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Cobra
by Alasdair Maloney 29 Jul '03

29 Jul '03

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Bass gear query...
by AM FREQUENCIES 28 Jul '03

28 Jul '03

Hi, just hoping someone can help!!! I'm a bass player & recently i have been busting my cones in my speaker. In about Feburary i joined a band that requires distortion (also 5 string heavy distortion) and found after i a little while with them my speaker was distorting when playing 'normal' bass. I assumed it was just because i've had the speaker for about 4 years - time to die.... So i went to my spare 15" & used that. Just the other day i realised the EXACT same thing. (Changed over period, maybe a month.....) My rig is: Gallien-Krueger 800RB http://www.gallien-krueger.com/PRODUCTS/HEADS/800RB/800rb.html EV 15" 4 OHM * I don't 'push it', only playing at about 4-5 on the volume * Haven't had any power surges or big pops etc.. * I never bi-amp it, only ever use the 4ohm 15" So now i'm wondering, could it be the distortion? Are 15"s 'not meant for distortion'? I notice Dunn uses (in Fantomas) 8 x 10", as i've also seen in other metal bands. What did Frith use in Naked City? (seeing i'm playing similar stuff to that - was it 4x10"? Anyway, so i will get this fixed & when i get it all back, maybe try splitting it, adding a 2 x 10" 8ohm cabinet on that i have. Should i get all 10"s? like 4x10 or something? Recommendations, advice, anything would be great! thanks. Andrew

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Step Across the Border dvd Aug 5
by Vincent Kargatis 26 Jul '03

26 Jul '03

The Jazzmatazz site lists SATB on dvd as available Aug 5! Can't wait! Making it semi-official, cduniverse lists it: http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?pid=6077595&cart=152096826&style=… -- Vincent Kargatis np: Fred Frith - "Water - Struggle - The North" (Guitar Solos)

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new fantomas
by Andrew Mortensen 25 Jul '03

25 Jul '03

>>> Trevor Dunn said the first of the new albums will be a 1-track creepy ambient piece, much in the same vein as "Absinthe" by Naked City <<<<< ## I knew it!! when I heard one of the new albums would be ambient, I thought "I bet it'll be like 'Absinthe'..." so will the next one, which has been mentioned as a cartoon-esque thing, be like 'Cynical Hysterie', or like Carl Stalling or other Zorn cartoon music???? Will they be unique, or 'unoriginal'??? let's hope they're fresh, which i'm sure they will be, but with heavy Zorn-isms (seeing as he'w working with him so much). Andrew ## -----Original Message----- From: tomo(a)nervoussystem.freeserve.co.uk [mailto:tomo@nervoussystem.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Friday, 25 July 2003 8:02 PM To: cv(a)cv.org Subject: Re: RE: [CV] news > Anyone knows about the sound of the fantomas new album??? I spoke to Trevor Dunn before the John Zorn show at the Barbican, and he said the first of the new albums will be a 1-track creepy ambient piece, much in the same vein as Absinthe by Naked City. He said that there aren't really noticeable instruments on there, but it is very atmospheric and moody. He said the album should be out in late Autumn or something, and they hope to tour in UK some time early 2004. Can't Wait! Can anyone give me brief reviews/line-ups/thoughts on any of the following Zorn albums, as I need more Zorn stuff! Xu-Feng IAO Angelus Novus Bar Kokhba Electric Masada Cheers, Tom. __________________________________________________________________________ Join Freeserve http://www.freeserve.com/time/ Winner of the 2003 Internet Service Providers' Association awards for Best Unmetered ISP and Best Consumer Application. Message #3470 -------------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, visit http://list.cv.org. For help, email cv-help(a)cv.org.

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RE: King Crimson Recommendations?
by Mark Saleski 25 Jul '03

25 Jul '03

> > >speaking of heresy, i'll shamelessly confess that not only do i have a soft spot in my heart for 'lizard', but i would even spend time singing its praises, if need be. > i like Lizard too. ...until Jon Anderson's voice pops up (***shudder***) mark -- Mark Saleski - marks(a)foliage.com | http://www.foliage.com/~marks "Nothing in the world is more haughty than a man of moderate capacity when once raised to power." - Baron Wessenberg

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RE: King crimson available only
by jzitt＠metatronpress.com 25 Jul '03

25 Jul '03

mwoodwor mwoodwor(a)dal.ca wrote: > THanks for the input Steve- any rec's on the 2-3 best live ones to > purchase that are only available on the website?? Though I haven't heard all of them, I would recommend: - CLUB3: King Crimson - The Beat Club, Bremen, 1972 (mostly improvised, with Jamie Muir) - CLUB7: ProjeKct Four - Live in San Francisco, 1998 (an instrumental quartet of Fripp, Gunn, Levin, and Mastelotto, and the single best CD for highway driving that I know) - CLUB9: King Crimson - Live at Summit Studios, 1972 (which has the jamming version of the band with Boz taking off on "The Creator has a Master Plan") -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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RE: King Crimson recommendations?
by Sean Murphy 25 Jul '03

