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Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 151, Issue 39
by Klaas 27 Sep '15

27 Sep '15

1. Visiting Port Townsend in October (Wayne Martin) 2. Re: Visiting Port Townsend in October (Dave Scobie) 3. M-15 on Lake Calhoun (Rich Makela) 4. Re: Fwd: Main Furling System (Dave Scobie) 5. Re: overcoming current and hull speed (Dave Scobie) 6. Re: Fwd: Main Furling System (Jim Ellsworth) 7. Re: Fwd: Main Furling System (Dave Scobie) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Sep 2015 16:28:06 -0800 From: Wayne Martin <summit(a)mtaonline.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Visiting Port Townsend in October Message-ID: <5AA03121-E269-461C-8764-BC90B9664B21(a)mtaonline.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hello all. I own an M-15 (absolutely love it) and would really like to see what a 17 looks like on the inside. I live in Alaska and will be in Port Townsend WA on Sunday, October 18th. I am pretty sure there isn't a 17 footer in Alaska. Do any of you have an M-17 that lives near there that wouldn't mind a visit? (Better yet, I am pretty sure I want to get the bigger one, if there any for sale in the Pacific Northwest, I would love to hear about it. Missed out on Pajorita....) Thanks in advance, Wayne Martin M-15 #315 Wayne I just saw your message and sent you a craigslist from Bellingham Klaas Sent from Wayne's iPad ------------------------------

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Please remove me from the listserve.
by Doug 27 Sep '15

27 Sep '15

Hi, I've enjoyed the listserve for several yrs, but I would now like to be removed from the list. Thanks for all your time/patience maintaining the communication! Cheers Doug Henning

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M-15 on Lake Calhoun
by Rich Makela 26 Sep '15

26 Sep '15

While sailing on Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis today I noticed an M-15 on a buoy near the north wall with its mast down and in the water. I don't know the owner, but I'm hoping they might be on the email list. Rich Makela M-17 #233 - Harmony

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Visiting Port Townsend in October
by Wayne Martin 26 Sep '15

26 Sep '15

Hello all. I own an M-15 (absolutely love it) and would really like to see what a 17 looks like on the inside. I live in Alaska and will be in Port Townsend WA on Sunday, October 18th. I am pretty sure there isn't a 17 footer in Alaska. Do any of you have an M-17 that lives near there that wouldn't mind a visit? (Better yet, I am pretty sure I want to get the bigger one, if there any for sale in the Pacific Northwest, I would love to hear about it. Missed out on Pajorita....) Thanks in advance, Wayne Martin M-15 #315 Sent from Wayne's iPad

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Fwd: 23rd Season Sail
by George Iemmolo 25 Sep '15

25 Sep '15

George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails" ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: George Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 7:17 PM Subject: 23rd Season Sail To: montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com, montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com 1st Fall sail today tried yesterday but no wind to speak of. Wind blowing from E veering to ENE and back. Went out with full Main and encountered 16-8 K of wind.gusting over 20 K Put in Reef and Boat came up and sailed flat. Wind fell to below 5-8 K did not take out Reef as wind kept gusting over 15 K Tacked up South Bay of Pine Lake. Had to make one Jibe when caught in Irons. Sailed back to Marina area Wing on Wing and Beam Reach. Able to sail into slip under full sail 3rd time this season:-). George "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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Re: M_Boats: overcoming current and hull speed
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 25 Sep '15

25 Sep '15

In a message dated 9/25/2015 9:55:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john(a)eco-living.net writes: Also it's a 3000 lb. boat and he's happy with the 6hp...which tells me it's way more than I need for my ~1600 lb. boat.

