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Interesting Boat
by Harvey Wilson 18 May '03

18 May '03

>> If anyone wants to see it I will try and get some time to get a few pictures and post them so you can see how far an owner can customize a small boat. You would have to see this thing to believe it.<< It would be great if you could post/send some pix just to see how far you can go on customizing a small sail boat!! Might just give some of us an idea or two. Regards, Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: Mast Raising
by Egatempo＠aol.com 18 May '03

18 May '03

In a message dated 5/17/2003 1:23:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, chonshell(a)ia4u.net writes: > Clarence, Here's the link to page 4 of the M17 photos . . . It shows the > factory mast-raising system: Craig Thanks, I can see how it works. When doing it by yourself there is the danger of wind causing the mast to go to one side or the other unless supported by some baby stays. My boat does not have the metal toe rail to attach to so it will take some thinking as to where to add them. I have used a "A" frame in the past but do not see on the M17 where it can attach. I used the stanchions on my old boat. George Boatless (but not for long) We cannot direct the wind, but we can adjust our sails.

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Long distance towing
by Jerry Duke 18 May '03

18 May '03

Hello, I wonder if it's advisable to tie the boat to the trailer when towing long distances. If so , what is the best way. It seems that tie down straps would chaff the gel coat. Regards, Jerry M17 333 --

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Long distance towing
by Jerry Duke 18 May '03

18 May '03

Hello, I wonder if it's advisable to tie the boat to the trailer when towing long distances. If so , what is the best way. It seems that tie down straps would chaff the gel coat. Regards, Jerry M17 333 -- JD

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Re: M_Boats: Long distance towing
by Wilsometer＠aol.com 17 May '03

17 May '03

In a message dated 5/17/03 5:53:39 PM, jrduke1(a)dslextreme.com writes: >Hello, >I wonder if it's advisable to tie the boat to the trailer when towing >long distances. If so , what is the best way. It seems that tie down >straps would chaff the gel coat. > >Regards, >Jerry M17 333 Jerry, I run my tie down straps (seat belt width) through 1-1/2" I.D. x 3/8" wall Neoprene pipe insulation. This size allows for the strap to remain flat within the insulation (insulation flattens when tightened). The straps run from trailer over the cockpit combings, and back down to the trailer. The tightening buckle is between the two combings. I also attach two safety lines at the bow. One from the stem fitting to the winch post, and the other from stem fitting down to trailer. The bow is entirely captive this way, and cannot bounce or slide back. Haven't had any gel coat damage in more than 7000 miles using this system. Scott, M15#478 'bebe'

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Seagull
by Jerry Duke 17 May '03

17 May '03

Hi Harvey, I have a model 90. 5 HP. I understand that they went out of business and it's hard to get parts. What do you know about this? I use a 25:1 mix. I hope that's OK. Regardgs, Jerry M17 333 -- JD

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Re: M_Boats: M17 New Owner
by Harvey Wilson 17 May '03

17 May '03

>>AND MOST IMPORTANT: What is the size of the receiver on the trailer? - and do you have the proper sized trailer ball on your vehicle?<< Good Show, Connie!! I completely forgot about that little item.!!! When I bought the hitch for my Pathfinder, I got a ball for both sizes (free...they asked me what I wanted<GG>) Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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Re: M_Boats: M17 New Owner
by Harvey Wilson 17 May '03

17 May '03

Hi George.. Stargazer's trailer is brakeless as well....I'm sure that they can be added, but not sure if it's worth the trouble/cost!! I towed over 1500 miles using a Ford Aerostar van..3L engine, auto tranny and Drawtite hitch. No real problems, even in the mountains of E. Tennessee. I did add a medium capacity oil cooler from U-Haul when they installed the hitch. What are you going to tow her with ?? DO check the auto's owners manual on how to tow. The Aerostar manual cautioned you to keep the transmission locked OUT of overdrive/ 4th gear. I don't think that it would have hurt the car any when I brought her to Atlanta from Ft. Myers, Fla., but would have been a problem in the mountains. Get as much info about the trailer's condition...tires, etc. Bring a grease gun for the bearings. Hope they have Bearing Buddies. Also an air pump or a can of flat tire fixer. Those tires may be old, like mine, and have slow leaks in them. Also the best rust buster that you can find, as the tire bolts may b erusted in the drums. Regards, Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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RE: M_Boats: 2-Cycle Oil Recommendation
by Randy Graves 17 May '03

