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RE: M_Boats: self righting
by Smith, Tom 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

The M15 cb is really very lightweight. I doubt its deployment would have helped Murray. And it is possible the board being down would help but probably more so in the case of large seas, as in my understanding, it's getting the boat up off horizontal on a steep swell that causes it to more easily trip. I'm with you on the hasp deal, and I've considered them but just neglected to do anything about the situation. Any recommendations of great, unobtrusive, locker hasps? t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Honshells [mailto:chonshell@ia4u.net] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 4:44 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: self righting Practically every boat review I've read says boats (of all sizes) should have hasps on their cockpit lockers, a feature many manufacturers don't offer (easy enough for buyers to add their own). After reading Murray's post, I'm considering them more seriously. Would a centerboard retracted into its trunk inhibit righting? The result is less surface to brace against to right the boat, but the Montys' ballast is slung low, either way. Another question: I have been told that when conditions get dicey, I'm less likely to suffer a knock-down if the board is up. The theory is that, without the board's resistance, the boat will "skitter" sideways in a gust, rather than going over. What's the consensus? ----- Original Message ----- From: <s.mcclellan(a)attbi.com> To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:38 AM Subject: self righting Murray--I agree with Rich that the details of your experience with the M-15 knock-down would be of interest to all of us. Whatever details you can provide about the events leading up to it could help us to avoid losing all the stuff in our cockpit lockers as well. One other question: did you notice-- did the centerboard swing back up into the slot when she went over? It seems likely given your description of her position in the water, and if so, then it is very possible that this contributed to the lack of self-righting, and it would behoove M15 owners to seriously consider some kind of down-position locking mechanism for the centerboard. Also, what kind of positive floatation does she carry. This was a big discussion in this group last winter. I personally have NO added floatation in my M15, but I know a lot of people do, and I am definitely planning to add some sooner or later. (Maybe a lot sooner, now that I've heard your story.) Thanks for sharing! -- Steve McClellan~~M15~#152~~Chicago _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses.

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Small Craft Advisor
by Honshells 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Did anyone else receive their new-format 8 1/2" X 11" "Small Craft Advisor" issue shredded to bits?

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Re: M_Boats: self righting
by s.mcclellan＠attbi.com 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Murray--I agree with Rich that the details of your experience with the M-15 knock-down would be of interest to all of us. Whatever details you can provide about the events leading up to it could help us to avoid losing all the stuff in our cockpit lockers as well. One other question: did you notice-- did the centerboard swing back up into the slot when she went over? It seems likely given your description of her position in the water, and if so, then it is very possible that this contributed to the lack of self-righting, and it would behoove M15 owners to seriously consider some kind of down-position locking mechanism for the centerboard. Also, what kind of positive floatation does she carry. This was a big discussion in this group last winter. I personally have NO added floatation in my M15, but I know a lot of people do, and I am definitely planning to add some sooner or later. (Maybe a lot sooner, now that I've heard your story.) Thanks for sharing! -- Steve McClellan~~M15~#152~~Chicago

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M15 Anchoring System
by Joe Kidd 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Steve, Oops! I just checked the WM catalogue. My Bruce anchor is the 11-pound model. They don't sell an 8-pound Bruce. Must be getting senile... first M-14; now this. Gotta watch for those typoflopical errors. My primary anchor is an 11 (eleven) pound Bruce, with 16-feet of chain and 150 feet of 1/2-inch nylon rode. I know it is overkill, but I had it on a former larger boat and decided to keep it for Poco. The secondary anchor is a galvanized Danforth knockoff (haven't weighed it but I estimate 12-15 pounds), with 15 feet of chain and 100 feet of 1/2-inch nylon rode. l stow both of them in the port cockpit locker in a plastic basket. The Danforth w/chain and rode is in a canvas bag to keep the anchors and rodes from getting tangled. To be honest, I have not been happy with this anchor and intend to replace it with something like the WM 8-pound traditional anchor. I deploy and weigh the anchors from the cockpit, since I usually sail single-handed. From the cockpit I can control the sails, sheets, halyards, outboard, anchor., etc. I plan to break my anchor rodes into 50-foot sections (ala Connie) for more convenience. I haven't yet figured what method of attachment to use between the sections. Perhaps Connie can advise us on his technique. Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco A Poco" > >

