I'm very fond of Butcher's Dresden series! But one of the things that I particularly like about it is the Grand Arc: It's gradually telling a very large story. Also, Dresden (the character) changes in a way that Garrett doesn't: we see Dresden progress from a down-and-out starting-his-career stage to one of the most powerful people around (with a thumb in every supernatural machination). The story-telling improves after the first two or three. I suggest giving it more of a try. Stacey =========================================== Stacey Harris Professor, Department of Mathematics & Statistics Saint Louis University (314) 977-2439, Ritter 211 she/her/hers personal page<https://sites.google.com/a/slu.edu/steve-harris-home/home> ________________________________ From: Jerry Kalayjian via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2024 8:42 PM To: glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: jkalayjian@yahoo.com <jkalayjian@yahoo.com> Subject: [External] [Glencook-fans] Butcher v. Cook CAUTION: This email is from an external source. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. When in doubt, please report the email to SLUAware by clicking on the three dots within your email and choosing Report To SLUAware. At some point Jim Butcher's Dresden Files were recommended if one liked Garrett (who doesn't?) It took me a few years but I'm halfway through the first Dresden book, and while pretty good, I'd take Garrett/Cook over Dresden/Butcher every time. Am I missing something? Jerry Kalayjian
Garrett is a normal PI in a magical world. Dresden is a magical PI in a normal world. The genres are similar but nit the same. But the Dresden Files are very good. Five a couple of books to get its legs. There's a real tone shift as of Changes. That might be a goid stopping point forva lot of people. The short story collections are good, but contain Spoilers for the novels. -Matt C. On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:51 PM, Jerry Kalayjian via glencook-fans<glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: At some point Jim Butcher's Dresden Files were recommended if one liked Garrett (who doesn't?) It took me a few years but I'm halfway through the first Dresden book, and while pretty good, I'd take Garrett/Cook over Dresden/Butcher every time. Am I missing something? Jerry Kalayjian _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com
Thanks for the preview. I’ll stick with Garrett. Happy Trails. Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Saturday, May 25, 2024, 8:34 AM, Matt Cutter via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Garrett is a normal PI in a magical world. Dresden is a magical PI in a normal world. The genres are similar but nit the same. But the Dresden Files are very good. Five a couple of books to get its legs. There's a real tone shift as of Changes. That might be a goid stopping point forva lot of people. The short story collections are good, but contain Spoilers for the novels. -Matt C. On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:51 PM, Jerry Kalayjian via glencook-fans<glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: At some point Jim Butcher's Dresden Files were recommended if one liked Garrett (who doesn't?) It took me a few years but I'm halfway through the first Dresden book, and while pretty good, I'd take Garrett/Cook over Dresden/Butcher every time. Am I missing something? Jerry Kalayjian _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com
Note that the Dresden Files is a good series. Givevit a shot and make your own choice. On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 9:00 AM, saulamca@aol.com<saulamca@aol.com> wrote: Thanks for the preview. I’ll stick with Garrett. Happy Trails. Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Saturday, May 25, 2024, 8:34 AM, Matt Cutter via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Garrett is a normal PI in a magical world. Dresden is a magical PI in a normal world. The genres are similar but nit the same. But the Dresden Files are very good. Five a couple of books to get its legs. There's a real tone shift as of Changes. That might be a goid stopping point forva lot of people. The short story collections are good, but contain Spoilers for the novels. -Matt C. On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:51 PM, Jerry Kalayjian via glencook-fans<glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: At some point Jim Butcher's Dresden Files were recommended if one liked Garrett (who doesn't?) It took me a few years but I'm halfway through the first Dresden book, and while pretty good, I'd take Garrett/Cook over Dresden/Butcher every time. Am I missing something? Jerry Kalayjian _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com
DF is excellent. It ramps up in quality and complexity as it goes. It starts getting really good at book 4. The Eddie LaCrosse books by Alex Bledsoe are another great example of an investigator in a fantasy world, but they're a little darker and more travelling adventurer than city boy. If anyone is looking for a readalike for Black Company, try the First Law Trilogy by Joe Abercrombie (The Blade Itself, Before They Are Hanged, Last Argument of Kings). It leans into the grimdark but has a similar dual focus on individual characters and world politics. On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 2:35 PM Matt Cutter via glencook-fans < glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Note that the Dresden Files is a good series. Givevit a shot and make your own choice.
