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Grossisms
by jim & nika 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

The "middle mind" article perfectly articulated the source of my dis-ease when listening to NPR. One more potshot at Terry Gross: Last week she interviewed Ricky Skaggs and asked a definitively "middle mind" question: "Why do country audiences continue to buy into big hats & flashy suits when that image is such a cliche?" (paraphrased) ! jim

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summer reading list
by MorMovies＠aol.com 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

THE GHASTLY ONE: The Sex-Gore Netherworld of Andy Milligan by Jimmy McDonough. A dizzying, desperate glimpse into the surreal world of Andy Milligan's exploitation/grindhouse films of the 60's-80's. You'll need to take a shower after reading this one!

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RE: summer reading list
by Sean Murphy 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

for the second time in a week, i feel compelled to say "what HE said". i love 'dead man' in part b/c it is so different from many of his other films, some of which i'm not a fan of. ('night on earth' and 'ghost dog' were, for me, unwatchable). i know a lot of folks who loved 'dead man' but hated the soundtrack; but then, a lot of people hate neil young. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Axelrad [mailto:soulfrieda@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 2:48 PM To: zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com Subject: RE: summer reading list The collected interviews of Jarmusch are very funny. Fans of his will definitely love the book. I think Dead Man is very easily his best film and also one of the best films of the 90s. I especially love the awkward violence, the black & white photography, and the critical take on American culture and its obsession with death. Not to mention a soundtrack that rivals Paris, Texas in its beauty... And I'm all for Benigni. >From: Ricardo Campillo <houseofklang(a)yahoo.es> >To: Zachary Steiner <zsteiner(a)butler.edu>, Zorn-list ><zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com> >Subject: RE: summer reading list >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:20:18 +0200 (CEST) > >variety of opinions on Jarmusch films. I think >Stranger than paradise is without a doubt his best >film. The rest of his films are only... good.But >that's only my opinion. > >About Benigni question: Yes, he's not an actor, and >his presence on any film is quite disgusting. >Regards. Ricardo. > > --- Zachary Steiner <zsteiner(a)butler.edu> escribió: > > >> Now Im reading interviews with Jim Jarmusch and > > an autobio on akira > > kurosawa > > > > I just watched Down By Law last night. I thoroughly > > enjoyed it, but I > > don't know why. The humor was mostly inexplicably > > funny; no one who > > watched it with me could figure out why it was so > > funny. There weren't > > any jokes per se, save the butchering of clichés. I > > did enjoy Lurie's > > score performed by the Lounge Lizards (Ribot and > > Lindsay were both > > present, though Ribot did not play guitar...) > > > > Is Roberto Benigni unable to play any one other than > > himself? It seems > > that every movie he is in he is the same character > > and he always falls > > in love or is in love with his real wife. Would it > > be fair to call him > > an actor? > > > > Zach > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > zorn-list mailing list > > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > > go to the webpage below > > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > >___________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS >Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... >http://messenger.yahoo.es > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail _______________________________________________ zorn-list mailing list zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list

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RE: summer reading list
by Ben Axelrad 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

The collected interviews of Jarmusch are very funny. Fans of his will definitely love the book. I think Dead Man is very easily his best film and also one of the best films of the 90s. I especially love the awkward violence, the black & white photography, and the critical take on American culture and its obsession with death. Not to mention a soundtrack that rivals Paris, Texas in its beauty... And I'm all for Benigni. >From: Ricardo Campillo <houseofklang(a)yahoo.es> >To: Zachary Steiner <zsteiner(a)butler.edu>, Zorn-list ><zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com> >Subject: RE: summer reading list >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 19:20:18 +0200 (CEST) > >variety of opinions on Jarmusch films. I think >Stranger than paradise is without a doubt his best >film. The rest of his films are only... good.But >that's only my opinion. > >About Benigni question: Yes, he's not an actor, and >his presence on any film is quite disgusting. >Regards. Ricardo. > > --- Zachary Steiner <zsteiner(a)butler.edu> escribió: > > >> Now Im reading interviews with Jim Jarmusch and > > an autobio on akira > > kurosawa > > > > I just watched Down By Law last night. I thoroughly > > enjoyed it, but I > > don't know why. The humor was mostly inexplicably > > funny; no one who > > watched it with me could figure out why it was so > > funny. There weren't > > any jokes per se, save the butchering of clichés. I > > did enjoy Lurie's > > score performed by the Lounge Lizards (Ribot and > > Lindsay were both > > present, though Ribot did not play guitar...) > > > > Is Roberto Benigni unable to play any one other than > > himself? It seems > > that every movie he is in he is the same character > > and he always falls > > in love or is in love with his real wife. Would it > > be fair to call him > > an actor? > > > > Zach > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > zorn-list mailing list > > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > > go to the webpage below > > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > >___________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Messenger - Nueva versión GRATIS >Super Webcam, voz, caritas animadas, y más... >http://messenger.yahoo.es > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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Summer Reading List
by Parry Gettelman 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

