February 2011 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Little Breeze M15
by Michael Mann 18 Nov '15

18 Nov '15

Hi, My name is Michael Mann and in 1982, I sailed the Montgomery 15, Little Breeze from CA to Hawaii. I see on the web site that she has been rescued by new owners in Hawaii and I would love to correspond with them. I am currently sailing on a container ship headed for Honolulu and would welcome the chance to make contact. Thanks for any info. Michael Mann

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Montgomery Sailboats are in high demand
by Bob Eeg 14 Jul '13

14 Jul '13

And are built with top-notch quality. There is nothing in the market place faster, better built and as good looking as a Montgomery Sailboat. I don't run a factory; I run a very small boatshop. I built to order on a boat by boat basis. I do a lot of custom work when asked. Bronze ports, Stainless ports, extra ballast, Custom electrical systems, Idasailor rudders, anchoring packages..etc. This work is labor intensive. Quality takes time. I have 3 employees. These people are highly experienced in Laminating, construction, assembly and finish. Woodworking and other skills result in a absolutely beautiful sailing vessel. I use the best sails the best rigging, the best custom stainless fasteners..and yes....(laughing) the best cushions. This last 15 months have been EXTREMELY busy; hiring new help was impossible because all the good people are gone. We had a tremendous BACKLOG and we caught a break only when Pacific Seacraft employees (let go) began filtering into our shop looking for work. We did add some additional crew in the Laminating Shop and because of that we are caught up. Pacific Seacrafts Bankruptcy was good for us. Bad for the dozens of good people who are out of work. The FIRST question of anyone buying a new boat should be 'How is the construction quality'? First and foremost that is the most important issue. I can say that everyone has experienced and will continue to experience a BACKLOG of orders; especially if the boat is as popular as a Montgomery Sailboat. When we had an 8 month backlog and I actually turned down 2 M_17 orders so we could catch our breath. It is impossible to work any harder or any faster. Now that were caught up we can get back to our normal 50-70 days (depending on model and options). Also custom work really adds to the production time. One beautiful M_17 we did we cut the V berth out of and installed an oval bulkhead, custom shelves and inline potti area; with 4 bronze ports she is an amazing boat, but custom work takes time. Expect delays if you go radical on the interior. (I think BONES has a photo of that one...) We are really one of the only builders that entertain changes and options to satisfy the customer. This new Passagemaker M_17 were building (and installing a windvane on tomorrow) is going to be amazing. Other actual boat factories that produce boats for DEALERS (that Tod mentioned) like Precision and Compac are built on Factory Production lines for a large Dealership Network. Dealers who have these boats in stock can supply them right away. But ask for major changes on a future production boat and the wait will be many months. International Marine builds boats faster with more employees but those boats are piss poor sailers (upwind) and many arrive with a list of problems that are pathetic. That's not me. So try not to focus on the TIME factor. We can only go so fast. Hiring additional help is not an option because by the time you train someone the season gets slow and you have to lay them off. I can't do that. I have people that have been with me for 20 years; I keep us small and efficient on purpose. So be surprised if we hit the delivery time; which we do quite often. Be a little disappointed when we miss it; but get over it when you see your boat. Dozens of you know me; you've arrived to see me rig your boat, pack you up and shake your hand. (Heck...Gary Hyde even brought me a bottle of wine..!..Thanks Gary.!) One man bought a new M_15 from us and a new M_17 a year later.! The C word...Cushions. I inspect everyboat before it leaves for home. Scott's boat was leaving for the Bay Area early Friday morning; I was at the boatshop at 10:30 PM Thursday night, sleeping at the picnic table just inside the door, waiting for the cushion guy to arrive with the (late) promised cushions. He drove up, woke me up and I watched as he stacked them on the deck. We left. My man arrived at 3AM and hooked up the boat and slid the cushions inside the boat. I should have loaded them myself then I would have noticed they looked good but didn't have the required 'Squeeze' factor. Let's move on, shall we....? Fair winds Bob Eeg (949) 489-8227 Boat Builder

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Rebedding deck hardware
by Daniel Rich 25 Aug '11

25 Aug '11

Montypals: Just got #208 from Bob Becker. Nice craft. Just did the driveway sail today in preparation for a real sail soon! A couple of the through deck fittings are leaking a bit. These may be leaking through the section of wood core on the deck. There is no weakness there that I can feel. I noted a bit of water in the cabin after the big rain we had even with the boat covered. I can see the fitting that is leaking. What is the best way to deal with this, and what products do I need? I read somewhere that I should remove the fitting, use a bent nail or something on a drill bit to get out some of the core, and epoxy it first. Then redrill and seat with polyurethane sealer? Have I got the right idea here? What products to use? Daniel

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Re: M_Boats: racing my M23
by Larry E Yake 02 Apr '11

02 Apr '11

>So when is the next San Juan trip? Annual? Bi-annual? >Jeff Probably semi-annual. Larry

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2 hp Honda
by beowulf2＠cox.net 04 Mar '11

04 Mar '11

Hello Monty owners. I have an M15 with the original engine bracket on the transom. Has anyone mounted a 2 hp 4 stroke Honda motor on the original bracket? If so, did it operate ok from there? Also, what length shaft, 15 or 20 inches, would you recommend? Thanks Mike Hall So Cal Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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Reefing rigging
by Daniel Rich 28 Feb '11