25 Jul '03

<<It might be heresy to admit this, but of all the Crimson albums, 'Court' is probably the one I go back to least (beside 'ConstruKction,' anyway); it's a masterpiece, for sure, but it also feels a bit dated, whereas most of the others are too weird and genuinely "other" to have done so.>> what he said. speaking of heresy, i'll shamelessly confess that not only do i have a soft spot in my heart for 'lizard', but i would even spend time singing its praises, if need be. peace. -----Original Message----- From: Steve Smith [mailto:ssmith36@sprynet.com] Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 3:15 AM To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: King Crimson recommendations? Actually, I have very little to add to the fine recommendations that have already appeared here -- though of course I'll add my long-winded bit anyway. Joseph quite correctly knew that my pet topic would draw me out despite the late hour and overwhelming work load -- but then, he's seen the roughly three feet of shelf space in my apartment exclusively devoted to Crimson releases, legit and otherwise... I think, given the presence of Andy Summers, David Torn and Primus on AM's list, that the '80s band is the place for him to begin, but I'll break with tradition: Instead of starting with 'Discipline' (which is undeniably a classic album), why not consider the live set from that band, 'Absent Lovers'? You get an overview of the band's three albums in performances that are faithful to the studio versions but add a bit more heat. At first, I had issues with the way Fripp mastered the thing with the guitars panned hard left and hard right, but you know, it does afford a pretty remarkable view of the way the two guitarists played distinctive lines that, added together, formed something else. Likewise, instead of 'Larks' Tongues in Aspic' or 'Starless and Bible Black,' consider getting to know the mid-'70s version of the band through 'The Night Watch,' a nearly complete, classic live show from Amsterdam. You get a better sense of that band's emphasis on free improvisation, both within the context of the songs from the two albums I mentioned, as well as the free-standing improvs that made up a large portion of the band's live sets. Quite a bit of the 'Starless and Bible Black' LP actually comes from this very concert recording, and it's more economical and sensible for the beginner than 'The Great Deceiver' would be. Continuing in that vein, 'Vroom Vroom' is the best way to get to know the '90s band, and 'Heavy ConstruKction' is the choice for the current band; while the bulk of the material on the latter comes from the lifeless 'The ConstruKction of Light,' at least the live performances breathe some real fire into it, and you get some impressive improvising as well. (A live set from the current tour might be even better, and one such set will be coming on DVD video before long.) The bluesy early '70s band remains problematic: The studio recordings don't accurately reflect the live band, which was at heart a "jamming" unit, even "funky" in a classic white British r'n'b sense at times. But the recently released 'Ladies of the Road,' ostensibly an attempt to present that band in a showcase on a par with all of the sets I've just mentioned, fails to do so precisely because Fripp still seems to have absolutely no faith in that band's value. Several of the tunes are butchered horribly, with entire verses omitted, and the second disc, a long meta-version of "21st Century Schizoid Man" that strings together many of Fripp's and Mel Collins's solos in one long, epic rendition, sounds good on paper but wears out its welcome quickly. It, too, is oddly edited. It's a shame, really... I've heard boots that make this band sound as wooly and dangerous as Last Exit. 'In the Court of the Crimson King,' yes, yes, a drop-dead classic, but also miles away from the specific things that AM mentioned. Unless you've got an appreciation for other prog rock of that particular era -- by which I mean peers like Yes and Genesis, as well as offshoot Emerson, Lake and Palmer -- I'd actually suggest trying to hear it before you buy it. At the very least, pick up 'The Night Watch' first -- it's a good indicator of the way in which the band moved forward from its symphonic and jazzy roots to a more unique and integrated sound. It might be heresy to admit this, but of all the Crimson albums, 'Court' is probably the one I go back to least (beside 'ConstruKction,' anyway); it's a masterpiece, for sure, but it also feels a bit dated, whereas most of the others are too weird and genuinely "other" to have done so. Your mileage will likely vary. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com (... who firmly believes that the new 'De-Loused in the Comatorium' by The Mars Volta is the best prog CD in years...) _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list

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King crimson available only
by mwoodwor 25 Jul '03

25 Jul '03

THanks for the input Steve- any rec's on the 2-3 best live ones to purchase that are only available on the website?? THanks, Mike >Actually, I have very little to add to the fine recommendations that have >already appeared here -- though of course I'll add my long-winded bit >anyway. Joseph quite correctly knew that my pet topic would draw me out >despite the late hour and overwhelming work load -- but then, he's seen the >roughly three feet of shelf space in my apartment exclusively devoted to >Crimson releases, legit and otherwise...

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Re: Colossus of Destiny
by Mitch Tyo 25 Jul '03

25 Jul '03

I really don't know how to defend an album like this to somebody who doesn't like it. I really like it a lot. It's not a typical Melvins release, so one shouldn't buy it first, but if you've got the whole hour it takes to listen to it, it's worthwhile. I've read interviews where Buzz describes it as an hour long version of "Eye Flys," and I think that description is fairly accurate. The concert was an experiment. Buzz wanted to do something different, and succeeded, perhaps at the cost of a few loyal listeners. I've never heard Prick, but from what I hear about it the two albums are completely different, and the only similarity is that listeners don't seem to like either one. Though if you ever describe either album as a "joke" or "rip-off" to Buzz, he'll chew you out on it. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Re: electric masada in nancy (france)
by ivan knipping 25 Jul '03

25 Jul '03

Hi I've seen this next week in Gand Belgium it was really great ! What a perfect performance! Ivan > >Hi ! >John Zorn will play with electric masada (no information about the band) in >Nancy the 14th of october. You can download the program in french. >http://www.nancyjazzpulsations.com/ >alban _________________________________________________________________

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