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 9:00 AM, saulamca@aol.com <saulamca@aol.com> wrote: Thanks for the preview. I’ll stick with Garrett. Happy Trails.
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On Saturday, May 25, 2024, 8:34 AM, Matt Cutter via glencook-fans < glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Garrett is a normal PI in a magical world.
Dresden is a magical PI in a normal world.
The genres are similar but nit the same. But the Dresden Files are very good. Five a couple of books to get its legs.
There's a real tone shift as of Changes. That might be a goid stopping point forva lot of people.
The short story collections are good, but contain Spoilers for the novels.
-Matt C.
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:51 PM, Jerry Kalayjian via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: At some point Jim Butcher's Dresden Files were recommended if one liked Garrett (who doesn't?) It took me a few years but I'm halfway through the first Dresden book, and while pretty good, I'd take Garrett/Cook over Dresden/Butcher every time. Am I missing something?
Jerry Kalayjian
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I just can't get into Brust. He should tick all my "interested" boxes, but something about his writing rubs me the wrong way. On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 04:47:09 PM CDT, grim213 (null) <grim213@aol.com> wrote: Butcher’s enjoyable and all, but if you’re a Cook fan and you haven’t read the Malazan Book of the Fallen or Jhereg series, you had better get your priorities straight my friend! ;) Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2024, at 5:40 PM, Scott Bonner <sbonner@gmail.com> wrote: DF is excellent. It ramps up in quality and complexity as it goes. It starts getting really good at book 4. The Eddie LaCrosse books by Alex Bledsoe are another great example of an investigator in a fantasy world, but they're a little darker and more travelling adventurer than city boy. If anyone is looking for a readalike for Black Company, try the First Law Trilogy by Joe Abercrombie (The Blade Itself, Before They Are Hanged, Last Argument of Kings). It leans into the grimdark but has a similar dual focus on individual characters and world politics. On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 2:35 PM Matt Cutter via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Note that the Dresden Files is a good series. Givevit a shot and make your own choice. On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 9:00 AM, saulamca@aol.com<saulamca@aol.com> wrote: Thanks for the preview. I’ll stick with Garrett. Happy Trails. Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Saturday, May 25, 2024, 8:34 AM, Matt Cutter via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Garrett is a normal PI in a magical world. Dresden is a magical PI in a normal world. The genres are similar but nit the same. But the Dresden Files are very good. Five a couple of books to get its legs. There's a real tone shift as of Changes. That might be a goid stopping point forva lot of people. The short story collections are good, but contain Spoilers for the novels. -Matt C. On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:51 PM, Jerry Kalayjian via glencook-fans<glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: At some point Jim Butcher's Dresden Files were recommended if one liked Garrett (who doesn't?) It took me a few years but I'm halfway through the first Dresden book, and while pretty good, I'd take Garrett/Cook over Dresden/Butcher every time. Am I missing something? Jerry Kalayjian _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com -- Scott _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com
I liked Jhereg, but the next few seemed a bit too much of the same for me. The Malazan books felt the closest to The Black Company of any series I've read. The Malazan world has the layers of history in which the characters are traveling that I loved about the BC and the army uses cleverness as much as brawn when fighting. I'll have to give Dresden another chance since I think I only finished the first two when I tried them long ago. I haven't tried Abercrombie or Bledsoe, but I'm always looking for new options. Steve On 5/28/24 11:52 PM, Matt Cutter via glencook-fans wrote:
I just can't get into Brust. He should tick all my "interested" boxes, but something about his writing rubs me the wrong way. On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 04:47:09 PM CDT, grim213 (null) <grim213@aol.com> wrote:
Butcher’s enjoyable and all, but if you’re a Cook fan and you haven’t read the Malazan Book of the Fallen or Jhereg series, you had better get your priorities straight my friend! ;)
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On May 28, 2024, at 5:40 PM, Scott Bonner <sbonner@gmail.com> wrote:
DF is excellent. It ramps up in quality and complexity as it goes. It starts getting really good at book 4.
The Eddie LaCrosse books by Alex Bledsoe are another great example of an investigator in a fantasy world, but they're a little darker and more travelling adventurer than city boy.
If anyone is looking for a readalike for Black Company, try the First Law Trilogy by Joe Abercrombie (The Blade Itself, Before They Are Hanged, Last Argument of Kings). It leans into the grimdark but has a similar dual focus on individual characters and world politics.
