October 2007 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

Re: M_Boats: My British Seagull is missing!!! Stolen ser# EFNRL 22JJI
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 07 Oct '07

07 Oct '07

Rick, Sorry to hear of your plight - I put this on the list ONLY such that if someone happens to search Google etc the serial # will pop up. I hope you are able to replace your motor to your satisfaction. I HATE theives - very strong words but I .... Fortunately for me I have an another motor in a 4hp Evinrude Yachtwin. Not a 4 stroke but I use my engines as a last resort so the oil issue does not keep me awake at night. (I am the type that may stay up at night worrying) People were asking about alternative high thrust or displacement type props for the Hondas, I know of none for those but OMC or Bombardier have one for the small Evin/Johnsons, I can look up the part number or ask your Evin/Johnson dealer. Hope you get a replacement you like as well or better and your wallet is not damaged in the process! Take Care, Have Fun GO Team Geezer Racing.....Old and in the Way Arizona Sailing Squadron ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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Re: M_Boats: My British Seagull is missing!!! Stolen ser# EFNRL 22JJI
by Rmceagrella＠aol.com 07 Oct '07

07 Oct '07

Sorry to hear it...had my honda stolen. It makes one sooo mad! Rick M23 Raven ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com

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New Cushions?
by Rick Langer 07 Oct '07

07 Oct '07

Steve, I respectfully disagree with your attempts to moderate this discussion, unless you are a moderator of this list and in that case I think the appropriate approach is for the moderator to deal with these guys off-list. That being said, I think a good fight is always worth the attention of the list. I don't hear anyone complain when boat buyers give Bob Eeg praise. Over the years I have heard of a number of complaints about Bob that for one reason or another people have withheld from the list. I think if it's out in the open we all have a better chance of knowing the truth as compared to the spin sided, candy coated, happy customer BS that we usually hear on this list. So I'm in favor of having disagreements on this list and if anyone every needs assistance in that area feel free to call on me. Rick M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 07:22:01 -0700 > From: Steve and Diana Parsons <sparsons(a)canby.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Cushions? > To: Bob Eeg <bobeeg(a)earthlink.net>, For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <021A52EB-2381-436E-9078-3513D8ED1D86(a)canby.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > Hey folks, > > This needs to go off line. I don't believe it ever should have been > on the list to start with. > > Steve > > > On Oct 6, 2007, at 10:36 PM, Bob Eeg wrote: > >> Scott >> The new set of vinyl cushions were paid for by me weeks ago; in >> addition >> to the the original set of cushions that are in your boat now. >> >> Those free replacement cushions are in the next 17 going to the Bay >> Area >> next friday. No charge. You are a person that is never happy. I have >> bent over backward (in the Grand Scheme of things) paying for and >> assuring >> the correct foam is in stock at the cushion maker; paid for a new >> set and >> all I get from you is petty little girl whining. >> >> You're going to have to wait a few more days and suffer with the >> already >> upgraded cushions you originally picked out. (that are in your boat) >> >> Boxing and shipping cushions by truck doesn't work. I'am not going >> to bend them >> and stuff them in a box; they are going by boat, nice and flat. >> >> We busy as can be; our backorders are practically caught up and we >> are building >> plenty of new boats. >> >> You assume much. Maybe you should........you know..... >> wait to talk to me in person. Don't be afraid. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >>> From: Scott Simpson <scott(a)westofone.com> >>> Sent: Oct 6, 2007 9:26 PM >>> To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >>> Subject: M_Boats: New Cushions? >>> >>> Bob, >>> This is no "prompt": If you are unable to pay your supplier for a >>> simple >>> set of cushions, how can you say you are actively in business? In the >>> grand scheme, the cushions are a petty issue. But they are an >>> indication >>> of how you negligently operate on a grander scale. Keep spinning. >>> It won't >>> be me or Jerry putting you out of business- look in the mirror. >>> Scott Simpson >>> West of One >>> 415. 513.5799 >>> scott(a)westofone.com >>> www.westofone.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >>> >> >> >> Boat Builder

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New Cushion (Redux)
by Scott Simpson 07 Oct '07

07 Oct '07

Ok Bob, I'll simmer down and be patient. Once I have those cushions, I will mentally move on and just go sail. It's been a long time coming. I do have to say many compliment the looks of the boat all the time which is very positive. "One Whiny little girl" To all M-List readers: Posts like these and others (the good, bad, and sometimes ugly) all merit some air time. Life is beautiful, but it may not appear perfect. We all do the best we can- Bob, myself, and others. The beauty of the M-List and other online forums if contributed in a responsible manner, inquiring minds can better gain an understanding of the full picture- hopefully with a balanced point of view. I'll not be commenting on the subject further. Scott Simpson West of One 415. 513.5799 scott(a)westofone.com www.westofone.com

