April 2008 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: Comfort and Joy
by bownez＠juno.com 27 Apr '08

27 Apr '08

Joe, RE: Sleeping in the starboard berth. I have never tried it, and my body has a narrow beam! I have that place reserved for my cooler and big box of dry goods when out for a week's sail. I think a youngster would be OK. I don't fit that category! I want you to have a M17. Bones _____________________________________________________________ Become a Graphic Designer and earn up to $150/ hour. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oLKlbC4YpXH5olFoPL5XZCxK…

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Re: M_Boats: Raven
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 27 Apr '08

27 Apr '08

Great Job! I know at least two other guys who like 'haze grey' boats, one of my favorite colors, classy. Rick - did you spray the deck with gelcoat? I am not clear, and the topsides are now grey, are they gel also? I have done 1/2 of a C-25 topsides including cove and bootstripe 'out of the mold' in gelcaot, a BIG job to say the least. That is one ambitious undertaking - but it paid off handsomely! If you are bored I have a 'little' M-17 here that needs just topsides done in grey ..... I'll buy the beer. LOL Beautiful work. Keep it up. Glad to see that boat get 'saved'. GO M-17 # 316a LB/GF! **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

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Raven
by Bill Lamica 27 Apr '08

27 Apr '08

Hi All, A couple of weeks ago it was mentioned Rick Agrella has finished with many of the intended projects on M23 Raven, and would have photos soon. Just finished with adding some great shots. Following is the link to Raven's Album. http://www.msogphotosite.com/M23Raven1.html

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Re: M_Boats: My M-17...Bottom painting, general refurbishing
by Michael Ray Wisely 27 Apr '08

27 Apr '08

Dear Montgomery Group, I have recently bought a 1984 M-17 (Hull #384, Does anyone know this boat?) which my 5 year old daughter Olivia has named "MEG" and we will call "THE MEG". We put her in the water right after we got her and were really surprised by her stability, comfort and performance. I did a lot of research for a boat that we could trailer that would also be safe on the wild and challenging San Francisco Bay and feel like I made the right choice. Really a great sailing boat, excellent upwind and on a reach, a "real" boat in a tiny package. That being said, We (My wife Wendy and I) are really particular about care and maintenance and creating a ship-shape vessel so I am turning to you for advice. The boat is in good shape, but in need of all the fittings re-bedded, buffing out, the CB treatment/pin replacement, etc., electrical refit...trailer bunk boards, bottom coating,etc,etc,etc... pretty much a going over of most systems. My wife and I lived on and took care of a 44 classic woody for 12 years in the 80's and 90's, so we are not newbie's, but the glass, gelcoat stuff is a little foreign to me. I'm fairy proficient with west systems and process oriented applications and prep work, however, I am short on knowledge about fiberglass other than what I've read. We need some direction on a series of issues and will continue to read post historical and otherwise until I figure it out. Our first priority will be stripping the bottom. It has a paint on it now, but I have no idea what kind. I'm pretty sure it's not ablative as I am familiar with that type. The paint is off in spots about the size of a pencil eraser in a shotgun blast type pattern. If I look close it looks like the areas where the paint has come off are raised slightly, but not exactly round in shape. My first feeling was...oh no, the pox. But I have seen gelcoat blisters in other boats and they are usually not this small or close together. So I am confused. Maybe they are nothing, but I wanted to ask if anyone else had experienced this. I need to get this paint off...Sand the hull and do the epoxy barrier system as I want to put it in salt water for 6 months out of the year and not worry about osmosis. I've heard several of you write about the interlux system, but none have said if you can put it right over the gelcoat. Finally...Here are my first 4 (or so) questions. 1. Has anyone experienced the rough hull that I describe above? 2. The straight dope on removing any type of bottom paint without hurting the gelcoat. 3. Do I need to worry about blisters on a Monty? If so, How do you prep for the interlux barrier coat process?...do you rough up the gelcoat and apply it directly over (the gelcoat)? ...OR? 4. Is Boatlife still the best bedding compound/caulk for bedding wood handrails, and other fittings? Or is their something better out there these days. I will stop at these questions right now as I've gone on way too long as it is. Thank you for sticking with me...(if you have) and we would appreciate any experienced advice you may have. (notice that I said "experienced"...that should tell you that we have been boaters for many years and have spent many hours on a dock and in a yard) Sincere thanks for your time and wisdom...and there will be more questions to come as we dig in to make this Monty shine. Thanks, Michael Ray, Wendy, and Olivia of "Meg" San Francisco Bay, CA

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Re: M_Boats: Subject: Hatches "Joe"
by Michael Ray Wisely 27 Apr '08