On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 2:35 PM Matt Cutter via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Note that the Dresden Files is a good series. Givevit a shot and make your own choice.
On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 9:00 AM, saulamca@aol.com <saulamca@aol.com> wrote: Thanks for the preview. I’ll stick with Garrett. Happy Trails.
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On Saturday, May 25, 2024, 8:34 AM, Matt Cutter via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Garrett is a normal PI in a magical world.
Dresden is a magical PI in a normal world.
The genres are similar but nit the same. But the Dresden Files are very good. Five a couple of books to get its legs.
There's a real tone shift as of Changes. That might be a goid stopping point forva lot of people.
The short story collections are good, but contain Spoilers for the novels.
-Matt C.
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:51 PM, Jerry Kalayjian via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: At some point Jim Butcher's Dresden Files were recommended if one liked Garrett (who doesn't?) It took me a few years but I'm halfway through the first Dresden book, and while pretty good, I'd take Garrett/Cook over Dresden/Butcher every time. Am I missing something?
Jerry Kalayjian
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Rereading Instrumentalities - still absorbing. Soon I’ll start the reread on the BC. Can’t wait. Saul Who desires more BC - especially stories from the Long Run. Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Monday, June 3, 2024, 9:58 AM, Jerry Kalayjian via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: I enjoy the Vlad Taltos series, not as much as Garrett, but they're a fun romp. I'm onto book 3 of Dresden, and he's growing on me. Someone needs to revive the concept of a Thieves World type melange, and throw them all together. Come to think of it, that was another series that petered out without a definitive conclusion. On May 29, 2024 9:32 PM, Steve Chew <schew@interzone.com> wrote: I liked Jhereg, but the next few seemed a bit too much of the same for me. The Malazan books felt the closest to The Black Company of any series I've read. The Malazan world has the layers of history in which the characters are traveling that I loved about the BC and the army uses cleverness as much as brawn when fighting. I'll have to give Dresden another chance since I think I only finished the first two when I tried them long ago. I haven't tried Abercrombie or Bledsoe, but I'm always looking for new options. Steve On 5/28/24 11:52 PM, Matt Cutter via glencook-fans wrote: I just can't get into Brust. He should tick all my "interested" boxes, but something about his writing rubs me the wrong way. On Tuesday, May 28, 2024 at 04:47:09 PM CDT, grim213 (null) <grim213@aol.com> wrote: Butcher’s enjoyable and all, but if you’re a Cook fan and you haven’t read the Malazan Book of the Fallen or Jhereg series, you had better get your priorities straight my friend! ;) Sent from my iPhone On May 28, 2024, at 5:40 PM, Scott Bonner <sbonner@gmail.com> wrote: DF is excellent. It ramps up in quality and complexity as it goes. It starts getting really good at book 4. The Eddie LaCrosse books by Alex Bledsoe are another great example of an investigator in a fantasy world, but they're a little darker and more travelling adventurer than city boy. If anyone is looking for a readalike for Black Company, try the First Law Trilogy by Joe Abercrombie (The Blade Itself, Before They Are Hanged, Last Argument of Kings). It leans into the grimdark but has a similar dual focus on individual characters and world politics. On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 2:35 PM Matt Cutter via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Note that the Dresden Files is a good series. Givevit a shot and make your own choice. On Sat, May 25, 2024 at 9:00 AM, saulamca@aol.com <saulamca@aol.com> wrote: Thanks for the preview. I’ll stick with Garrett. Happy Trails. Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS On Saturday, May 25, 2024, 8:34 AM, Matt Cutter via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Garrett is a normal PI in a magical world. Dresden is a magical PI in a normal world. The genres are similar but nit the same. But the Dresden Files are very good. Five a couple of books to get its legs. There's a real tone shift as of Changes. That might be a goid stopping point forva lot of people. The short story collections are good, but contain Spoilers for the novels. -Matt C. On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 8:51 PM, Jerry Kalayjian via glencook-fans <glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: At some point Jim Butcher's Dresden Files were recommended if one liked Garrett (who doesn't?) It took me a few years but I'm halfway through the first Dresden book, and while pretty good, I'd take Garrett/Cook over Dresden/Butcher every time. Am I missing something? Jerry Kalayjian _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com -- Scott _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com _______________________________________________ glencook-fans mailing list -- glencook-fans@mailman.xmission.com To unsubscribe send an email to glencook-fans-leave@mailman.xmission.com
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