28 Feb '11

OK, getting ready for my first sail in #208 (Thanks, Bob!). Now, this boat appears to be set up in the past for reefing, but is not set up right now. So, here is what I have and what I am thinking. Please chime in on the best ways to do this. At the moment the main is on the boom with a bolt rope, and on the mast with slugs. There is no outhaul set up. The clew is just tied with a short, secure line. At some point I will set up a proper outhaul with a block and a cleat. But for now, that is what I have. Now, there is a dead eye on the port side of the boom that looks to be in the right spot for the reef clew. There are also blocks on the boom that go forward towards the mast. It looks like this was set up originally for 1 line reefing. It looks like I can set up the 1/4 inch yacht braid I just bought to go from the dead eye on the port side of the boom, up to the reef clew, back down to the cheek block, forward through the boom blocks, to the cheek block near the tack, then up to the reef tack, back down to the jam cleat on the port side of the mast. At least, it looks like that was the original idea. Will this work well? Or, should I change this to some better arrangement. Thoughts? Daniel M15 #208

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by jerry montgomery 28 Feb '11

28 Feb '11

I haven't gotten any emails from this list- is it still active, or have I been taken off? jerry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4772 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

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Re: M_Boats: ?
by SALGLESSER＠aol.com 28 Feb '11

28 Feb '11

Hi Jerry, The list has been quite active for the past few weeks. did you get this? sal In a message dated 2/28/2011 4:32:53 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org writes: I haven't gotten any emails from this list- is it still active, or have I been taken off? jerry -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 4772 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats When posting, remember that there is no privacy on the Internet!

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Re: M_Boats: M-17 Outboard Issues
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 Feb '11

28 Feb '11

Lou, Sounds like a well done repair. GO.

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Thoughts on Sailing the new Sage 17 at the LHPCC 2011
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 28 Feb '11

28 Feb '11

Thoughts on Sailing the new Sage 17 at the LHPCC 2011 I am writing this and posting here because the Sage 17 is a boat built and designed by Jerry Montgomery. I have no financial interest in the Sage or Montgomery companies other than I own a 31 year old M-17. I had the good fortune to sail the Sage 17 #1 at the Lake Havasu Pocket Cruisers Convention on Friday February 18th 2011. See videos. _http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8WDYhY0SW0_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8WDYhY0SW0) We sailed in "cruiser mode" with the OB on the transom mount - she still hauls the mail for a little pocket cruiser! My friend and crew for the weekend, were given the opportunity to sail on Friday, and went out to 'chase' a couple of boats of the same size and larger around the Lake. Friday morning the Montgomery 17's and MacGregors were racing and we thought it would be a good time to see how the Sage compared to these boats - we had NO intention of racing these boats,we just wanted to go out and 'wind it up' and see what Sage 17 #1 felt like. This is a prototype and has a small bit of sorting in its future as all new boats will. The boat was VERY nicely balanced from the get-go! The boat is very stiff once on a tack and seemed to stay right up on its feet as the wind increased later in the day. Overcast skies and light air were predominant. Wind out of the SSE at 3-5 kt at the start- the weather mark approx .75(?) mile upwind. This boat accelerates like no other pocket cruiser I have ever sailed - more like an old school sport boat (U-20 or a J-22 - really! FUN) We get a 'decent start' considering we are not racing, and proceed to fall in behind a highly modified Montgomery 17 around the weather mark in second place after we over- stand the mark by about 30 yards as the wind is shifting East (my bad), then back to SSW for a run of approximately 1.5 miles. The Modified Montgomery 17 (fathead main,rotating mast, 'super' rudder etc) is leading us by about 100 yards. The breeze is light and shifty causing us much consternation and we put the whisker pole up and down repeatedly (no spinn allowed) - finally get in phase with the shifts - breeze picks up slightly - we roll the boat to weather with the pole and start reeling the Modified Montgomery back into arms length. The modified Montgomery is a quick 'product' on a reach and run, as it has a cut down Tornado rig with a Hobie 16 main truncated at the head! BIG MAIN - This thing boogies downwind for a short stocky boat, we reel him in a bit and eventually give up little if anything, even though the Sage 17 rig is much smaller. Yeah, we are very happy and surprised. We round the leeward mark, and sail near the finish line about 50 yards behind the Modified Montgomery 17, ahead of all the stock M-17's and most of the MacG's! Not bad for having sat down in the boat less than an hour earlier ! This boat made us look PRETTY darn GOOD! We were impressed with our first ride in the Sage 17, a pocket cruiser with an enviable background and pedigree. From the board and hands of Jerry Montgomery - it is pretty hard to go wrong here, check the boat out when you have a chance. Disclosure - I own and sail a Montgomery 17 tall rig. I think the Sage 17 is a faster boat. Similar cockpit amenities and cabin with a very spacious v-berth and two seats! A refined and modern version of the M-17. Lessons learned and applied to the new Sage that have been learned from years of experience. For example: No compression post in the cabin due to an engineered arch of carbon fiber - making for a roomy and airy interior - the interior is not quite completed on hull #1 at the time I sailed her - but the furniture was in place. What is not to like? This is going to be a great Micro Cruiser, Pocket Cruiser, whatever your favorite term - this baby has the makings of a GREAT ONE! A 30+ year later remodel has done wonders to a great boat type. Then again - I am biased. Many thanks to Sal & Gail Glesser of Sage Marine, Jerry Montgomery and Dave Scobie for the use of their toy - we had BIG fun ! Still get 'grins' thinking about it. Scooter and Craig. Gary H. Oberbeck M-17 #316 "Air Powered"

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