March 2002 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

centerboard problems
by Donald Andrew Miller 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Hi all, Pretty new Montgomery 17 owner here. I brought the boat to Florida and am plannig to sail out of Tarpon Springs for the next month. However, yesterday, when I tried to lower the centerboard, the rope ripped a section of the board out, and the centerboard crashed into full down position, where it's been ever since. I dove down to have a look, and the section of the board above the rope hole was just ripped out. I've got her in the water now, with the centerboard in full down position, and the rope is completely separated from the board/winch/cleat which should be holding the board up. We're going to haul her out at high tide today (2:45 pm) and have a look at it, but I'm wondering what can be done. Will I need to replace the whole centeboard? Can I drill a new hole and attach the rope to it? This is an older boat (1975) and I'm afraid the whole board is rotten. Has anyone seen/heard/read of a problem like this? Fair Winds, Donald Miller "Coquette" #66 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/

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Re: M_Boats: centerboard problems
by Conbert H Benneck 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Hi Cal, Jerry's comments refer to the M17. On the M15, you have to have a knot in the centerboard pennant to keep the board from hitting the edge of the C/B slot. Lower your board all the way - carefully; don't just let it drop - note where the pennant is and then put a knot in the pennant to keep the board's weight on the knot, and not hitting the C/B slot. Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Re: M_Boats: Re: M_Boats Introduction
by Conbert H Benneck 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Hi Deena and Harvey, The unit I have is a SONY CD player which is the size of a regular flapjeck. The SONY speakers (the pair), cost about $5, and have a SONY Part Number SRS-P3. Makes great music in the boat, and I also use it for playing a single CD in the car (car adapter) and at home it is my CD player for my Hi-Fi system. Three uses for one piece of gear! Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.

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Fwd: Re: M_Boats: New member [s]
by daideo＠webtv.net 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Steve, i`m trying to `re` send this. Somehow my replies aren't going through. Hope this one will. Terry " If a man speaks in the forest, and there`s no women to hear him,is he still wrong" S.W.

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Stern Ladder Mounting
by Harvey Hochstetter 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Thanks to everyone for the interesting and helpful ideas, from type of material ( the cutting board,) to the various methods of getting it back into position without getting stuck there to enjoy sailing from the inside, under the cockpit sole, and stretched out lying down. It demonstrates how varied, talented and helpful the Montgomery sailors are. Your willingness is exemplary. I'm off for the next week. Will miss the list for a bit but will be anxious to get back to it. Anxious for April 7 too, first day out to the river this spring. Happy Sails to You Harvey & Deena H M-15 #348 "Pelican"

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Re: M_Boats: Re: M_Boats Introduction
by Harvey Hochstetter 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Connie, Thanks for the great idea. I have a portable CD player, just never thought of it for the canoe. The whole package fits into a 4x6x6 package, and I have definite plans to enjoy it on PELICAN. Harvey >>> chbenneck(a)juno.com 03/18/02 08:15AM >>> Hi Deena and Harvey, Thanks for your kind words. When I'm out sailing I want my peace and quiet; I want to hear the gurgle of a chuckling bow wave; not the high pitched whine of PWCs wake jumping; or Cigarettes with 2 x 1000 HP engines that you hear coming for five minutes and going for five minutes. Maybe it's high time to set up a silence preserve for sailors and paddlers: the cry of the loon; the splash of a fish; those are the loudest noises I want to hear! By the way, last year I bought a SONY CD player and two small SONY speakers for LEPPO. Now I can enjoy good music while sailing and the unit's size make them ideal for a Montgomery 15. Almost 0 space requirement; runs on AA batteries (25 hours); weighs ounces, and produces great sound. Would work in your canoe too! Connie ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: centerboard problems
by AirEvacLen＠aol.com 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

In a message dated 3/18/02 11:18:27 AM US Mountain Standard Time, capteugene(a)yahoo.com writes: > Don, It must have been a replaced cbd, because as > far as I'm aware, all the boats up to 1985 had cast > iron c'boards That's what I was wondering.......... Lenny

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Stern Ladder Mounting
by Harvey Hochstetter 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