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M15 Anchoring System
by Joe Kidd 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Steve, Oops! I just checked the WM catalogue. My Bruce anchor is the 11-pound model. They don't sell an 8-pound Bruce. Must be getting senile... first M-14; now this. Gotta watch for those typoflopical errors. My primary anchor is an 11 (eleven) pound Bruce, with 16-feet of chain and 150 feet of 1/2-inch nylon rode. I know it is overkill, but I had it on a former larger boat and decided to keep it for Poco. The secondary anchor is a galvanized Danforth knockoff (haven't weighed it but I estimate 12-15 pounds), with 15 feet of chain and 100 feet of 1/2-inch nylon rode. l stow both of them in the port cockpit locker in a plastic basket. The Danforth w/chain and rode is in a canvas bag to keep the anchors and rodes from getting tangled. To be honest, I have not been happy with this anchor and intend to replace it with something like the WM 8-pound traditional anchor. I deploy and weigh the anchors from the cockpit, since I usually sail single-handed. From the cockpit I can control the sails, sheets, halyards, outboard, anchor., etc. I plan to break my anchor rodes into 50-foot sections (ala Connie) for more convenience. I haven't yet figured what method of attachment to use between the sections. Perhaps Connie can advise us on his technique. Joe Kidd M15 #207 "Poco A Poco"

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M15 Anchoring System
by Steve Foster 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Response to Joe Kidd M14 #207 "Poco A Poco When you say 'small Bruce' does that mean the 4 or 8 lbs anchor? What size of Dan Forth do you use? Thanks for the input. Steve M15 #612 __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: M_Boats: M15 Anchor Systems
by chbenneck＠juno.com 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Steve, I use a small Bruce copy - 4 lbs. - and I stow it and it's rode in the port sail locker, as well as an aluminum Danforth type of anchor and it's rode. Having two anchors and rodes is just an insurance policy. If you are anchored and someone in a motorboat comes too close and cuts your rode with his propeller; then what? You just reach for No. 2. In fact, being a former big boat sailor, I also have a 7 lb. Fortress, with chain and rode in the forward compartment of my M15; just in case................ I may never use it, but it is a very comforting thought to know that it is there. Connie M15 #400 LEPPO

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RE: M_Boats: self righting
by Smith, Tom 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Wow Murray. I've been knocked down a few times--enough once to ship water into the cockpit, but never had the mast in the water. Did you release the the sheets? I can see where if your sails were in the water and the sheets weren't allowed to run the M15 would struggle to right itself. But stand on the keel!? Whoa. I too would like know the conditions of your adventure. tom Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: s.mcclellan(a)attbi.com [mailto:s.mcclellan@attbi.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:39 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: self righting Murray--I agree with Rich that the details of your experience with the M-15 knock-down would be of interest to all of us. Whatever details you can provide about the events leading up to it could help us to avoid losing all the stuff in our cockpit lockers as well. One other question: did you notice-- did the centerboard swing back up into the slot when she went over? It seems likely given your description of her position in the water, and if so, then it is very possible that this contributed to the lack of self-righting, and it would behoove M15 owners to seriously consider some kind of down-position locking mechanism for the centerboard. Also, what kind of positive floatation does she carry. This was a big discussion in this group last winter. I personally have NO added floatation in my M15, but I know a lot of people do, and I am definitely planning to add some sooner or later. (Maybe a lot sooner, now that I've heard your story.) Thanks for sharing! -- Steve McClellan~~M15~#152~~Chicago _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses.

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self righting
by Richard Cottrell 16 Jan '03

16 Jan '03

Murray: What is your M15's hull number? Prior to experiencing the gust of wind what was your point of sail (reaching, running, close hauled)? Were there two of you on board? Thank's for sharing your experience with us. Man, I'm surprised!! Rich Cottrell, "Really"

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test
by Theo Petron 15 Jan '03

15 Jan '03

Checking my latitude...

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