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Re: M_Boats: How to deconstruct and destroy you interior
by bownez＠juno.com 28 Dec '12

28 Dec '12

I couldn't have said it better myself Sean....... Bones Lots of work but worth it! You have an incredible boat on your hands bud...keep the faith! I've been in that "OMG I'm never gonna get all this done" funk before.....but you will! AND....I'm telling you....it wouldn't be worth it for most boats....but the M23 is an incredible little pocket cruiser. Lyle really outdid himself when he drew the Montys. I was just talking to someone the other day and I told them that this boat, has for now at least....cured my 2 foot itis... I have had such adventures and she has done everything I have asked and more, that I have no desire to buy another boat to replace her with. All she asks is that you set her up right for the wind conditions ...and then sit back and enjoy the ride. Tom and Della can attest that we were out in 30 knot winds the other day.....double reefed and tiny headsail....and it was fun! Gotta luv that. Keep up the good work and keep documenting and showing us! Love seeing her get better and better. Great job! ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 57 But Looks 27 Mom publishes simple facelift trick that angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50dda288e8fde22885d1fst04vuc

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Re: M_Boats: How to deconstruct and destroy you interior
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 27 Dec '12

27 Dec '12

Go Robin Go!!! Lots of work but worth it! You have an incredible boat on your hands bud...keep the faith! I've been in that "OMG I'm never gonna get all this done" funk before.....but you will! AND....I'm telling you....it wouldn't be worth it for most boats....but the M23 is an incredible little pocket cruiser. Lyle really outdid himself when he drew the Montys. I was just talking to someone the other day and I told them that this boat, has for now at least....cured my 2 foot itis... I have had such adventures and she has done everything I have asked and more, that I have no desire to buy another boat to replace her with. All she asks is that you set her up right for the wind conditions ...and then sit back and enjoy the ride. Tom and Della can attest that we were out in 30 knot winds the other day.....double reefed and tiny headsail....and it was fun! Gotta luv that. Keep up the good work and keep documenting and showing us! Love seeing her get better and better. Great job! Sean

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Re: M_Boats: Traveler System Conversion
by griemmolo2 27 Dec '12

27 Dec '12

Dave On compioionway deck Yes Sent from Samsung tablet wife's mass giftW David Scobie <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> wrote:George: so you are thinking of installing a traveler on your M15 that is on the cockpit seats, at the companionway from seatback/combing to seatback combing? or just on the cockpit floor at the companionway? -- dave Scobie --- On Mon, 12/24/12, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Dave > My intention to place the track in the same place the > mainsheet is presently > located on the deck outside the companionway hatch. This > should keep the > Main sheet out of the way using either the present mainsheet > system or going > to a 4 part system all will be out of the way of crew. > > Thanks for the insights in crew location. Coming from a > larger boat this > helps. I did sail a WWP15 for a year and returned to a > larger boat but think > I am ready to go small at this stage:-) > > George > We can not control the Wind > But we can adjust our Sails > > > -----Original Message----- > On Behalf Of W David Scobie > Sent: Monday, December 24, 2012 12:16 PM > > George: > > one thing to keep in mind - > > if you move the main sheet aft (ie, to a cockpit floor > track) you will be > adjusting the sail behind where you should be sitting in > addition to having > to figure out how to hold onto the tiller with the mainsheet > in your way. > > on the M15 a person single handing should be sitting within > a foot of, if > not at, the cabin/cockpit bulkhead. > > if two people are sailing they should be sitting shoulder to > shoulder > forward in the cockpit (if the wind is up); or one on the > leeward side, and > the other on the upwind side at the cockpit/cabin bulkhead. > > with the above sitting arrangement in mind the stock setup > for the > mainsheet, at the companionway, is the best location. > > sitting aft on the M15, which in my opinion a traveler on > the cockpit floor > would encourage, is not the place you should be > sitting. the boat will > squat on her transom and the boat's sailing performance will > be very poor. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred > :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com > > > > > --- On Mon, 12/24/12, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Jerry > > > > > > > > I have purchased an M15 I was looking at modifications > to > > improve Sailing. > > Coming from larger boats (last one Pearson 23 CB) I am > > accustomed to using a > > Traveler System. Looking thru the various projects on > the > > Montgomery site I > > came across your contribution on the M17 system you > > developed. > > > > I have a couple of questions that you might be able to > > answer for me. > > > > > > > > 1. Should I continue to use the Main Sheet > > set up on the M15 (yoke at > > stern) or go full bore and convert to a 4 part mid boom > Main > > Sheet directly > > to the new traveler? > > > > > > > > 2. I have searched the Ronstan web site for > > the parts you have listed but > > they do not come up. I suspect that there has been a > change > > in the numbering > > system since you published the information. Do you have > any > > recommendations > > as to how I can find the parts you recommend since > there was > > no physical > > description of the parts? > > > > > > > > 3. I did a quick total on the costs of > > parts that I think might be right > > and they are approx $300 less line in today's boat $. > Of > > course I have not > > visited a marine consignment shop to see what I can get > to > > help keep the $ > > down. I see that the Harkin Small Boat Windward > Sheeting Car > > is $319 I > > believe all I would have to add is Track @ about $80. > So @ > > $400 do you think > > it worth the extra $100 for the Windward system? > > > > > > > > 1998 M15 NoNameYet > > > > Valpariaso Indiana > > > > > > > > George > > > > We can not control the Wind > > > > But we can adjust our Sails

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Traveler System Conversion
by George R. Iemmolo 24 Dec '12