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New Cushions?
by Scott Simpson 06 Oct '07

06 Oct '07

Bob, This is no "prompt": If you are unable to pay your supplier for a simple set of cushions, how can you say you are actively in business? In the grand scheme, the cushions are a petty issue. But they are an indication of how you negligently operate on a grander scale. Keep spinning. It won't be me or Jerry putting you out of business- look in the mirror. Scott Simpson West of One 415. 513.5799 scott(a)westofone.com www.westofone.com

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Re: M_Boats: New Cushions??
by Bob Eeg 06 Oct '07

06 Oct '07

Prompt..?....I guess you didn't plan this message for the M_boats group... We await you next obvious 'set up' . Oh..and V berth cushions are too big to box and ship. -----Original Message----- >From: Frank Durant <fdurant(a)webhart.net> >Sent: Oct 5, 2007 2:00 PM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: M_Boats: New Cushions?? > >If you are in contact with the other !7...maybe he would like a 'promp' type >question from me so he could reply? Have a great weekend > > >> No, but thanks for asking. I don't know what the story is with this other >> M-17 that should have been delivered last month along with replacement >> cushions. I offered to pay the shipping charges for their delivery to me, >> but Bob is adamant about sending them along with this boat. I am still >> waiting. >> >> Scott Simpson >> >> West of One >> >> 300 3rd Street, # 903 >> >> San Francisco, CA 94107 >> >> 415. 328.2668 >> >> scott(a)westofone.com >> >> www.westofone.com >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.1/1050 - Release Date: 10/4/2007 >> 5:03 PM >> >> > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Boat Builder

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Re: M_Boats: Factory prepped for big crossing
by Bob Eeg 06 Oct '07

06 Oct '07

Update on this Passagemaker Montgomery 17... This project is being built for a Pacific crossing. The owner plans on heading south down thru Mexico then jumping off to the South Seas. Eventually, ending up in South Africa. As mentioned before, no engine. Just oars on custom oarlocks mounted on a genny track. The oars are 8 feet long. We are installing a modified Norvane Windvane. The Vane is at the shop and will be mounted before decking the boat. http://www.selfsteering.com/Introduction.asp The vane weights less than an outboard/motor mount..! The main hatch is a custom Aluminum watertight, buikhead door like you would find on a large ship. Hinged on the left and two handles on the right side. The sliding hatch is now just a permanent fiberglass roof that is part of the deck structure; the forward hatch has a Lewmar Ocean series aluminum hatch in place of the standard hatch. The rudder is a stock mahogany that has been glassed over and gelcoated white. The bottom of the Passagemaker M_17 has 5 coats of epoxy and will have a couple of coats of fresh bottom paint just prior to launch. She has two stainless opening ports (from Lewmar) and we are installing stainless hand rails as well. Cooking is a Seaswing Stove; several other mods inside as we continue getting her complete. This has been a fun project; I will try and get some photos of the windvane installation and the overall boat in a couple of days. (Bill..?) Bob www.montgomeryboats.com (949) 489-8227 -----Original Message----- >From: Tim Diebert <tim(a)timtone.com> >Sent: Sep 25, 2007 8:22 AM >To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: M_Boats: Factory prepped for big crossing > >"Hi Tim > > > >I don't think the owner is on this list. He is from Austria and lives in Namibia in Africa. He ordered the boat to be built to where we were ready to deck it; then he flew in for us to add his custom requirements. No engine. Were attaching custom oar locks on a sliding 1.25 inch genny track; watertight hatches, solar charging system, GPS, stainless opening ports..etc windvane (were working on the windvane project this week)..up size some of the cables, cover the rudder in glass..etc.. > > > >An interesting project. Bob" > > > > > >Hey Bob. Thanks for the update. It would be fun to keep up with this project. Do you know where he is leaving from and when? And where his planned destination is? > >Had you or he thought to raise the 'bridge deck' area or raise the lower opening of the companionway? Bigger scuppers? Any keel mods or changes? > >You had mentioned rig changes (I think...?) Staysail? Heavier wire or even extrusions? > >An interesting choice of no motor and oars instead. Leaves more available weight for stores etc. > >What fun. > >Have there been other Atlantic crossings in M17's? (N. Atlantic?) The only major crossing I had heard of was the M15 Little Wing to HI. > > > >Cheers, Tim M17 Puff > > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Boat Builder

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Lake of the Woods Renndezvous!!!! Let's Go!!!
by Rick Langer 06 Oct '07

