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Towing report - Tongue weight
by John Schinnerer 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Hi all, Just did a quick 'n dirty tongue weight test on my rig, bathroom scale method. Looks like about 230-240 lbs tongue weight. A bit over the alleged 200 lb max rating for my vehicle but with the overload rear springs probably not an issue (hitch itself is rated to 350 lbs.). I could stash more stuff towards the rear of the boat when towing is what I get from this. Weight of the rig as a whole will be a while, need to see where there's a scale I can put it on in the area. I expect it's close to the 2000 lb rating for my vehicle...we'll see. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: M_Boats: Motor shaft length M17 /Alternator/Alternative
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

John, I have 180 degree opinion and experience from your position as stated - I would actually rather burn the alternator money as amusement and spend 100+/- on a quality solar panel and another 35$ on a good regulator - my battery is always at 13.4 - 13.8 V and 100% of charge until I load them with running lights at night - they VERY quickly recover to above stated values - battery is 5+ years old and panel over 15 (replacement is in garage). When I was in the boat business, (literally sold over 1000 OB motors) I had the manufacturer's reps tell me that an alternator was a waste of $ - I still sold many to folks that desired them and NOT ONE had anything positive to report regarding the alternator's ability to charge the battery at all. (a couple were wired with '0' g tinned 'Ancor' wire for low resistance - wire runs to Industry Standards) - No Bueno - No Charge! As Dave points out - few run the motor at high throttle for any period of time. They DO provide additional weight at the powerhead, additional wiring, and may even trick a person into believing they could use electric start on their motor.... At 10hp or larger it becomes somewhat viable IF you run motor at speed for long periods and diligently maintain the circuit/batteries in top condition. I would heartily recommend (free ADVICE FOLKS ! !) a quality solar panel proper regulator and well maintained and constructed circuitry as a sound simple charging system for boats of this size and beyond. Different strokes, Have Fun Go Sailing, GO In a message dated 9/18/2015 11:30:35 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: The Tohatsu web site shows the alternator as an option on the 5hp and 4hp. As far as I can tell it's the same exact motor, with reduced hp for the 5 and 4. Same castings and housing etc., but the alternator is not standard except on the sail pro 6hp model. If you can add it on for a reasonable cost it could be worth it. It will actually put some juice in your battery if you are motoring for a few hours here and there. In the same timeframe you will get nothing much from solar panels you can fit on a boat our size, unless you cover your topsides with amorphous thin-film photovoltaic material (theoretically possible these days, but doesn't work well as non-skid decking... :-). cheers, John S. On 09/18/2015 10:16 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: > Hi John, > I have the standard 20" long shaft. I believe the "Sailpro" comes as a 6 hp > only. Also the alternator is available only on the 6. I believe I will > investigate solar for trickle charging. > Tom B. Monty 17 #258.1977 > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 11:42 AM, John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > wrote: > >> The standard model (20" shaft) or the "sail pro" (25")? >> >> I have the 6 hp sail pro, which from the specs is the same engine as the >> 5hp and 4hp, just with less hp (same weight, same displacement engine, same >> gear ratio, etc.). >> >> cheers, >> John S. >> >> On 09/18/2015 09:16 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: >> >>> Just bought a long shaft Tohatsu. The book that came with it states the >>> cavitation plate should be one inch below the bottom of the boat. Hope >>> that >>> works out with Jerry's designed ob cutout. >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 10:47 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Jerry is having email problems so i'm sending this for him - >>>> >>>> I tooled the original M17's transom cutout for a 4HP (a 2-cycle Johnson) >>>> long shaft outboard. >>>> >>>> -- Jerry Montgomery >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 09/14/2015 10:24 AM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>> The mount was a frequent response to the lack of room in the cutout for >>>>> >>>>>> the shifter/throttle/tiller arm and some motors did not have enof room >>>>>> >>>>> to >>>> >>>>> rotate for 'reverse' operation - I installed a tiny fixed mount at the >>>>>> same >>>>>> height as the cut-out and use a 20" 4hp Evinrude Yachtwin (no reverse) >>>>>> >>>>> - >>>> >>>>> luckily solved all problems and adds minimum weight. >>>>>> >>>>>> GO >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >> -- >> John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >> -------------------------------------------- >> - Eco-Living - >> Whole Systems Design Services >> People - Place - Learning - Integration >> john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >> http://eco-living.net >> http://sociocracyconsulting.com >> >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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New tohatsu 5 for my Monty 17
by Thomas Buzzi 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Hello All, I was reading the book that came with this new ob and it mentioned the ethanol situation with gasoline not being the greatest fuel situation for this unit. Has anybody tried "fuel stabilizer" using gas station fuel to keep down the water absorption? I live in Rockport, Tx. and fuel access is rather limited to auto use here abouts. Any advice about this would be appreciated. Tom B. Monty 17, "AS-IS"

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Re: M_Boats: Motor shaft length M17 /Alternator/Alternative
by Thomas Buzzi 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

