September 2015 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Refueling Underway
by David Grah 23 Sep '15

23 Sep '15

We happen to be out on the California Delta for a few days and are using our standard refueling system described a few years ago on this group. I am attaching a photo that I hope comes through. We use a 3.5 gallon gas can with a bulb pump attached to a gas cap on the motor that was sacrificed to have a hole drilled in the top for a fitting the hose from the bulb is connected to. When the motor starts to run out of fuel, we pump around 35 times to fill it up again. You can fill it before it runs out too. The gas can is secured in the back of the cockpit. We've refueled easily in rough conditions with the only spillage being what squirts out the vent hole I drilled when it's full. I wish there wasn't 3.5 gallons of gas in the cockpit with us, but I think it is the best place overall. This system has worked well on week long cruises. David Grah Bishop California Montgomery 15 - Sky Sent from my iPhone Sent from my iPhone

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Re: M_Boats: Motor shaft length on cut-out transom M17
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 23 Sep '15

23 Sep '15

The mount was a frequent response to the lack of room in the cutout for the shifter/throttle/tiller arm and some motors did not have enof room to rotate for 'reverse' operation - I installed a tiny fixed mount at the same height as the cut-out and use a 20" 4hp Evinrude Yachtwin (no reverse) - luckily solved all problems and adds minimum weight. GO In a message dated 9/13/2015 4:19:47 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: Interesting to me because my M17 has the cutout but also a nice spring-loaded stainless mount. It came with a Tohatsu 6hp long shaft, which seems like overkill in both weight and HP - thoughts on that? But if I keep it for now, sounds like it would affect balance less if I remove the mount and put it in the cutout, yes? Assuming it tilts enough to clear the water and the cutout is wide enough for its head/throttle configuration. thanks, John S. On 09/06/2015 09:15 PM, Dave Scobie wrote: > for the old cutout transom M17s the Suzuki 4HP or 6HP (same motor, the 4HP > is just a 'de powered' 6HP ... the 6HP has the external tank option) is > great. the reason the Suzuki works great is the control/throttle arm is > set closer the center of the powerhead than other motors. a > control/throttle arm that 'sticks out to the side' is difficult to fit into > the transom cutout - do some measuring before you purchase a motor. > > DON'T, in my opinion, be tempted to put an outboard motor mount on the > transom. the boat will sail better with a motor mounted in the cutout (a > weight balance issue). when Jerry modified the hull mold, and make the new > deck mold, in '82 he removed the cutout because of 'market forces', not > because the transom mounted motor mounts are superior. > > a 20" will work fine ... a longer shaft could be a challenge as it will > drag in the water (maybe?). > -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Where to store Extrnal OB Gas Tank?
by Thomas Buzzi 23 Sep '15

23 Sep '15

Aft end of the cockpit sounds like the safest place. It wouldn't take much to add a couple of cleats to the seat fronts back there to support a frame with some nurseryman's cloth stapled to it. That would keep the tank in the shade and allow breezes to waft away any fumes from the tank while not adding much extra weight to the stern. Fair winds, Tom B

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Re: M_Boats: M17 motor requirements
by Thomas Buzzi 23 Sep '15

23 Sep '15

Timothy, My new 5 hp tohatsu just fits in the motor cut out on my 77' Monty 17. I had it on a spring loaded stand off type mount on the other side of the transom but with 60# of weight that far out I was concerned about fore and aft balance. As it is with the new motor in the cutout, the closest I can get the vertical propeller shaft is just about an inch out of plumb but I figure once I sit in the cockpit the boat will sink enough to bring the shaft perpendicualr to the water level. My old two stroke 4 hp volvo ob took up about half the cutout notch on my old 74' Monty 17. So, yes, the power heads on those were tiny compared to now a days. I do have the old spring loaded mount which thru bolts on the transom and another new spring mount rated for up to 20 hp for sale, by the way. I have found that putting the rudder hard over is seldom necessary and found also that if that becomes necessary by turning the motor also to parallel the rudder blade I can spin the boat on a dime. That also lessens the chance of doing a chop job on your rudder blade. When I am out sailing I have the motor tilted into the cockpit and the lower unit being above the water level does not contact the rudder blade until the rudder is way over which is really not needed. Have fun, go sailing, tell someone about it. Fair winds, Tom B