06 Oct '07

Hey Doug, I just bought a red, white and blue pendant and a Rainbow pendant in Provincetown. I'm a bit reluctant to use the rainbow one (but I do like it) so I was thinking of offering it to Gandhi to use on "Finally". Anyway that does seem like an interesting cruise, but a real haul for us guys on the right bank. I'm getting to really like that fresh water sailing and like Tod said, "A body could really get lost up there". I'd favor an Ontario launch. Frank and I and perhaps others have been kicking around a trip on the Ottawa River along with a return to the North Channel. Maybe we could continue west to the Lake of the Woods. Come on Frank, we'll call it the "Lost Summer Cruise". BTW, I heard citizens of the Empire will need passports to get in and out of Canada next year. Rick M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2007 14:02:45 -0700 (PDT) > From: Doug Kelch <doug_kelch(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: 08 Lake of the Woods Renndezvous!!!! Let's > Go!!! > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <268090.6968.qm(a)web58704.mail.re1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > This National Monty Cruise Concept is really getting interesting. > > The satellite view is incredible. Is there a nautical chart of the area? > > I would be happy to hand off the Admiral pendant for this cruise ;-). > > I have a red pendant and a blue one. We could form two fleets with Bones > as the admiral of the Blue and I could be the subordinate Admiral of the > Red. > > Doug > "Seas the Day" > M15 #310

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Re: M_Boats: 08 Lake of the Woods Renndezvous!!!! Let's Go!!!
by bownez＠juno.com 06 Oct '07

06 Oct '07

Hello Sean And Listers, I will need to investigate a marina/launch area for Lake of the Woods. There are large power boats on the lake and I know there are marinas in Minnesota and in Ontario. The Lowisa launches out of Kenora, on the far north side. Staying in Minnesota will save a lot of driving time. Of course, launching and retrieving an M15 or M17 is rather simple compared to an M23. I know in the San Juans, a travel lift is employed. However, at my marina, My M23 gets pulled by the harbormaster using my trailer (on a rather steep ramp) and his tractor. I launch each spring on my own by simply floating the boat off the trailer. So, the question here is, given a steep launch ramp, is a travel lift needed? I think not. Albeit, 4 wheel drive from a tow vehicle will be required. We can also think about Vermillion, or Leech Lake. I do know of marinas on those lakes which slips sailboats. If there is interest in a Monty regatta, I can certainly begin investigating possible launch areas and looking over charts. Hate to horn in on Larry Yake's, Todd's or Doug's "Admiral" positions! (smile). Later, Bones

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Re: M_Boats: (no subject)
by Larry E Yake 05 Oct '07

05 Oct '07

Arnold, Sails that are designed or modified to work on a furler have a foam or rope luff "filler" of sorts that takes the fullness out of the sail as it is furled so they can maintain a decent sail shape. My 150 is pretty good down to about a 90. It seems to vary a little depending on how the sail is made, but that's seems to be about the maximum range you can expect. I'm in eastern Washington, north of Spokane. I mostly sail in north Idaho, but I trailer all over. Sailed in your area a few years ago, from Portland down to St. Helens and back. Larry On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 18:19:45 -0700 Arnold Sharpe <afsharpe(a)mac.com> writes: > Larry, Thanks for the quick reply! Now, a dumb question, as I have > never sailed with a self furling rig and don't know how they work: > it > it a "all or nothing at all" thing...ie the whole 150 genny or no > headsail at all? > Where are you located and where do you sail? Presently, "Little > Breeze" is on the Columbia River near the town of St. Helens. > Regards..Arnold > On Oct 5, 2007, at 5:48 PM, Larry E Yake wrote: > > > Hi Arnold, > > > > I've used a CDI furler on my M17 for several years and wouldn't > be > > without it. It adds a couple minutes work at launch and take-down > is > > all. I leave the sail (a 150 genoa) furled around the foil, slide > a > > custom made sleeve over it for trailering, and strap it all to the > mast > > for trailering. The CDI furler uses it's own internal halyard, > which > > leaves your original halyard available for hoisting a free flying > > drifter. Or the hanks on your drifter can be modified to use > loops > > with > > wooden beads which loop around the furled headsail and ride up and > down > > it as you raise and lower the sail. I've tried both ways and > prefer to > > fly the drifter free. > > > > Larry > > > > On Fri, 5 Oct 2007 17:14:20 -0700 "Arnold F. Sharpe" > <afsharpe(a)mac.com> > > writes: > >> > >> hello out in Monty Land, > >> I am considering a self furling head sail for my M-17. A couple > of > >> > >> things come to mind: do they present any difficulties when > rigging > >> and > >> derigging the boat for trailing? Presently, I sail in light > winds > >> with > >> a big "Drifter", I assume however that it would not be possible > to > >> hank > >> on the drifter if I had a self furling rig. Thanks in advance > for > >> the > >> input. > >> > >> Regards..Arnold M-17 "Little Breeze" > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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