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Frith's guitar
by Craig Lieske 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

Jeez guys, I know how a pickup works, I just couldn't identify that as such. Maybe I need glasses or something? I have played guitar for almost half my life.... Craig L. _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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Frith's guitar
by Craig Lieske 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

Jeez guys, I know how a pickup works, I just couldn't identify that as such. Maybe I need glasses or something? I have played guitar for almost half my life.... Craig L. _________________________________________________________________ Let the new MSN Premium Internet Software make the most of your high-speed experience. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/prem&ST=1

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Re: Re: Frith's Guitar
by Renaud BERTRAND 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

Zappa had the same kind of equipement back in the early 70s (a Marcus Berry type). It catches better the left-handed played notes (mostly unpicked notes for Zappa, lots of other things for Frith). > Message du 19/01/04 19:43 > De : David Beardsley > A : Craig Lieske > Copie à : zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > Objet : Re: Frith's Guitar > Craig Lieske wrote: > > > Hey everybody, maybe one of you guys can answer this: I have been > > watching Fred Frith's "step Across the Border", and I am wondering > > just what the hell that black box-type thing is on the headstock of > > his guitar. I've been playing guitar for years, and just can't seem to > > figure out what the hell that thing is. It's driving me crazytrying to > > figure out its' purpose. > > Craig L. > > It's a pickup. > > -- > * David Beardsley > * microtonal guitar > * http://biink.com/db > > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list >

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Venomous Concept
by kev booyaka 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

damn! no Mick Harris after all... oh well, read further: VENOMOUS CONCEPT, the new band featuringMELVINS/FANTOMAS guitarist Buzz Osborne, ex-BRUTAL TRUTH singer Kevin Sharp, plus NAPALM DEATH members Shane Embury (bass) and Danny Herrera (drums), will be performing at the Double Door in Chicago, Illinois on Friday, February 13. Also set to appear are NAUSEA L.A., the acclaimed deathcore merchants featuring former TERRORIZER vocalist Oscar Garcia. Tickets are priced at $13 in advance or $15 the day of the show. Doors open at 8:00 p.m. The Double Door is located at 1572 N. Milwaukee in Chicago. Tel.: (773) 489-3160. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the "Signing Bonus" Sweepstakes

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kayo dot release/also maudlin of the well?
by ericksna＠umich.edu 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

what do people think of the kayo dot release - the samples I've heard sound interesting, although they haven't really given me an idea of what the 'metal' aspects of this recording are? And for those who do like this release, how does it compare to maudlin of the well (to which I am also unitiated)? nathan Great recommendation on the stickmen by the way! Does anyone interested in gang of four also have an affinity for the Big Boys.

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Re: Morton Subotnick DVD
by Herb Levy 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

Efr?n del Valle<efrendv(a)yahoo.es> asked: > >Does anyone own/has seen Subotnick's "Electronic >Works" DVD and would care to comment? It looks pretty >interesting, I'd just need a bit of encouragement to >order it! > Hi Efren, I like Subotnick's work quite well, but the DVD package is an odd one, so you'll need to consider whether it's worth getting the DVD over the CD. The CD has good stereo recordings of three works by Subotnick: Touch (1969); A Sky of Cloudless Suphur (1978) & Gestures (1999-2000). The two earlier pieces are for electronics alone, Gestures: It Begins With Colors includes Joan La Barbara's voice amidst the electronics (BTW, this recording seems to be only one of the work's four sections). (For both the CD & DVD versions of the music Subotnick went back to the original masters and made new stereo and multi-channel mixes. &, FWIW, you might should note that the multi-channel mixes for these pieces were made for four equal speakers, rather than the common DVD 5.1 setup with smaller back speakers.) The DVD is pressed on both sides. One side has a DVD-Audio version of these works in 48Khz/24-bit sound in both stereo and surround-sound mixes. The other side is DVD-Video and it includes regular CD-quality stereo and surround-sound mixes of the three works, video interviews with Subotnick, La Barbara, Melody Sumner Carnahan (who wrote the texts), Brian Brandt (who produced the discs), & John Schaefer (a NYC radio producer). There's also an audio-only interview with Subotnick and his son about creating the interface for performing Gestures. There's also a CD-ROM version of Gestures which you can perform on your own, and in some ways this is the coolest part of the package, but can also be frustrating. You control the mix of sounds for the work by using your mouse to make gestures over various areas of the screen. (There may also be a DVD-ROM version of this on the DVD, but I don't have that kind of DVD drive & I can't tell if the screen telling me to use the CD-ROM version of the work comes up because of this or if they didn't get the DVD version of the work onto the DVD.) While I've seen several very good free-standing arrays of Max patches, Gestures may be the most sophisticated computer-interactive music interfaces readily available for people who aren't working with programs like Max/MSF or SuperCollider. The interface for Gestures is pretty powerful and quite sensitive. It parses your mouse movements into 24 levels of activity depending on the speed of the motion and it will take a while before you have much real control of the interface. Unless and until you get pretty adept at using the interface, you can't really do much that's very musical with it, certainly nothing like the recorded performance. So I guess the difference between the CD & DVD is largely a matter of how much you want to mess around with the Gestures interface. The interviews are good, too, but I don't know how much of an attraction they may be for you. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147 herb(a)eskimo.com