17 May '03

Bill, This is great information. Thank You! I think it is clear to me that it would be better for my 2 cycle Yamaha 4 hp. to mix something less than 100:1. I am thinking I will go with 50 or 60:1. My next quest is to try and find a synthetic and bio-degradeable outboard oil locally in 1 quart containers. I have found it in 1 gal containers at West Marine, per Harvey's recommendation. I calculate 1 gallon would last me about 20 years! I am still curious about the Amsoil 2-cycle synthetic. They recommend their oil to be used in normal application at 100:1, and 50:1 for high heat and high demand racing applications. My father in law swore by Amsoil, he used it in everything he had for over 30 years. Randy Graves M-15 #407 -----Original Message----- From: Wcpritchett(a)aol.com [mailto:Wcpritchett@aol.com] Sent: Sat 5/17/2003 1:53 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Cc: Subject: Re: M_Boats: 2-Cycle Oil Recommendation For what its worth I will pass this info along. I got it from a friend of mine who used to be the head warranty mgr. for OMC International (commercial division outboards) for South America, Bahamas and Bermuda. He flew all over the place inspecting engines for 10 yrs...and is a BSME, PE and MBA. This is dated back to mid 90s just before OMC tanked. OMC only used 100:1 mix for a couple of years and went back to 50:1 because of corrosion problems. They found that people who let their engines sit for months between use were the ones having warranty work. 100:1 doesn't leave enough film on the internal parts to protect long storage. A 100:1 engine is identical to a 50:1 engine. A typical 80s/90s vintage OMC (evinrude/johnson) only needs 150:1 lube at full throttle and 300:1 at idle. There is a huge safety factor in the mfg. specs. He also said it didn't mater which brand you used as long as it was TWC rated. Concerning synthetic...there was no detection of better wear but was cleaner running...so you can go longer between decarbs. He said synthetic was not cost effective for the avg. boater but to use it if racing because it will turn faster. Synthetic does not cling well to internal parts so fogging is suggested for long term storage in humid climates. Here in Florida that means 2 months. Bill

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RE: M_Boats: 2-Cycle Oil Recommendation
by Randy Graves 17 May '03

17 May '03

Harvey, Thanks for your reply and information. We have a West Marine near by, I will check them out. I did stop in and talk with the Yamaha service dept. yesterday about the 100:1 ratio. He laughed and said "not in any outboard I own". I got the hint. My Yamaha 4 hp outboard is 15 year old, but I am guessing it has less than 60 hours on it. Once by mistake I did mix 50:1 as that was what my old Mercury used, and I remember how badly it smoked and had trouble running at slow speeds. I like your idea of 2 oz to 1 gal. or 64:1, that seems like a good compromise. If I need to buy 1 gallon to get a good mixing oil then that is what I will do. I am guessing that and pre-mix oil being synthetic does not necessarily mean biodegradable? I suppose it would say on the bottle. The Yamaha shop was out of their 2-cycle outboard oil in quart size, but the service guy did tell me to be sure and get an oil designed for outboards. He said 2-cycle outboards run much cooler than other 2-cycles and therefore requires a special blend. Thank you, Randy Graves M-15 #407 Meessage----- From: Harvey Wilson [mailto:HarveyWilson@compuserve.com] Sent: Fri 5/16/2003 9:10 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: Subject: M_Boats: 2-Cycle Oil Recommendation Hi Randy.. I use a biodegradable oil in my Seagulls, mainly because they require a high gas-oil mix in the older engine (25-1) My two newer engines (1989 & 1992) are the QB series that recommend a 50-1 mix. When I bought Stargazer, she wore a 1987 Evinrude 8hp Yachtwin, longshaft. The owners manual recommended 100-1 gas-oil mix. I called Evinrude tech support to order a service manual and info on the alternator that was in it. We also talked about the gas-oil mix, and they recommended that I use a 50-1 mix, as they were getting a lot of warranty repairs when 100-1 was used. I compromised with a 64-1 mix...2 oz. in a gallon. Their website also touted their synthetic oil, and I bought a gallon (only size available !!!). After 5 years, I still have over 2 quarts left...and I use it in several other 2 cycle garden engines as well ! Penzoil makes a synthetic...West Marine only sells it in a gallon size, but after relating how Mobil 1 saved the engine of my Pathfinder, I have little trouble selling it over oil costing a half as much. ( I work P/time at W-M). I've seen the Penzoil synthetic at WalMart in quarts, as well as a 100% synthetic lower gear oil that I'll use instead of the synthetic blend that I now use. Perhaps I'm going a bit overboard in both gas-oil and tranny oil, but I use so little that the cost isn't a factor....and I love my Seagulls like I love Stargazer<GG> I've thought about Amsoil, for both car and boat use, but would have had to order from the factory as there was no dealer close by. Do check into the 100-1 mix. My Seagull manual suggested breaking it in at a 25-1 ratio for the first 10 hours. I've talked to 2 Seagull sales and service shops and they suggest I not use the 50-1 mix. Perhaps they're mired in the 10-1 and 25-1 ratios of the original and mid-life models, but I again compromise by adding a tad more oil (3 oz instead of 2.6 oz.) Harvey/ Ga M-17 Stargazer #294 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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