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RE: RHCP
by Sean Murphy 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

<<To me, nothing of the funk-metal era holds up > nowadays (including > Living Colour) i think it's a tremendous disservice to label living colour "funk metal", especially if it's to dis them. there is more soul and authenticity in any one LC song than, say, RHCP's entire catalog. -----Original Message----- From: Efrén del Valle [mailto:efrendv@yahoo.es] Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:53 AM To: francko.lamerikx(a)philips.com; zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: RHCP --- francko.lamerikx(a)philips.com escribió: > > I now consider them one of the most overrated bands > in existence. > I will actually turn off the radio when one of their > songs is on. > I almost hate them as much as I hate the Smashing > Pumpkins, another > serious contender for most overrated act ever. I think their records from "One Hot Minute" on are bordering on the ridiculous. I'd rather not mention the Smashing Pumpkins. They're no longer working, right? (please say they're not!) > To me, nothing of the funk-metal era holds up > nowadays (including > Living Colour). The only band that I think is still > interesting > is Faith No More, but I don't think they were ever > really interested > in making funk metal, at least they weren't anymore > when their > masterpiece "Angel Dust" came out. And then there's > Primus, who, > sadly, have never managed to surpass "Frizzle Fry" > in my opinion... We had a long discussion here a while ago. I think the problem with them (and particularly with Les Claypool) is that they've always been doing the same stuff, over and over again, even in Claypool's sideprojects. The downside of it is they lost their sense of humor along the way, more exactly in "Pork Soda", and what came after is just a dull version of what they did before. > The reception of Frusciante's solo records is > strange... Some of the avant-garde > crowd love them, including some friends of mine who > are into "deep listening" > and field recordings... They were absolutely weird albums. I don't know to which extent they were truly honest or whether those stories about drug-abuse and "surrender to worlds of personal demons and unstoppable artistic creation" were 100% veracious. The guy's looks have changed remarkably, so it's obvious that something wrong happened. "Niandra Lades" gets slightly boring by the end, but I found "Smile From the Streets You Hold" (Birdman Records, now out-of-print) to be fascinating in some strange way. If it wasn't honest, the guy deserves an Oscar. Best, Efrén del Valle ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... http://messenger.yahoo.es _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list

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RE: RHCP
by francko.lamerikx＠philips.com 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

> You should definitely check their documentary "Funky > Monks". I'm not sure if it has been released on dvd, > but it documents the "BSSM" recording in that Malibu > house you mentioned. I enjoyed the film a lot and it > features a still-fresh Frusciante, right before > breaking down. > Although the general impression is that Frusciante's > two first solo albums are crap, the truth is I love > them, specially "Niandra Lades..." on Birdman. Sad > that it's out-of-print. I thought the Peppers were relatively fresh during their "Freaky Styley" / "Uplift Mofo Party Plan" period. That's also when I saw them give a good concert here in Holland, albeit very brief at under one hour (that was Frusciante's 20th birthday if I'm not mistaken, so it must have been a concert in support of "Mother's Milk", an album I have never liked; but the concert still rocked.) Their style got stale rather soon, though, and by the time they started touring "BSSM" I think they had already lost it - I have seen them a couple of times in the period '92-'93, and all these concerts were bad in the extreme. Lousy playing, uninspired stage presence, increasing reliance on gimmicks (Flea in his underwear and that kind of thing), short concerts at ever increasing venue sizes and ticket prices. I now consider them one of the most overrated bands in existence. I will actually turn off the radio when one of their songs is on. I almost hate them as much as I hate the Smashing Pumpkins, another serious contender for most overrated act ever. To me, nothing of the funk-metal era holds up nowadays (including Living Colour). The only band that I think is still interesting is Faith No More, but I don't think they were ever really interested in making funk metal, at least they weren't anymore when their masterpiece "Angel Dust" came out. And then there's Primus, who, sadly, have never managed to surpass "Frizzle Fry" in my opinion... The reception of Frusciante's solo records is strange... Some of the avant-garde crowd love them, including some friends of mine who are into "deep listening" and field recordings... Frankco

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rare Shannon Jackson cds
by Mark Cook 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

RSJ is selling cds on his site... very pricey. http://www.cymbatamusic.com/ Mark oddly enough, today on ebay someone was selling cd-r's of nasty and eye on you, mastered from vinyl and SIGNED by RSJ himself! there was a cd copy of street priest too, but supposedly legit. those albums really do deserve a proper compact disc release. sean --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes

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RE: Ulmer
by Andreas Dietz 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Street Priest was reissued on CD by Moers Music: http://www.moers-music.com/catalog/index.html the website pretends all is available but I donÂ´t think so. An email referring to this some months ago remained unanswered... there are lots of great moers recordings: Sunny Murray Trio - Live at Moers 1979 Fred Anderson Quintet - Another Place Rozie / Rozie / Ali - afro algoniquin David Moss Dense Band Ned Rothenberg Double Band - Overlays etc Andreas np: Legendary Marvin Pontiac (Strange & Beautiful) >From: "Sean Westergaard" <seawes(a)allmusic.com> > >oddly enough, today on ebay someone was selling cd-r's of nasty and eye on >you, mastered from vinyl and SIGNED by RSJ himself! there was a cd copy of >street priest too, but supposedly legit. those albums really do deserve a >proper compact disc release. > >sean > > >So what is the story Steve? > >Should we be looking for RSJ's Moers albums on >Cunieform in the (near) future? I'm sure many folks >could suggest other Moers sessions that could use a CD >reissue as well. _________________________________________________________________ WuÃten Sie, daÃ Sie Ihren Hotmail-Posteingang auch Ã¼ber den MSN Messenger abrufen kÃ¶nnen? http://messenger.msn.de Jetzt kostenlos downloaden und einfach testen!