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umezu
by Kurt Gottschalk 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

there are at least 3 records by umezu's band 'betsuni nanmo klezmer.' 'waltz' and 'ahiru' are from 1996 and 'omedeto' (on which i don't see a release year). they're fairly straight klez and not my favorite of umezu's stuff. it is fun, tho, to hear makagami koichi fake yiddish songs. he's done tons of stuff. the early dr. umezu records someone mentioned are way goofy - sorta remind me of dr. buzzard's original savannah band, if anyone remembers them. i love 'first deserter' on knitting factory (now oop, like all kf). i have a straightahead jazz trio disc called 'mix dynamite trio' that's quite good, too. he used to come to nyc, but i haven't seen him since '96 or so. he has a website at <http://www.j-music.com/umezu/index.html>, but unfortunately the discography page is broken or undone. _________________________________________________________________ Scope out the new MSN Plus Internet Software optimizes dial-up to the max! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=byoa/plus&ST=1

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RE: umezu / ribot
by Andreas Dietz 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

itÂ´s on a label called OFF NOTE. IÂ´m searching for this release for years without success. I think itÂ´s only released in Japan without distribution anywhere... IÂ´ve seen the Eclecticism band around 10 years ago at the Saalfelden festival - absolutely killer! Andreas np: Susie Ibarra - Songbird Suite (Tzadik) >speaking of ribots funky playing I recently rediscovered kozutoki umezus >recordings w/ ribot (eclecticism, first deserter and pandoras cocktail) >which are all great. I can recommend these albums to anyone who wants to >hear ribot as a sideman pick up a telecaster (if so) in contrast to the >zorn sideman stuff. I think pandoras cocktail is very hard to get. It >features wollesen, ribot and brad jones playing some cool tunes. ribot >plays jazzy solos, twangy notes and umezus playing is entertaining in a >very positive way. >So, has anyone seen mr. umezu perform somewhere? Is kiki his current band, >what are they like? _________________________________________________________________ WuÃten Sie, daÃ Sie Ihren Hotmail-Posteingang auch Ã¼ber den MSN Messenger abrufen kÃ¶nnen? http://messenger.msn.de Jetzt kostenlos downloaden und einfach testen!