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M17 hull #14 Griselda for $1400
by Jeremy Bowman 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

My boat is in ventura county, CA. I know it's quite a low price but I don't have time or energy to wait for the right buyer while showing the boat to many people. It's one of the original fixed keel boats. It comes on a good trailer but I'm keeping the motor at this price. I'm trying to move to Texas and can leave CA as soon as I sell the boat. Check out this link for my Craigslist ad: http://ventura.craigslist.org/boa/5221961912.html

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M17 boat (stands) propping locations?
by Bill Ruth 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Dave Scobie- I want to check on my center board and work in the bottom of my Boat. I plan on jacking up my M17 on its trailer, placing two 4x10 beams (supported on vertical 6x6post that are securely connected) one each just forward and aft of the centerboard/keel and lowering the trailer so the boat is supported at three locations in line on each beam as if there is six boat stands. Will those six in line locations hold the boat's weight without stressing the hull? Bill Ruth

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Where to store External OB Gas Tank?
by Bill Ruth 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

I have a 1977 M17. No wet locker. Where do I safely store/use my external gasoline tank for my OB? Bill Ruth

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M17 for sale - $1400
by Bowman, Jeremy 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

I wrote about Griselda about a week ago and haven't gotten a buyer yet. I've dropped the price: $1400. The outboard motor is not included. I need to sell quickly.

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Re: M_Boats: M17 motor requirements
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

Tyler if you store ANY fuel on board - Please be sure the storage area is vented - we like you and want you to stay around for many years!! MSR bottles are the cats .... GO In a message dated 9/22/2015 12:15:43 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, casioqv(a)usermail.com writes: Connie, Did you ever have leaking issues with the 1 quart oil containers? I would be concerned that they aren't designed to hold high pressure, and if the bottle gets hot in the sun the vapor pressure would burst them, or push the cap off. I have been looking at using MSR 30 oz backpacking fuel bottles, which are designed to be high-pressure leakproof fuel containers- but they are quite expensive. I currently own one, but would like 4 or more for a long cruise. I do like the idea of small fuel containers that can fit in an M15 cockpit locker, so that they don't have any risk of leaking into the cabin. MSR fuel bottle link: http://www.cascadedesigns.com/msr/stoves/stove-accessories/msr-fuel-bottles/ product Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 12:07:05 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M17 motor requirements On 9/22/2015 12:38 PM, James Poulakis wrote: Jim, I had two solutions to refueling my 2 HP HONDA. -1 I used 1 quart oil containers. They are small; store easily; are easy to pour; and you have no spills when you are refilling the tank in fairly smooth water. -2 I had a spare remote fuel container. Use an outboard tank hose with a bulb pump in the middle. One end of the hose is in the fuel container; the other in the HONDA fuel tank. You squeeze the bulb, and can very nicely control fuel flow and fuel amount in the tank - i.e., no spillage. Connie

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M17 motor requirements
by Thomas Buzzi 22 Sep '15

22 Sep '15

I had a 4 hp ob on a boat about the size of the Monty 17 but lighter displacement and had several hair raising experiences with the rig in Florida trying to motor into Government Cut in Miami as well as the Hillsborough Inlet further up the coast. When the wind was on the nose and the waves were 3 feet or so, forward progress was about nil. That experience at Government Cut in Miami involved a draw bridge, rush hour traffic and my boat inching forward under the span. I could see the bridge operator glaring down at me with his hand on the button. I did clear the bridge. It was closing as my stern eased out from under its shadow. Then I wondered what I would do if my screaming ob decided to quit at that moment. Not good thoughts. Was under powered years later on Lake Travis outside of Austin, Tx. 25 knots on the nose funneled between high banks on each side. Better a little too much power than not quite enough. Tom B

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