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Non-Zorn FS/FA NEW: ICE - "Under The Skin" CD
by pm.carey＠utoronto.ca 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

Currently up for grabs... a NEW/MINT copy of this gem: # ICE - "Under The Skin" UK CD (Pathological: PATH11CD) 1993 [K. Martin (vocals, samples, tenor sax), J. Broadrick (guitar, programming), A. Buess (tenor sax), Dave Cochrane (bass), and J. Jobbagy (drums). Stark electronics, fractured dub, bleak funk, blunted out-hop. Essential. NEW copy. Out of print.] -- ASKING: BEST OFFER / $40 - 60 US / 35 - 55 Euro -- BUY IT NOW: $75 US / 65 Euro -- Serious offers in USD, EUR, GBP, CAD. -- AIR MAIL POSTAGE depends on DESTINATION. -- SCANS uploaded on request. PLEASE NOTE: I _do not_ accept PayPal. Sorry. Buyer references available... -Patrick pm.carey(a)utoronto.ca

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2003: favorite live performances
by Jeff Caltabiano 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

I only went to half as many shows as I did last year. Nonetheless, these were my favorites: 1. John Zorn's Electric Masada @ Tonic, NYC, 4/2 2. Vandermark 5 @ Rocco, LA, 6/29 3. The Bad Plus @ Village Underground, NYC, 4/1 4. Sam Rivers Trio @ The Jazz Bakery, LA, 9/25 (Sam's 80th b-day) 5. Dave Douglas Septet @ The Jazz Standard, NYC, 3/30 some other memorable gigs: Tri-Factor (Hamiet Bluiett/ Kahlil El'Zabar/ Billy Bang) @ World Stage, LA, 5/15 Michael Blake & his Resolutions @ Tonic, NYC, 12/30 Fred Anderson Quintet (w/ Von Freeman, 2nd set) @ St. Joseph's Church, Chicago, 10/17 David Murray duo @ Conga Room, LA, 6/22 Paul Motian/ Joe Lovano/ Bill Frisell @ Village Vanguard, NYC, 9/5 Maghostut Trio (Malachi Favors/ Hannah Taylor/ Vincent Davis) @ The Velvet Lounge, Chicago, 10/16 Joseph Jarman/ Henry Grimes/ Alex Cline trio @ The Schindler House, LA, 9/20 Adam Rudolph's Organic Chamber Orchestra w/ Ned Rothenberg @ Electric Lodge, LA, 1/3 Eugene Chadbourne duo/trio @ Salvation Theatre, LA, 5/5 James Blood Ulmer trio (w/ Reggie Workman & Andrew Cyrille) @ The Jazz Bakery, LA, 1/31 I've just started going through all the 2003 albums i bought this year, so a list is forthcoming...in a month or so when i've had a chance to listen to them all again. jeff caltabiano hollywood, ca n.p. the cinematic orchestra: man with a movie camera (2003, ninja tune)

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RE: And the wind cries .. . Mary
by Matthew Garrington 16 Jan '04

16 Jan '04

I'll second Rootless Cosmopolitans as being ahead of the game. . . It does sound a bit "early '90s" but that doesn't stop it from being a good album (just like how Ambitious Lovers sounds unmistakably "80's"---Gotta love that song "Lust" though). Anyone ever see R.C.? I was lucky enough to see Ralph Carney w/Marc Ribot & Smokey Hormel. Good stuff. It was Carney's project, but hearing them play some disjointed music together was a real treat. I don't know why folks want to compare jazz outings like Rootless Cosmopolitans with pop acts like the Chili Peppers or Faith No More for that matter. It's different music produced for different reasons. James Brown & Maceo had the tightest funk around, but I wouldn't compare their funk with, say, the Art Ensemble of Chicago. No reason for it. One is a bit more intellectual than the other, and one is a bit more rooted in, how do you say it, "the one." Roots music will always have a different agenda that doesn't appease folks that approach music from a purely intellectually standpoint. That's not to say that roots music can't be intellectual or that intellectual music can't be roots oriented. It just means that good music is good music, and much gets lost in the translation of comparisons . .. Matt -----Original Message----- --------------------------------- These opinions come as a surprise. Both Rootless Cosmopolitans records have always seemed revolutionary to me. Major inspiration. The only reason I don't listen to them so much anymore is because I OD'd on them years ago. Contrarily to my good impression on their first outing, I didn't really like "Requiem For What's-His-Name", excluding from that distaste their killer "Caravan" take, which is some of the best guitar work I've heard from Ribot. Lovely. Best, Efrin del Valle n.p: Marc Ducret "L'ombra di verdi" (Screwgun) ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versisn GRATIS Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y mas... http://messenger.yahoo.es