27 Apr '08

On 4/26/08 7:20 PM, "montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Subject: M_Boats: Hatches Hi Joe, I was puzzled by that as well, however, I'm sure one of the reasons would become apparent if you were motoring or sailing in chop and nosed into a swell. Water over the bow would keep the hatch down in it's current configuration (if it was to come unlatched or left open) , but not so much if it opened forward. Imagine the water intake in such a situation. Yikes! On vessels with more foredeck between the bow and a forward hatch, it's probably not so much of an issue. Come to think of it, I believe the Chris Craft 32' that I owned many years ago had a rear facing hatch as well...hmmm. My "unlearned, non-sailboat designing" opinion. Michael Ray

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Wanted M17
by Ben Smith 27 Apr '08

27 Apr '08

Do you live in New England? Will you please sell me your Montgomery? Please? ---------------------------------------- > From: montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 62, Issue 27 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:46:59 -0600 > > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Hatches (Gary M Hyde) > 2. Re: Hatches (Gary M Hyde) > 3. Re: Hatches (GILASAILR(a)aol.com) > 4. Rope Halyard (John Gonzalez) > 5. Re: M-17 sheaves or mast head fitting (Bob From California) > 6. Re: Rope Halyard (Bob From California) > 7. Re: robbin roddewig advice on bottom > painting/refurbishing...M-17 (Michael Ray Wisely) > 8. Re: Subject: Hatches "Joe" (Michael Ray Wisely) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:23:51 -0700 > From: Gary M Hyde > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Hatches > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > Well, it keeps the water out better. > --Gary > On Apr 26, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Joe Murphy wrote: >> I notice all the pictures I've seen of the M-17's have the forward >> hatch >> hinged so the hatch opens aft. Why don't they open forward so as to >> scoop >> air to circulate down below. >> >> Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 19:24:47 -0700 > From: Gary M Hyde > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Hatches > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > And it stays shut when trailering and you forgot to lock it down. > --Gary > On Apr 26, 2008, at 6:10 PM, Joe Murphy wrote: >> I notice all the pictures I've seen of the M-17's have the forward >> hatch >> hinged so the hatch opens aft. Why don't they open forward so as to >> scoop >> air to circulate down below. >> >> Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:50:58 EDT > From: GILASAILR(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Hatches > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > And it doesn't "blow" air into your cabin - it pulls it out- much friendlier > action esp when it is 'breezy'. > GO > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:00:06 -0700 > From: "John Gonzalez" > Subject: M_Boats: Rope Halyard > To: > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Robbin, I switched from a wire/rope main halyard to a rope main halyard > a few years ago -- as I have led my lines aft -- and have no complaints > whatsoever. > > Sincerely, > John > M-15 624, Bella > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:07:06 +0000 > From: Bob From California > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M-17 sheaves or mast head fitting > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Robbin... > > I have a box full of those custom sheaves. (if you have the stock masthead from > > the old days). Give me a call on Monday and I will send you some. These are for the > > 1/8th inch wire halyard. In order to use all rope, you're going to have to widen the groove > > for the rope. We use all rope these days. What I did was install a 1/4 inch bolt with nut > > in the center and chuck the bolt into a high speed drill press (vertical lathe...). Then > > just held a series of files and sand paper to widen the groove to accomodate the rope. > > Now days we use the dwyer masthead for the DM-6 mast; it's already set up for rope. > > (part number DH-106) > > Fair winds > Bob Eeg > (949) 489-8227 > > > > > > > >> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:05:30 -0400> From: robbin.roddewig(a)verizon.net> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: M-17 sheaves or mast head fitting>> One of my sheaves (the wheels for the halyards) is broken. I have not> been successful finding a replacement from the selections at West Marine> or Dwyer. Has anyone replaced these or has anyone bought a new mast> head for the M-17? I saw that there was a recommendation of Dwyer DM-4> for the M-15 but not similar recommended mast tube size for the 17.> I am also trying to replace the wire halyards with rope halyards since I> am leading these back to the cockpit. Is anyone using rope halyards?>> Thanks in advance,> Robbin>>>>> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:16:34 +0000 > From: Bob From California > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rope Halyard > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > Hi John..! > > Hows Bella...?.....I did the same thing on the M_15s. We now use all rope. What we do now > > is punch out the pins for the masthead sheaves; install the rope halyards and replace the pins > > with stainless 1/4 inch bolts and aircraft locknuts. Those old style pins have a way of working loose. > > We're now shipping new M_15s and M_17s with all rope halyards that are long enough to set > > up a lines aft system for singlehanding. If the new owner wants to work his rig at the base of the > > mast, then he can simply cut the line shorter. Also we are installing a turnbuckle on the headstay > > for the 15s as standard. More and more people are using the CDI furler and this saves having to > > obtain a new headstay with turnbuckle..etc....A bonus is you can get the rig tighter as well. > > Hope all is well down in San Diego... > > Fair winds > Bob Eeg > (949) 489-8227 > > > > >> Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 20:00:06 -0700> From: jgonzalez(a)usgimedical.com> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Rope Halyard>> Robbin, I switched from a wire/rope main halyard to a rope main halyard> a few years ago -- as I have led my lines aft -- and have no complaints> whatsoever.>> Sincerely,> John> M-15 624, Bella> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:32:06 -0700 > From: Michael Ray Wisely > Subject: Re: M_Boats: robbin roddewig advice on bottom > painting/refurbishing...M-17 > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > On 4/26/08 7:20 PM, "montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com" > wrote: > >> robbin roddewig > > > Thanks for the advice Robbin, > > I will take all of the advice I've been given and put it to the test so I > can possibly give out my experience at some future date. This is really a > great list with many generous people on it. > > It isn't too late btw, I have not even touched the boat as I've been too > busy with work. I'm afraid by the time I do, it will be the summer wind > season on the SF Bay and that limits the days you can go out because of tide > timing and such. Now if I just had a flexible furler with a genoa I might > be able to tackle it single handed. My family will not go out in a blow. > (and I don't blame them really, it can get really nasty out there for a > small boat on a summer afternoon.) > > I read somewhere on the list about painting inside the centerboard trunk > with some of the thin rollers they sell. I've seen them at Home Depot. > > If you have pictures of your process, send me a link. > > > And let me ask you a couple of CB questions since you are in the middle of > it. > > 1. Which way to the CB pins drive out and what is the process? > > 2. What do you use to secure them back in? > > 3. Are there any trouble spots in these two task to keep in mind? > > > Thanks for your message. It is much appreciated. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2008 21:46:55 -0700 > From: Michael Ray Wisely > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Subject: Hatches "Joe" > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > On 4/26/08 7:20 PM, "montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com" > wrote: > >> Subject: M_Boats: Hatches > Hi Joe, > > I was puzzled by that as well, however, I'm sure one of the reasons would > become apparent if you were motoring or sailing in chop and nosed into a > swell. Water over the bow would keep the hatch down in it's current > configuration (if it was to come unlatched or left open) , but not so much > if it opened forward. Imagine the water intake in such a situation. Yikes! > > On vessels with more foredeck between the bow and a forward hatch, it's > probably not so much of an issue. Come to think of it, I believe the Chris > Craft 32' that I owned many years ago had a rear facing hatch as > well...hmmm. > > My "unlearned, non-sailboat designing" opinion. > > Michael Ray > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 62, Issue 27 > ************************************************ _________________________________________________________________ Back to work after baby–how do you know when you’re ready? http://lifestyle.msn.com/familyandparenting/articleNW.aspx?cp-documentid=57…

