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Matt Shipp & R. Campbell requests
by Efrén del Valle 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

HI, I'm curious about Matthew Shipp's "Nu Bop" and Roy Campbell's "It's Krunchin' Time" (or sthg like that) albums on Thirsty ear. Any comments that make me want to place an order tonight? Thanks in advance. Best, EfrÃ©n del Valle _______________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versiÃ³n: Webcam, voz, y mucho mÃ¡s Â¡Gratis! DescÃ¡rgalo ya desde http://messenger.yahoo.es

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Turntablism
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

Just finished trawling through the explosion that was "CD copying - is it stealing", and felt I had to add my tuppence worth to the recommendations already given vis a vis turntablists. My favourite Christian Marclay discs are - "Records 1981-89", which is a good overview of his stuff, "More Encores", on which he creates pieces out of records by one composer/musician at a time (our Mr Zorn is one), and "Record Without A Cover", which is worth listening to even though what it sounds like is possibly secondary to the concept. Otomo's stuff is always worth checking out, as someone has already said. He did a duo disc on Ambiances Magnetiques with Martin Tetreault, "21 Situations", which is a good example of two fine turntablists working together. Tetreault also has an excellent duo disc with Kevin Drumm on Erstwhile, "Particles and Smears", but you'd be hard pressed to work out that his sounds come from a turntable if it didn't say so on the sleeve. I have problems with David Shea. I thought "The Tower Of Mirrors" was excellent, but everything I've picked up by him since has disappointed. He's not really a turntablist either, more of a sampler. On my side of the pond, Philip Jeck's new disc "Stoke" builds on some of the more limited edition stuff he has done in the past few years. He's more of a long loops kinda turntablist than the guys above, creating atmospheres rather than hacking enormous jump cuts out of the aether. Not that he doesn't get worked up *sometimes* though. My current turntable hero is Janek Schaefer. Janek is a (former?) architect who looks at sound in a very different way to the more musicianly types mentioned above. He also thinks about the record as an artifact, for instance his "On/Off" LP has two grooves - one the normal spiral, the other cut off centre, causing your tone arm to sway drunkenly and the simple tone to turn into a sine wave. His triphonic turntable is something else too. Check out his website at http://www.audioh.com/ I've no financial axe to grind, I just think more people should be aware of his work. Alastair -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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re: copying
by CuneiWay＠aol.com 04 Dec '02

04 Dec '02

Mark writes: > i'm at this moment listening to a cd called >"Homegoing" by the Skip Heller Quartet. >is it 'illegal copying' to burn a cd of this so that i can listen to it >in my car? Assuming you BOUGHT the original, then the answer is no - it is not illegal, nor is it immoral. You bought the thing, you have the right to enjoy it in your car, in your bathtub, or anywhere else. Additionally, if you have BOUGHT the COMPLETE Cuneiform Curlew releases, it is also legally and MORALLY sound for you to burn a CDR of your favorite tunes off of these paid for Curlew releases and to listen to the material this 'greatest hits' way, whether at home or in your car or wherever. You have paid for the 'individual personal use right' to use these recordings in any PERSONAL way you wish to use them (PERSONAL USE means, for example, that you do not have the right to use them as a soundtrack to the film you are making). What is not legally right or morally right is if you burn copies and then sell the originals while retaining the CDR copies for yourself; by the act of selling the originals, you are conferring the 'individual consumer use license' that you have gained by buying the originals to the person who buys them from you; once you sell them, you have lost that license and no longer have the 'right' to listen to these copies you made off of your bought copies. I realize that this is obviously easily ignored by people who don't care about these things; I am only writing this reply because he asked. As I stated earlier, I don't want to get into a bunch of "what if" scenarios, but this scenario seemed to actually have some basis in reality, so I responded. Steve Cuneiform Records

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Re: industrial capitalism is organized crime
by Eriedell＠aol.com 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

In a message dated 12/3/02 6:56:38 PM, crowmeat(a)hotmail.com writes: << Ellery, when are you bringing the Jazz Trash folks back to North Carolina? >> Wow, another zornlister from NC. (I'm guessing you're in the raleigh/durham area by the inclusion of socialist propaganda). Anyway to any zornlisters in the area that don't know, Eugene Chadbourne will be playing Sunday night at College Hill Sundries in Greensboro. andy

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Re: waits/alice
by RainDog138＠aol.com 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

the original demos for alice where probably recorded in 91 when waits was working on getting the play "alice" started. thought the play didnt get off the ground until late '92. so somewhere between 91 and 92 the alice demos were recorded. from what i understand the demos were stolen from tom's car at some point and then bootlegged. i guess that tom had forgotten all about them until (a year or so ago) when a fan gave him a copy of the bootleg and this led the the re-recording and recent release of the album "alice" my two cents: i personally prefer most of the demo versions to the new album. hope that helps. take care - mike

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Re: SCG
by William York 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