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Weight of M17 and trailer
by John Schinnerer 24 Sep '15

24 Sep '15

PS - weighed my M17 and trailer on the way to the lake, at a certified truck scale. Shows 2120 for boat and trailer, and 3840 for my Subaru. The Subaru weight is a little high per spec, so maybe the boat/trailer was as much as 2220. Not sure how those big truck scales handle smaller loads. I just parked it where they told me to and that's what the result was. I'll try and weight the trailer alone sometime eventually. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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23rd Season Sail
by George Iemmolo 24 Sep '15

24 Sep '15

Went sailing this afternoon. Wind blowing from the E variable 1-2 K Wind clocking 180 Deg and back become becalmed in middle of S Pine lake. Powered back to marina area wind came up so I was able to sail into slip under full sail 2nd time this season:-). Heat 111 F in Cockpit, Humidity 17%, Barometer steady @ 29.26, Forecast Cloudy Sunny entire sail. Try again tomorrow Wind forecast blowing from the E @ 8 m/h. http://fms.ws/Qtiyr/41.61779N/86.75189W George Merry Helen II 97 M15 #602 "We Can Not Control the Wind But We Can Adjust Our Sails"

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Re: M_Boats: M17 motor requirements/Cut-out transom
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 23 Sep '15

23 Sep '15

True - Two-stroke motors typically have smaller power heads. Our boat experienced the same issues with a narrow head 2-stroke 4 hp (no reverse) in the cut-out transom. Many years ago we had purchased a motor mount for a J-24 from Hall Spars - short story long - the mount was miss placed. SO I set out to make one with minor mod. to accommodate the 17 cut-out transom - I do not have a photo of it at hand but here is a link to the Hall Spars part - NFIW. http://www.hallspars.com/product_p/hr-j24-motormnt.htm Short bit of mast extrusion welded to 1/4" plate and HDPE mount block shaped to fit and cut away to lighten the part. Cost for home made part was +- $100 incl. welding, coating and fasteners. Modifications made were: adjust the mount plate angle to accommodate the angle of the transom (motor now sits parallel to the transom), and the Starboard plastic mount block was cut with a spade bit to accept the motor clamp screws. The metal part was powder coated and the piece has worked fine for years now. Engine rotates and sits properly re. the transom angle - rudder MAY still contact the prop as I did not want to offset the mount the distance away from the transom to clear the rudder blade - solution is to turn outboard in conjunction with the tiller when in tight conditions. No moving parts - true to Colin Chapman's credo - "Simplify, then add lightness" * *Credit to 'PaintBoy' for instilling that sailboat modifying philosophy to boat problem solving. Reason for all this OCD over a mount? - I hate ugly things hanging off the boat - motor does NOT need to lift to clear water in tilt mode with the mount. Engine is 20' long shaft. One can easily fabricate a 'prop guard' in the garage shop if you want extra bit of protection. Sorry for the rant - solution has worked well - does not wear out (no springs or moving parts) and was cheap. PM if you want a photo or dimensions of the one we built - Sailing Season in the desert starts today ! finally! Have Fun Go Sailing GO In a message dated 9/23/2015 5:02:31 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tjarvi(a)esnm.us writes: I've got a new Mercury 3.5 4 stroke in the transom cut-out in my 17 flush deck that has no reverse gear and will not come close to rotating around to get sternway. I have two paddles on board for that. The engine only turns a few degrees before some part of it contacts the sides of the motor well. The engine also has to sit as for from the rudder as possible to port in the cut-out to allow the rudder to turn (tiller to starboard) without hitting the engine case or the prop hitting the board! It still will not turn fully in that direction. I haven't sailed the boat enough to determine how much of a liability that's going to be. I've only had it out once since the restoration and there were several little things that need to be tweaked that you can't know til the shakedown cruise :) 2 Strokes back in the day must have had a significantly smaller motor head. On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Can you flip an ob around for reverse if it sits in the cutout in the > transom without the prop hitting the stern of the boat? > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > The Honda 2 reverses by flipping the motor around. Not quite as > convenient > > as a shift lever, but only takes a few seconds. > > > > Rick > > M17 #633 > > Lynne L > > > > On Friday, September 18, 2015, <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > I have a 5 hp 2 stroke on my M17 and anything over 1/2 throttle just > > > buries the stern. (Yes, I could get a prop with less pitch, but I > rarely > > > use the motor so it hasn't been a priority). Based on that, I think 3.5 > > hp > > > would be adequate. The only issue is sub-4 hp motors do not have a > > reverse > > > gear. That may or may not be important to you. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "John Schinnerer" <john(a)eco-living.net <javascript:;>> > > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> > > > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 3:32:39 PM > > > Subject: M_Boats: M17 motor requirements > > > > > > OK, changing the topic a bit based on this: > > > > > > On 09/18/2015 11:59 AM, Dave Scobie wrote: > > > > ...the 4HP Suzuki on my M17 is running at less than > > > > 50% to reach cruise speed. > > > > > > So what is anyone's experience on what HP outboard is adequate for an > > M17? > > > > > > Mine came with this nice, low hours Tohatsu 6hp sail pro model. It > seems > > > to me like overkill. > > > > > > And, with Tohatsu at least, no point downgrading to their 5hp or 4hp > > > because they are the same carcass, basically same size and weight. > > > > > > Looking at Evinrude, Mercury, Suzuki, Honda...all making the same basic > > > range of motors, same weight within a few pounds in HP class, etc. > > > > > > The break point is under 4 hp, where the 2.5-3.5 hp units are > > > significantly lighter and smaller. > > > > > > Any experiences welcome - what do you find adequate for your M17 > > > auxiliary motor needs? > > > > > > thanks, > > > John S. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > - Eco-Living - > > > Whole Systems Design Services > > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > > john(a)eco-living.net <javascript:;> - 510.982.1334 > > > http://eco-living.net > > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Re: M_Boats: M17 motor requirements
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 23 Sep '15