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Rope Halyard
by John Gonzalez 26 Apr '08

26 Apr '08

Robbin, I switched from a wire/rope main halyard to a rope main halyard a few years ago -- as I have led my lines aft -- and have no complaints whatsoever. Sincerely, John M-15 624, Bella

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Re: M_Boats: Hatches
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 26 Apr '08

26 Apr '08

And it doesn't "blow" air into your cabin - it pulls it out- much friendlier action esp when it is 'breezy'. GO **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851)

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reefing
by Tom Jenkins 26 Apr '08

26 Apr '08

Hello M17 sailors, The main on my 2004 M17 came with a single set of reef points, but I am not shy about have a second set installed if they are likely to come in handy. Has anyone out there needed to double reef, with or without a storm jib? As always, I prefer to learn from the experiences of others, rather than finding out the hard way. Thanks in advance for any comments. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla

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anybody in So Cal/ Van Nuys area going sailing tomorrow?
by kdocter＠bellsouth.net 25 Apr '08

25 Apr '08

My boss and I are holed up in a hotel in Van Nuys thru Sunday morning. Anybody going out Saturday that has room for two bodies? I haven't sailed in 10 years and it would be nice to go with someone who has a 15 or 17. While I was here I picked up a new centerboard from Bob in Ontario and I got to see the Monty factory. The previous owner had somehow managed to break it off. Bob's guess was that dropping it into the water without a stop knot may have caused it to stress crack there over time. I'm not sure that was it. Any thoughts on that? Anybody else lost one before? We had extra room and weight on the jet so I decided to save the $90 shipping to Lousiana and pick it up myself. We have not sailed her yet. I hope to go out Monday when we get home from So Cal. She has been out of the water for 27 years. It took 16 months to get clear title and registration, but now we have it! I hope to enlist Bill's help in adding pics to the website. I gotta get her wet first though! Kendall M-15 #164 "Vaya Con Dios"

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