As this string has morphed into electronics I have a question about fully charged batteries. I have ProSport 6- 12 volt, 6 amp, battery charger from West Marine on my M17 which is charging a series 27 AGM Duel Purpose Battery also from West Marine. Both units were bought new. This set up, using oversized wire between the charger and battery will not charge the battery beyond 12.9 volts with no load. Anybody have any ideas about this? As always, thanks for your thoughts. fair winds, Tom B

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Remove from mailing list
by Irv Kooris 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

Please remove me from mailing list -- Irv Kooris Sent with Airmail

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Coleman fuel will ruin your outboard
by Dave Scobie 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

Some info from a web search - coleman fuel is a mixture of cyclohexane, nonane, octane, heptane, and pentane. Though Coleman fuel has an octane rating of 50 to 55 and a flammability similar to gasoline, it has none of the additives found in modern gasoline and cannot be used as a substitute for gasoline, kerosene or diesel fuel in modern engines. Its high combustion temperature and lack of octane boosting additives like tetraethyllead will destroy engine valves, and its low octane rating would produce knocking. :: Dave Scobie

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Re: M_Boats: Motor shaft length M17 /Alternator/Alternative
by bownez＠juno.com 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

Hi Listers, Gary's charger details I find to be accurate from my experience. I have a 1985 Honda 4 stoke 10hp and a 1995 Mariner 2 stroke 8hp, both with alternators, which have been used on my M23. Neither will put much of a charge into your batteries unless they are revving at a good clip. If not in a slip with shore power, I have a Goal Zero 30 watt solar briefcase with a built-in regulator. If the sun is strong, she brings the battery right up. Positioning is critical. My opinion is to minimize your DC load and go solar. Mr. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Buffettâ€™s New Enemy Buffett just confirmed his worst fear. Click here for his warning. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/560004e6dd79a4e64145st02vuc

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Where to sail near Pensacola, FL?
by Charlie Fortner 21 Sep '15

21 Sep '15

Good evening wrinkle boat lovers, Anybody been sailing in Pensacola recently? Got any suggestions on where to go, what to see, what to eat? Pensacola isn't a hard and fast destination, I was just thinking of it because it's within striking distance of Atlanta. I'm all ears for other interesting sailing destinations on the northern Gulf. Charlie -- M-15 #411 Earth, USA, GA, Atlanta

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Towing report - Subaru Outback and M17
by John Schinnerer 18 Sep '15

18 Sep '15

Hi all, As promised a while back, a report on towing. In particular for those wondering about what a "small" car can do with an M17. Yesterday I drove from Maple Valley, WA to Ashland, OR, 450 miles, mostly on I-5, towing my recently purchased 1974 M17 "Pajarita" with my 2001 Subaru Outback wagon. Basically, it works just fine. I had to shift down for some of the steeper uphill grades on I-5 in southern Oregon. I cruised at around 60 mph on the freeway, except for a few slower uphills. Nothing I wasn't used to from owning a 71 VW van for many years a while back :-). I can definitely tell there's something wagging my tail a bit, but got used to it eventually. Just needs thoughtful driving, taking a bit more care than without the tow. So now outings to various nearby lakes or Pacific coast won't seem like much of a long tow! ;-) Specs of tow vehicle: base model Outback wagon, 2.5L engine, 165 HP rated, 5 speed manual transmission. Official tow rating is max 2000 lbs. load, max 200 lbs. tongue weight. Has overload rear springs (std. height) from RalliTek: http://www.rallitek.com/lifted-springs-kits/5634-rallitek-rear-overload-spr… Front brakes are high carbon disks and ceramic pads (in plain English, a small upgrade from original equipment). Hitch rig is this one: http://www.etrailer.com/Trailer-Hitch/Subaru/Outback+Wagon/2001/90176.html?… ...which I installed myself some time ago, easy-peasy. Along with electrical rig identified on etrailer.com - the car has a plug and play plug, no splicing or manual wiring required. Sometime fairly soon I will try and get the boat & trailer on a scale and see what it actually weighs. Also sometime soon I will be doing the boat ramp shuffle, so will see how it handles that part. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Re: M_Boats: Akulet in Ashland
by Mark Dvorscak 18 Sep '15

18 Sep '15

I don't know anything about Akulet, but I'm not far from you John. My M15 is at home in Roseburg while my M23 is in a slip at Winchester Bay. I'm also a former M17 owner. Also, my good friend, Ian, has an M17 in Sutherlin. Coordinating schedules of working people can be difficult but we should certainly try to hook up and sail together some time. Congratulations on bringing your new baby home. Mark Dvorscak Sent from my U.S. Cellular® smartphone John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> wrote: >Hi all, > >My sailing buddy Keith (Ranger 20, "Stoke") just spotted M15 "Akulet" >from Colorado parked near Garfield park here in Ashland, OR. >Anyone here know anything about that? :-) >Would be fun to connect with another Monty sailor in person. > >cheers, >John S. > >-- >John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design >-------------------------------------------- >- Eco-Living - >Whole Systems Design Services >People - Place - Learning - Integration >john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 >http://eco-living.net >http://sociocracyconsulting.com >

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