23 Sep '15

In a message dated 9/23/2015 5:02:31 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tjarvi(a)esnm.us writes: I've got a new Mercury 3.5 4 stroke in the transom cut-out in my 17 flush deck that has no reverse gear and will not come close to rotating around to get sternway. I have two paddles on board for that. The engine only turns a few degrees before some part of it contacts the sides of the motor well. The engine also has to sit as for from the rudder as possible to port in the cut-out to allow the rudder to turn (tiller to starboard) without hitting the engine case or the prop hitting the board! It still will not turn fully in that direction. I haven't sailed the boat enough to determine how much of a liability that's going to be. I've only had it out once since the restoration and there were several little things that need to be tweaked that you can't know til the shakedown cruise :) 2 Strokes back in the day must have had a significantly smaller motor head. On Sat, Sep 19, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Can you flip an ob around for reverse if it sits in the cutout in the > transom without the prop hitting the stern of the boat? > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > The Honda 2 reverses by flipping the motor around. Not quite as > convenient > > as a shift lever, but only takes a few seconds. > > > > Rick > > M17 #633 > > Lynne L > > > > On Friday, September 18, 2015, <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > I have a 5 hp 2 stroke on my M17 and anything over 1/2 throttle just > > > buries the stern. (Yes, I could get a prop with less pitch, but I > rarely > > > use the motor so it hasn't been a priority). Based on that, I think 3.5 > > hp > > > would be adequate. The only issue is sub-4 hp motors do not have a > > reverse > > > gear. That may or may not be important to you. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "John Schinnerer" <john(a)eco-living.net <javascript:;>> > > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > > > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com <javascript:;>> > > > Sent: Friday, September 18, 2015 3:32:39 PM > > > Subject: M_Boats: M17 motor requirements > > > > > > OK, changing the topic a bit based on this: > > > > > > On 09/18/2015 11:59 AM, Dave Scobie wrote: > > > > ...the 4HP Suzuki on my M17 is running at less than > > > > 50% to reach cruise speed. > > > > > > So what is anyone's experience on what HP outboard is adequate for an > > M17? > > > > > > Mine came with this nice, low hours Tohatsu 6hp sail pro model. It > seems > > > to me like overkill. > > > > > > And, with Tohatsu at least, no point downgrading to their 5hp or 4hp > > > because they are the same carcass, basically same size and weight. > > > > > > Looking at Evinrude, Mercury, Suzuki, Honda...all making the same basic > > > range of motors, same weight within a few pounds in HP class, etc. > > > > > > The break point is under 4 hp, where the 2.5-3.5 hp units are > > > significantly lighter and smaller. > > > > > > Any experiences welcome - what do you find adequate for your M17 > > > auxiliary motor needs? > > > > > > thanks, > > > John S. > > > > > > > > > -- > > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > > -------------------------------------------- > > > - Eco-Living - > > > Whole Systems Design Services > > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > > john(a)eco-living.net <javascript:;> - 510.982.1334 > > > http://eco-living.net > > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > > > > > > > > >

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