I just finished "Notorious Woman: the Celebrated Case of Myra Clarke Gaines," which uses a New Orleans inheritance case that dragged on for decades (an American Bleak House) to examine the constraints placed on women in 19th century America, and also has some interesting info on the collision between Spanish, French and American legal systems in early Louisiana, and then there's a fascinating hitch in the case when the Civil War forces US Supreme Court justices from the South to decide whether to stay or resign and go home to the Confederacy.... I like books that show how much messier American history is than the version we got in school textbooks. Now I'm almost finished with Mahfouz's "Akhenaten," which was finally in at the library. Very interesting but I liked his Cairo Triology even more, for the more involved character development, and it keeps making me want to break down and order Lucille Morrison's "The Lost Queen of Egypt," about Akhenaten's daughter, which I read in grade school. It's out of print and I haven't seen it for less than about $90 as a used book. << "It's like Dr. Laura for people with bachelor degrees. Car Talk has more intellectual content.">> Now he's dissing Car Talk as well? I'd like to see how well he does on the Puzzlers! (I do find Fresh Air kind of annoying sometimes, even when the guests are interesting.) Parry

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Re: zorn-list Digest, Vol 5, Issue 44
by Nirav M Soni 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

For those of you who haven't thrown away your VCRs, there are a couple of tapes of Chris Marker films available, "Sans Soleil" from New Yorker Films and "La Jetee" in a few places, I think. Icarus Films recently released a tape of "A Grin Without a Cat", which looks prohibitatively expensive to consumers ($490), but if you bug a local public library enough, and they have loads of spare funds lying around, they might buy a copy. I also know that Mondo Kim's sells a copy of "Le Joli Mai" for $40 or so, but I assume it's a boot, and haven't seen it yet. There's also a PAL tape of "The Last Bolshevik" available from Amazon UK(http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004CO6D/qid=1059585899/sr=1-3/ref=sr_1_2_3/026-3722675-3451614). Experimental Arts Intermix has tapes of his video work, http://www.eai.org There is a DVD (Region 2) of "La Jetee" and "Sans Soleil" from Amazon UK and Amazon France http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00009WW1R/ref=sr_aps_dvd_1_1/026-… http://www.amazon.fr/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008BCWQ/402-7629401-0672136 As far as summer reading goes, it's been "The Invention of Clouds", which is about Luke Howard, and his invention of the taxonomy of clouds, and "At Swim Two Birds" by Flann O'Brien which is unbeliebably hilarious, as well as pushing "narrative" into pretzels. With beer. > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 11:42:34 -0500 > From: "Ben Axelrad" <soulfrieda(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: Re: Chris Marker > To: selvig(a)earthlink.net, zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <Law11-F51jr68AOI6ms00018904(a)hotmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Really? Amazon doesn't list this in the special features. As I > mentioned > before, the version with English narration is on Short 2: Dreams, > with > optional audio commentary by Gilliam. This disc also features Guy > Maddin's > short "Eye Like a Red Balloon", based on a painting by Odilon Redon. > > > >From: Chris Selvig <selvig(a)earthlink.net> > >To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > >Subject: Chris Marker > >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:19:41 -0700 > > > > > >>I can't believe that no Marker films have been released on DVD! > There's>>only the English version of La Jetee on one of the > "Short" DVD magazines > >>and > >>his work on "Night and Fog." > > > >I think there are a couple of things available on DVD in Europe & > I'm sure > >that eventually a few things will turn up in North America. > > > > > > - I'm almost certain "La Jetee" is included on the DVD of "12 > Monkeys."> > >Chris Selvig > > > >

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Re:summer reading list
by Mitch Tyo 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

This has all been really great, I've got a bunch of new (to me, anyway) authors to check out... I haven't read as much as I'd like to this summer, things are a bit hectic... but I did read "The Public Burning" which is a great cynical look at political America of the 50's (and still apropos today), I re-read Chuck Palahniuk's "Survivor, and now I'm halfway through "Crime and Punishment". I recommend that anybody with some serious reading time set aside to pick up "Gravity's Rainbow" by Thomas Pynchon and fall in love with it. It's wonderful. I also have a soft spot for post-modernists like David Foster Wallace and John Barth... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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summer reading list
by Benito Vergara 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