24 Dec '12

Jerry I have purchased an M15 I was looking at modifications to improve Sailing. Coming from larger boats (last one Pearson 23 CB) I am accustomed to using a Traveler System. Looking thru the various projects on the Montgomery site I came across your contribution on the M17 system you developed. I have a couple of questions that you might be able to answer for me. 1. Should I continue to use the Main Sheet set up on the M15 (yoke at stern) or go full bore and convert to a 4 part mid boom Main Sheet directly to the new traveler? 2. I have searched the Ronstan web site for the parts you have listed but they do not come up. I suspect that there has been a change in the numbering system since you published the information. Do you have any recommendations as to how I can find the parts you recommend since there was no physical description of the parts? 3. I did a quick total on the costs of parts that I think might be right and they are approx $300 less line in today's boat $. Of course I have not visited a marine consignment shop to see what I can get to help keep the $ down. I see that the Harkin Small Boat Windward Sheeting Car is $319 I believe all I would have to add is Track @ about $80. So @ $400 do you think it worth the extra $100 for the Windward system? 1998 M15 NoNameYet Valpariaso Indiana George We can not control the Wind But we can adjust our Sails

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Fw: Questions
by Robert Hall 22 Dec '12

22 Dec '12

From: Robert Hall Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 8:56 PM To: Jerry Montgomery Subject: Questions Hi Jerry. I enjoy reading e mails from you on the Monty site and learn a lot from them and those of other owners . I have two questions which probably only you can answer. First my M 15 was built in 1981 and has a 19 ft mast. You have given the rig dimensions on the owners site as I 15.33 J 4.58 P 16.83 and E 7.83 for the M-15. Do those measurements hold true for a boat with a 19 ft mast which I believe is slightly shorter than used on your later boats? Next my boat takes on water into that box- like space approximately under the thwart in the very bottom of the boat. I suppose the space holds about a gallon of water and it requires pumping out about every 10 days. The water accumulates faster if the boat has been heeling a lot. The top appears to be well sealed to the hull along the gunwales,no evidence of leaking there.. There is no sign of damage on the hull or keel and of course at 6 ft 2 in and 82 years of age there is no way I can get a look into that interior space.My boat is on the hard under a snow drift till April, but a younger,smaller, boat savvy friend and I will try again to discover the source of the leak come spring . Have you any advice on any techniques or tricks which we might employ to diagnose the problem ? Your advice will be much appreciated The leak poses little danger to those using the boat, but it is a bloody nuisance, particularly because if we can’t find the source we certainly cannot fix it. From a frustrated M –15 sailor. Have a good holiday season and all health in 2013. RTH. PS the M-15 has been a great boat for me and a source of great interest and admiration among the” big boat” people at my yacht club.

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Re: M_Boats: Questions
by bownez＠juno.com 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

Hello Bill, The marine head is in the V berth, starboard side. The small square holding tank sits forward of the head with a vent and deck pumpout leading up to the toerail. I modified the holding tank years ago to be removable and only to be used for "liquids". This was for the benefit of female passengers and my bride. I used a plastic gas tank and modified the fittings. This way, I could remove the tank and empty it at the marina dump site. I returned the system to stock form before my trip to the North Channel in Ontario to be legal. Bones ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50d3dbe221df55be114b8st02vuc

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Re: M_Boats: Questions
by bownez＠juno.com 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

Howard, My 1976 M17 #92 has a marine head and holding tank. It is the only system allowed in Ontario, Canada. My M17 probably came from Sailboats, Inc. (a long time ago). Bones ____________________________________________________________ Woman is 53 But Looks 25 Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50d38d12108a3d117069st02vuc

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Re: M_Boats: questions on a 21'
by Stan 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

What a great idea. You could be the #1 man to the # 2 business!

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questions on a 21'
by jerry montgomery 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

If you were interested in buying a new boat of about 21', maybe a 2500 lb boat, what would be the ideal beam for you? keep in mind that all interstate highways now have a 9" max, but some state highways still have an 8' max. even tho I've heard that the 8' limit, where applicable, is not inforced. Remember that there should be a relationship between beam and freeboard, so more beam is more bigger. Also keep in mind trailering. A beam of 9' is hard to see around w/o really wide mirrors, even with a pickup truck.. It would probably be a keel/centerboarder so maybe it would sit high enough on the trailer so that your line of vision would be mostly under the widest part. maybe. This is a hypothetical boat; i've picked 21' mainly because of what I'd want in the interior, and beam really wouldn't be a big factor other than visually. The Catalina 22, Montgomery 23, probably all of the larger McGregors, etc, are all 8' in beam. Maybe my question should have been "do you want to go wider than these boats"? Within the 9' max there really wouldn't be a big difference in performance that couldn't be controlled with sail area. I made up an index many years ago on the relationship between length, beam, and freeboard, for trailerable-sized boats, taking into account only sailing qualities and asssuming the market would not be a factor (which never happens), and the beam according to that index comes out to be 8' 3". I don't claim the index to be correct altho I had many hours of input from Lyle Hess and Ron Holder over lunches and beers and there IS a lot of thought into it, for what that's worth. jerry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 7577 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen

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Dinghy for Montgomery 15
by David Grah 20 Dec '12

20 Dec '12

I just get the digest version of this group so may be sending this a bit late. We use a cheap 2 person inflatable in our Montgomery 15. We don't need to row a long way in it or go out in really rough water (but have used it to float whitewater) but it works great. It inflates and deflates with a battery powered inflater in a minute or two and stores easily under the left side of the cockpit. It is comfortable for one but two fit fine. I've rowed it a half a mile or so, and although not efficient, it was doable. We don't tow it because it easy enough to bring out and put away. It is interesting to ready about the other options, but I can't imagine anything better for our purposes. David Grah Montgomery 15 Bishop California

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