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Antwort: RE: umezu / ribot
by Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf 20 Jan '04

20 Jan '04

i'm not sure pandora's cocktail is on a label at all. I bought it at a concert where umezu was playing some short duos with impressing guitarist kido natsuki. i also have a cd which features his klezmer band, weird stuff, which i bought at least 8 years ago at a third person concert with samm bennett and tom cora. i don't think this klezmer band is still active, but I really don't know. I enjoy the umezu ny-lineup recordings mostly because to my ears the usual suspects like ribot, wollesen, horvitz and jones sound absolutly fresh throughout the whole material. I hope there'll be a follow up some day. "Sean Westergaard" <seawes(a)allmusic.com> 20.01.2004 15:15 An: "Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf" <schmitz-ohrndorf(a)adesso.de>, <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> Kopie: Thema: RE: umezu / ribot i love umezu's stuff, even without ribot. what label is pandora's cocktail on? i've never heard of that one. i have a few dr. umezu band recordings, and also the Seikatsu Kojo Iinkai Orchestra, a very sun-ra big band insprired group. last i heard (except for the duets with carlo actis dato), he was leading some kind of klezmer band (!), but i have not been able to track down the recording speaking of ribots funky playing I recently rediscovered kozutoki umezus recordings w/ ribot (eclecticism, first deserter and pandoras cocktail) which are all great. I can recommend these albums to anyone who wants to hear ribot as a sideman pick up a telecaster (if so) in contrast to the zorn sideman stuff. I think pandoras cocktail is very hard to get. It features wollesen, ribot and brad jones playing some cool tunes. ribot plays jazzy solos, twangy notes and umezus playing is entertaining in a very positive way. So, has anyone seen mr. umezu perform somewhere? Is kiki his current band, what are they like?

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RE: RHCP/Primus/Living Colour
by Matthew Garrington 19 Jan '04

19 Jan '04

To say that Uplift Mofo Party Plan & Freaky Styley were the pinnacle of the RHCP's career seems like nonsense to me. Don't get me wrong, I looooooove those albums. Musically though, they're quite pre-pubescent in all respects. I thought that songwriting started to have a more mature quality on "Mother's Milk," but if anything "BSSM" relied less on gimmicks then they're previous albums, musically anyways. Besides, gimmicks were in full gear with those guys from the get-go. Need I mention the cover of Abbey Road. I think I might be crazy, but I actually liked "Californication" (sic). It took me about two years to give it a fair listen. The quality of the writing is really, really good. Frusciante really seems to be taking music seriously. Obviously though, it's a tradeoff with the post-punk energy of their early stuff. Primus . .. I wouldn't say "Frizzle Fry's" their best.. .I thought "Pork Soda" and "Sailing the Seas of Cheese" were equally as good, if not for similar reasons as to why "Mother's Milk" is a better album then "Freaky Styley." "Tales from the Punchbowl" was a real letdown, obviously. I thought Brain gave 'em a raw edge for the "The Brown Album," but it certainly didn't compare. (let's not mention "Anti-pop"--who the hell let Fred Durst in the studio???). I think I had pretty much given up on those guys. A few of my friends saw them with Buckethead and said it was the worse show they had seen yet. If Buckethead couldn't turn them around, who could? Well, I don't know if anyone saw 'em on this last tour, but it was a real treat. I really don't think Les's side projects were just rehashing Primus stuff. I really thought he was challenging himself. The music didn't always work. A lot of the Frog Brigade was really flat (though Oysterhead was great if you can get past Trey . . I'm not much for hippie jams). Anyways, on this latest Primus tour Les seemed to take what was good about the Frog Brigade and meld it with Primus. They're was lots of good jamming & improvisation mixed with high energy playing. Plus, Tim Alexander is back in the band, and let's face it. . .Brain was no Herb (Praxis/Buckethead albums notwithstanding). This last Primus show was probably on par with what they did on "Sailing the Seas of Cheese." The ep they released was a bit boring, but I think they might do some great work again. And since we're on the topic of "funk metal" . ...Living Colour's new album was a bit of a disappointment, although some of the cuts are great. It really did seem like "Stain II" which is fine by me if the quality is as good, unfortunately a lot of it wasn't. Those guys as players though haven't lost a bit. I saw 'em with King Crimson recently. They were incredibly tight. They ended the set with "Time's up." I always thought that to be a challenging piece to play. If anything it was the crowd who seemed to have lost the magic. Folks just stood their. Although that could have been the King Crimson crowd. KC fans seem to have an unwritten rule where they all agree not to "show" that they like the music. My 2 cents. Matt

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