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first word on victo
by Kurt Gottschalk 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

on the ex's new website <http://www.theex.nl>, it says they'll be playing the victoriaville festival on 5/24 and thermal (andy ex/moore, john butcher and thomas lehn) on the 25th. do i win something? kg _________________________________________________________________ High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet Software. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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useless muzik for non-brainfull people
by vincent scarset 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

hey, that's the captain, lashing news from Hong Kong, do someone have an idea about how muzik is dead here? no free party, mean free house party, no death metal or hard core concerts, no real jazz, just sometimes in very closed places for closed people, hip hop is trying to grow up a little bit, try this : LMF=Lazy Mother Fucker, if you don't understand cantoneese, believe me those sons of bitch are really good... but after LMF, HK's muzik is dead, even if the chineese muzik is full off hope to share interresting floating spirit, I guess... not enough H here to share and deal with the bars... need help, we try to organise free beach party on lama island, but dj's are afraid of my sound, just to illogic to be played, so I try my best to produce a traditionnal mix between metal, jazz-rock, rap, hard tech and traditionnal muzik, but such a long way to go... people in the zorn list, please ear my complain, if some of you are in Hong Kong, we must work hand in hand... themain idea is to rent a tanker on the port to party... play free muzik in bars and just share tha smoking sounds................ every one take care, tha floating spirit is still blowing down.... hope for the best _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger http://g.msn.fr/FR1001/866 : dialoguez en son et en images avec vos amis

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RE: RHCP
by Sean Murphy 15 Jan '04

15 Jan '04

before RHCP got big (pre BSSM), they played my college (George Mason Univ) my freshman year (in 89) and this turns out to be the gig where one (or more?) of them were charged for sexual battery. if i recall it was a simple matter of one of them dropping their pants backstage but you can imagine all the people who claimed "they were there" and saw the lead singer whipping it out in front of the whole crowd, a la Jim morrison. -----Original Message----- From: SELC - Andrew Mortensen [mailto:andrewm@mail.selc.com.au] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:42 PM To: Zorn-List (E-mail) Subject: RE: RHCP on another list I'm on, there was a tonne of RHCP bashing, it's actually funny. my fav thing of them is "BSSM" as I love the way this albums sounds, not to mention the songs. the drums, with that huge room sound (didn't they record at a mansion at Malibu?). and what I really admire about Fruscante, is (I'm not a guitarist, but this is what I've heard) doesn't he just go direct into the desk, no amp, just fx or maybe some sort of pre-amp..???? it's a great sound on that album! flea is 'yeah' but like many bass players, I'd rather listen to the 'real' funk players, Bootsy, Larry Graham, George Porter Jr (the Meters) - but still he's great & inspired many youngins to pick up the bass. I liked some song on "One Hot Minute" but that was mainly due to Navaro's influence, nice stuff - (I once saw on cable a Jane's Addition show, & the band was RHCP just with Perry). Andrew n.p: Deicide - Scars of The Crucifix -----Original Message----- From: zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:zorn-list-bounces+andrewm=mail.selc.com.au@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of skip heller Sent: Thursday, 15 January 2004 8:11 PM To: Efrén del Valle; Peter Gannushkin; SELC - Andrew Mortensen Subject: Re: James Blood Ulmer Actually, Ribot's maiden voyage didn;t function well at the time of its release. Nobody liked it all that much. I worked in a record store when it came out, and the people who were excited that it came out were soon enough the people who were not thrilled to have sat thru it. Ribot's reputation was really made off those three Waits albums, and SPIKE. Little wonder such a huge reputation was made. The live version of "16 Shells" fr BIG TIME still delivers. As for the Red Hot Chilli Peppers, they definitely came up with a sound that was theirs. I have to respect that, even if I'm not a fan. Few people ever do that. My personal "white intellectual funk out" record was the second Ambitious Lovers album. Still sounds good to me, too. It's really slick, but that works in the context of the record. I never got the sense that Ribot owed that much to Quine, whose playing I also know quite well (or rather I did up to about that time -- I can only listen to so much Lou Reed). sh > Although the Rootless Cosmopolitans stuff sounds quite > outdated now, I think it was a good album for the > time. While many bands in the early 90's were trying > to figure out how to blend funk and rock in the > trendiest way and the results were... well, the > Peppers. Ribot managed to incorporate those and pop, > free-jazz, noise, etc in a coherent way. I know many > who could do without "The Wind Cries Mary" though. It > sounds a bit better in the Shrek live album. > It's a pity that Robert Quine is so underrecorded, > specially considering how much Ribot owes him. > > Best, > > Efrén del Valle > > > > ___________________________________________________ > Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS > Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... > http://messenger.yahoo.es _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list

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