Jenkins 24 Apr '08

24 Apr '08

M owners: I hope this is not too far off topic, but my reefing discussion with Tim inspires me to put in a plug for trailer sailing north of the U.S. border. The Portland "Canal" I had in mind is a fjord reaching the coast near Prince Rupert B.C. that runs almost 144 km NE to the twin border towns of Stewart B.C./Hyder Alaska. The Canal is only a couple of kilometers wide, and carries the meltwater of numerous big glaciers. The winds are fluky like lake winds, but the sailing is good, and you can carry a pot or two to get fresh Dungeness crab for dinner. The scenery is of course spectacular, and you can kiss a Grizzly if you like. We took our rig on the ferry to Vancouver Island, drove north, then ferried up part of the Inland Passage to Prince Rupert. From there it is an easy drive through the mountains to the Canal, and you can hit some great sailing lakes on the interior drive back to the U.S. (or north toward Alaska, if you like). A trip you will not forget, for sure. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla

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Boarding ladder
by Bill Lamica 24 Apr '08

24 Apr '08

No Endorsement. I happened upon a solution to those of us who may not feel their boarding ladder extends far enough into the water. Bill http://www.clrmarine.com/466.html?sm=30078

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Heavy Weather Jibs
by James Poulakis 24 Apr '08

24 Apr '08

Thanks for the replies Bert and Tim. I haven't found a button or link to reply to a specific thread, hence the new heading (I'm using Safari if that makes any difference). Tim, You gave me a good feel for what to expect in an M-17 as the winds build. Although the original choices were a storm jib, a #4, or both, I'm now considering a reefable 80%. Tim, if you're getting by in 30 knot winds with the working jib (which is ~ 75 sq ft at ~110%) then it seems like an 80% (50 sq ft) would be very useful. Although we SF Bay sailors like to blather on about our 30+ knot winds, the truth is that it's more often in the low to mid 20's - and typically doesn't build up to that until 2:00 pm. So from your description it seems like an 80% would see a lot of use. With the reef points it could still be shortened down to credible storm jib. Yes, changing the clew on a reefing jib is a hassle - The technique I've used in the past requires an autopilot and a temporary sheet with a carabiner - but that's for another thread. Bert, Sailmakers are a great source of advice and I've talked to a few. Here's what they indicate for M-17 heavy weather jibs: Storm jib: 24 ft^2 (one sailmaker said that an M-17 storm jib was about 50% J) 70%: 35 ft^2 80%: 50 ft^2 The lowest (boatshow) price for a storm jib was $184 for a 7.03oz dacron sail from Hogin Sails www.hoginsails.com As an aside, I was told by a well meaning-representative of Pinapple Sails that people in 17'ers had no need for storm jibs. According to her, storm jibs were only for world travelers who needed to claw off lee shores in 50 knot winds. Small boat sailors NEVER faced these conditions. Uhh, well... Lemme tell y'all about my first attempt to round point Lopez in my 27' Albin back in '90... Thanks again guys, Jim Poulakis "Spirit" M-17 #648

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Brochures
by Bill Lamica 24 Apr '08

24 Apr '08

One more brochure... NorCal M15 owner, George Morrison, sent me an M17 flyer/fact sheet. Go to: http://www.msogphotosite.com/WhasNew.html Clink on the links and you'll get the PDF's Bill

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Brochures added
by Bill Lamica 23 Apr '08

23 Apr '08

Received a couple of new brochures from Graham England, in PDF format and published them just a few minutes ago. Also a new M10 posted a little while back. Start at the What's new page: http://www.msogphotosite.com/WhasNew.html Bill

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New teak for Monty 17?
by Rodney Holland 23 Apr '08

23 Apr '08

Do any of you owners know whether it is possible to order new exterior teak replacement pieces for a 1977 17 from Montgomery boats? Would these pieces be standard enough year to year that I could be confident they would fit the same screw holes, etc? Im cursed with the love of properly cared for and varnished bright work and want to have that on our new boat(named it Texas Doghouse, maybe Ill share that story one evening with you). The teak that is there is in really bad shape, and to properly do the hand rails, they will have to be sanded down so much that I dont think they could be trusted for their original purpose. They are already way too thin and need probably an eighth of an inch of sanding to get them smooth in some places. Again, I dont know how standard these things are, but mine has the rails, the companionway hatches, the pieces on each side and bottom of the companionway opening, and there 3 or 4 strips along the top of the sliding hatch that would dress things up nicely if replaced. I think thats it. Anyone think I can get this done? Rodney Holland rodh(a)earthlink.net EarthLink Revolves Around You.

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New to the Group
by Joe Murphy 22 Apr '08

22 Apr '08

Greetings, I have just joined your group. I have longed enjoyed the design and works of Lyle Hess. I attended the Lyle Hess Rendevous at Vera's Landing a couple of years back. In addition to the Bristol Channel Cutters, Falmouth Cutters, and NorSea 27's, there was a great representation of M15 and M17's. I had the opportunity to meet Bob Eeg and a year later met him again right after that miserable rainy Annapolis Boat show. I live on Bogue Sound, just down from Beaufort NC. What is it they say? "a nice little drinking community with a boating habit..." I currently own a NorSea 27 that I am in the process of selling. But I'm not here to make a sales pitch. I have found that this area has some limitations on sailing..... 3-4 feet of water. So, without boring you with the rest of the reasons, I am now looking at the M-17 as my next sailboat. I was wondering if there is anyone here that is close to this area that has a M-17 that would like to show it off. I have printed off just about everything I can find about this marvelous craft, but I would like to see one up and personal. Thanks. I look forward to more discussions in the near future.... hopefully as an owner. Regards and fair winds. Joe ps It was pretty cool to call the number at Montgomery Boats and have Bob answer the phone. jm

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Re: M_Boats: New to the Group
by TOMMYVAL＠aol.com 22 Apr '08

22 Apr '08

Vera died in January, he must be a heck of a guy!! Gary Valetti M 17 Bellerin **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

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storm jib size
by Flickasf＠aol.com 22 Apr '08

22 Apr '08

You might consider checking with a sail maker before ordering a storm jib so that you have the correct size. The M 15 has a storm jib of 18.5 square feet, and my previous M 15 had one of 21 square feet. My 6000 pound Flicka has one of 30 square feet. (This is from a drawing of the vessel from the builder.) Bert Felton M 15, #365 Zephyr ************** Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

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Stormy or #4?
by James Poulakis 21 Apr '08

21 Apr '08

As many of you know, summer winds in San Francisco Bay are regularly over 30 knots. Since Spirit is equipped with only a main and working jib, it’s time to visit the sailmaker. My instinct on a boat this size is to go from the working jib straight down to a (24 sq ft.) storm jib. An 80% #4 runs around 50 sq ft., but is this realistically enough of a reduction from the working jib? Please choose one of the following: A) Just get the storm jib. Boatspeed won’t suffer that much and you’ll have fewer gray hairs. B) Get both. You’ll usually be ok with the #4 but there will be days when you’ll need the stormy. C) You’re a pantywaist Jim. Just get the #4 and Man Up. (I’m really trying to stay away from roller furlers.) Thanks Guys, Jim Poulakis “Spirit” (M-17 #648)

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