Lewis, Stan, and Randy, Thanks for the response. From what I know already it isn't going to be easy, but then that just makes it more worth while doesn't it. I am still wondering about that aft wall thickness, and what type of backing plate, (ie stainless plate, marine plywood, etc) or large fender washer. I'm not particularly small, so I'm sure it will be a challenge to get it into place. While I'm there, I would like to install a stainless, adjustable OB mount also, on the port side though. Sort of make them look like they should match. Any further comments are always welcome. Harvey & Deena H M-15 #348 "Pelican" Walla Walla, WA

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Re: M_Boats: new boat
by Mark Pavuk 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

Connie, Thanks for all the good advice. I don't know if the pennant is frayed - Joe just mentioned that it hadn't been changed for years and that it might be a good idea to change it. I have a friend who is good at working on boats and will ask him to check it . He is going to paint the bottom for me and check it over carefully, so I will pass on your advice. Cherri ---------- >From: Conbert H Benneck <chbenneck(a)juno.com> >To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: M_Boats: new boat >Date: Mon, Mar 18, 2002, 10:01 AM > >Hi Cherri, > >I can't help with changing out the centerboard pennant. That is >something I haven't done, and from the look of mine, don't anticipate >doing it for years to come. > >My first question: Is the pennant really frayed and needing replacement, >or is this just a "let's do it and start from square 1 knowing it is OK"? > >The M Archives have a lot of correspondence about removing the >centerboard, so if you really want to change the pennant, you will >probably have to drop the centerboard first; then install the new pennant >and then replace the board in it's slot. > >First piece of advice re: centerboards: The pennant has to have a knot >in it so that the board can't go to it's lowest position. The reason >being, the weight of the board and the lever-arm at the centerboard pin >could cause damage if the board is allowed to drop all the way without >putting in the knot as a stop. > >The easiest way to find the right place for the knot is to very gently >lower the board (with the boat in the water) to find out how far down it >goes. Now pull it up about 2 inches: that is where you want the knot to >stop the descent of the board. > >The knot now takes the loading of the weight of the board, not the board >mounting pin. > > ------------- > >Rigging the boat is simple. You have a forestay, and two shrouds. These >three hold the mast in position. > >I use the aft holes in the chain plates in order to get a bit of mast >rake aft - which Jerry recommends for better upwind performance. > >Getting the forestay in place, if you have the original pin in the "U" >channel is a chore. After doing this once or twice I hollered for help >and was advised to get a "Quick Release Shroud Lever" WEST Catalog page >486 Item No. 24175. This shroud release lever allows you to put a quick >release pin - Avibank Ball-Lok Quick-Release Pin WEST Catalog page 197 >(sorry I can't give you the length I used, you'll have to measure it) in >the bow fitting. This attaches the forestay to the bow fitting. > >Then you can flip the lever on the Quick Release Shroud Lever and tension >the forestay. The unit comes with a ball pin that you then put in place, >and your rig is up and reay for action. > >While raising the mast, I use the jib halyard to help raise the mast and >to hold it in position while I fasten the Quick Release Shroud Lever. > > -------- > >I put a small Harken block at the mast head and run a thin line to the >boom to act as a topping lift. The topping lift is cleated off near the >boom on the mast (Stbd side). > > ------- > >I don't know what kind of a mast support you have at the stern of the >boat. On mine, the original stainless steel tube had been shortened. >This meant that I couldn't get the mast to clear the edge of the >companionway hatch while getting the mast end into the cheeks and >inserting the bolt to hold the mast in place. > >I had to build a support extension, which then gave me the right angle so >that the foot of the mast was properly in the mast cheeks and I could put >in the bolt. > >Give it a dry run at home to make sure how it works - and if it works! > >Connie > > > >________________________________________________________________ >GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! >Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! >Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. > >_______________________________________________ >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Stern Ladder Mounting
by Harvey Wilson 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

Hi Harvey.. >>I'm soliciting thoughts on 1. practicality of the platform. << 2. durability of (stainless/teak) platform, << I have one on my M-17. Very old. It was on in the Gulf/Mexico for several years before I bought it (5-6 years ago) and brought it the Atlanta. >>3. the idea of using the platform for a fuel storage accessory. << Methinks it would put the stern down too much, unless you'te talking of a gallon or two ar best. >> 4. need of backing the mount on the inboard side of the transom, and 5. the thickness of that stern transom wall.<< My M-17 has a pretty thich stern...dunno about m-15 <sigh> Harvey/Ga M-17 Stargazer #294

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