<<anyone remember last year when someone was selling CD-Rs of =FCber-rare SCG cassettes on eBay and they were getting $20 and $30 a pop for them? That was scummy.>> Right, people shouldn't sell them like that. BUT, when you make limited editions and then never reprint them -- even your "classic" albums -- that is the kind of think that can happen I guess. I was so happy to finally find a copy of 'Horse Cock Phepner' on cassette when they played here in SF (a few copies made their way to Amoeba at a higher price). They were selling some other very rare stuff too. Someone mentioned 330,003 Crossdressers -- unfortunately it's out of print (both on CD and LP). It's not easy to find. If anyone knows where to find a reasonably priced copy, let me know (I have most of it on tape). Also, if anyone wants to trade tapes/CDRs (although I don't have a burner) of out-of-print SCG stuff, get in touch with me... I'm not an old-guard collector, but I have a few semi-hard-to-find things. As for the Carnival Folkore series, it seems like they weren't trying to hard eaerly on but the later volumes (especially 8/The Handsome Stranger and 9-10/Hi Asia/Lo Pacfic) are great. 6 and 7 also have their moments... WY _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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turntablism
by Caleb T. Deupree 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Another turntablist of note is Janek Schaefer, who participated in the last Whitney biennial as a sculptor for his three-armed 'Tri-Phonic' turntable. I listened today to his recent live recording, Petit Theatre de Mercelis, with a live mix by electronics composer Leo Kupper. Fabulous soundscape with lots of loops made from the vinyl dead space outside the tracks, along with other droney soundscapes. Highly recommended. -- Caleb Deupree cdeupree(a)erinet.com

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industrial capitalism is organized crime
by Crowmeat Bob 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

if making 'illicit' reproductions lies somewhere on the moral low ground, so does distributing culture for profit. that's if we have to judge things in absolute moral terms. the artist must respect the listener's 'judgment', just as the listener respects the artist's craft. we're all swimming in the same bullshit. we all have our rationalizations for what we do. when I have my band's first legit CD pressed next year (if I can afford it), I'll have to put a price tag on it. from one point of view, it's a necessary evil in the capital-dominated plane of reality, from another it will never cost as much as it's worth (regardless of the opinion of reviewers or those whose tastes run askance, whose ranks will no doubt be voluminous). Stockhausen chooses to recognize that value by somewhat prohibitively pricing his CDs. Matthew Barney makes his films extremely difficult to obtain. being of a more humble disposition, I'll take a gamble on the opposite tack. the point is that there's give and take in the relationship that goes beyond strict numerical exchange. "property is theft." http://dhm.best.vwh.net/archives/proudhon-property-is-theft.html --motecraw's belated two-and-a-half cents, for what they're worth. I been outtatown and catchin up. had to make sure I wasn't being too redundant. and damnation, I didn't know there was a MORE "complete" Webern out there. dad blast it. can somebody burn me the 3 discs of 'new' material? I'll trade you all the Cuneiform and Eskelin stuff I have. (just kidding. jeez.) Ellery, when are you bringing the Jazz Trash folks back to North Carolina? I for one would pay to see you again. Good culture is what my spendin money is for, regardless of how much free junk I get. np: flaming lips - in a priest driven ambulance _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: majors & self released music
by john schuller 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

I think it would. Mass culture will always have something to pacify themselves with...McDonalds, James Bond, Star Wars Episode III, Romanace Novels, SUV's...I just like to see them struggling right now. When things like Mariah Carey happen to EMI - I love it. The major entertainment industry have shot themselves in the foot. The introduction of DVD's and CD's (digital information) is great for bootleggers. >From: Herb Levy <herb(a)eskimo.com> >To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: majors & self released music >Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:41:36 -0600 > > "john schuller" <superbadassmofo(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > >>Self released music. > >Uh, this really doesn't answer Joseph's question. > >Composers & performers releasing their own recordings doesn't address the >same functions as major record companies do. > >You may not like some or all of the functions these companies serve (I know >I don't), but independent labels do not and can not serve the same >functions. And these functions are so intrinsic to mass culture in the >world as it is, that "self released music" alone won't change much of >anything. >-- >Herb Levy >P O Box 9369 >Fort Worth, TX 76147 > >herb(a)eskimo.com > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list John Schuller www.johnschuller.com www.worldmisery.com do you know the deutsch that I'm sprechen? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: sun city girls
by john schuller 03 Dec '02

03 Dec '02

Rick Bishop on guitar / Alan Bishop on bass / Charles Gocher on drums is their usual set up. They all sing at various times. Sometimes Alan will play guitar as well. Sometimes they will all play any kind of instruments they can get ahold of. I saw them play a show in San Francisco recently where they didn't even bring out their guitars. They just played gamelan instruments and other items. The only records I know of that feature Eyvind are "330,003 Cross Dressers from Beyond the Rig Veda", "Dulce" and Charlie Gocher's "Pint Sized Sparticus". Other than that I am not too sure. Their discography is freaking huge. Alan told me the other day that they have another 200 records waiting to be released. Eyvind was supposed to play with them at their Seattle show this last Saturday night, but apparantly hurt his shoulder in the pit at the Cannibal Corpse show earlier in the evening at the same club. John Schuller >From: Matthew Garrington <thegrandguignol(a)yahoo.com> >To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: sun city girls >Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 13:26:37 -0800 (PST) > > >Maybe this is a question for John . . . > >Does anybody know what the lineup to the Sun City Girls is??? I've got a >couple of the "Carnival Folklore Resurrection" cds. I was wondering if >anyone knew what, if any, cds Kang appears on. > >matt g > > > >--------------------------------- >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now John Schuller www.johnschuller.com www.worldmisery.com do you know the deutsch that I'm sprechen? _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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