Summer's almost done and there's no summer reading list thread yet? =) What are you Zornlisters reading? David Keenan's "England's Hidden Reverse" (on Current 93, Coil and Nurse With Wound, among others) just arrived the other day and it's on my bedside table next to a pile of issues of Mike Carey's comic "Lucifer" (probably the best of the "Sandman" spinoffs, if not sometimes as good). (I see Keenan also has a book on My Bloody Valentine's "Loveless" -- http://www.continuumbooks.com/series_details.cgi?sid=311&ssid=FCU862K3I86CU8 8HE7R01H -- anyone read anything from this series yet?) Anyone else have any recommendations? I'd rather read something else than catch up on the last two Harry Potter books... Later, Ben http://www.thewilyfilipino.com

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Re: Chris Marker
by Ben Axelrad 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

Really? Amazon doesn't list this in the special features. As I mentioned before, the version with English narration is on Short 2: Dreams, with optional audio commentary by Gilliam. This disc also features Guy Maddin's short "Eye Like a Red Balloon", based on a painting by Odilon Redon. >From: Chris Selvig <selvig(a)earthlink.net> >To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Chris Marker >Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2003 09:19:41 -0700 > > >>I can't believe that no Marker films have been released on DVD! There's >>only the English version of La Jetee on one of the "Short" DVD magazines >>and >>his work on "Night and Fog." > >I think there are a couple of things available on DVD in Europe & I'm sure >that eventually a few things will turn up in North America. > > > - I'm almost certain "La Jetee" is included on the DVD of "12 Monkeys." > >Chris Selvig > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re:summer reading list
by Herb Levy 30 Jul '03

30 Jul '03

"Ben Axelrad" <soulfrieda(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >Curtis White "Requiem". Quite enjoyable, despite the pretentious >description on the back. Fragmented stories about famous composers, an >English prof surfing the net for porn, a "prophet" inteviewing murderers and >madmen, bestiality, but the most exploitative parts are the potshots at NPR >and Terry Gross. Ben, could you please write more about what he's up to re: NPR & Terri Gross? >Lyn Hejinian's "My Life", an (also non-narrative) autobiography which >devotes a prose poem to each year of her life, is really quite good. Is >Clark Coolidge at all affiliated with this group? He put out a book years >ago called "The ROVA Improvisations", which consist of a series of >improvised poems to ROVA songs, then more poems based on the improv'd poems >(sort of like Ostertag does poetry). I tried CC's "Solution Passage" but >couldn't understand a word. Hejinian's "My Life" IS really really great. I know she was writing more into the 90s and I wish the latest edition had included some of this material. The second edition, from Sun & Moon, added 8 or nine sections and, because of the work's formal structure, 8 or 9 sentences to each of the previously published sections, but the most recent edition is, unfortunately, just a reprint of that text with no further additions. Coolidge isn't related to anyone in ROVA as far as I know, but as a writer he seems to share some interests with Hejinian. He may have gone on one of ROVA's trips to the USSR (back when that was the name of a country); many North American writers and artists joined those travels. Some of Coolidge's writing process is be derived from notating his thought processes in response to things, with very little description of the thing or things being considered. At least he's described several long projects in ways not too far from that. >Is Atelos still functioning? It doesn't look like their website has been >updated lately, and I thought years ago they mentioned brining out a new >work by Fanny Howe but now now word... Don't know about the state of their Web site, but Atelos is very much still ongoing. They have a commitment to a series of fifty books with something like 15 books published now, they were doing about 2-3 books a year. Followers of this thread may be interested to know that the series includes books by Clark Coolidge (related to stories of alien abductions) & Jalal Toufic. Atelos books are readily available from Small Press Distribution <http://www.spdbooks.org/>, who distribute a ton of great books and magazines that are often difficult to find elsewhere. >I can't believe that no Marker films have been released on DVD! There's >only the English version of La Jetee on one of the "Short" DVD magazines and >his work on "Night and Fog." I think there are a couple of things available on DVD in Europe & I'm sure that eventually a few things will turn up in North America. "Benito Vergara" <bvergara(a)sfsu.edu> wrote: >Earlier this summer -- every night before I went to sleep, for a month and a >half -- I would read one poem from Hejinian's "My Life," and it was one of >the more rewarding reading experiences I've had in recent years. Yeah, I'd recommend that book to any one on the Zorn list for whom the concept of a "non-narrative text" isn't a turn-off. >Bok's "Eunoia" sounds good, though. Is it like that Perec book, then? It's obviously related to Perec's book La Disparition (translated into English as A Void), which is literally about the disappearance of the letter "E" and is written entirely without using that vowel. But Eunoia is somewhat different in tone as well as formal structure &, for any one on the Zorn list for whom the concept of a "narrative text" isn't a turn-off, the story is quite different. There are excerpts from Eunoia available online from the publisher Coach House Books: <http://www.chbooks.com/> & it's also distributed by SPD. Here's a quick sentence from the book that's even related to music: "Fans clap as a fat-cat jazzman and a bad-ass bassman blab gangsta rap - a gangland fad that attacks what Brahms and Franck call art." -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147 herb(a)eskimo.com

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