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why I found Toshimaru Nakamura boring
by AM FREQUENCIES 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

>> Well, it's not Morbid Angel or Hate Eternal seeing who can be the fastest drummer or anything, >> but some of us folks here happen to think he's fascinating live. Definitely in the top five of >> my favourite musicians of the last five years, should I ever be so silly as to make such a >> >> list. I shouldn't join the Electroacoustic list if I were you ;) ## WELL, WELL. I SAW HIM WITH SACHIKO M. IT WAS INTERESTING FOR ABOUT 5-10 MINS. THE SOUNDS WOULD CHANGE WHEN YOU MOVED YOUR HEAD, IT WAS INTERESTING & DIFFERENT. BUT WHEN THE PERFORMANCE GOES FOR ABOUT 40+ MINS OF "oooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooo oooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooo oooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooo", IT DOES BECOME BORING. I WOULD HAVE BEEN HAPPY FOR THE "OOOoooooOOOO" TO TURN INTO A "OOOOOeeeeeeeeEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeee" FOR A LEAST A MINUTE.... ;) BUT IT STAYED THE SAME. YOU COULD SEE OTHER PEOPLE GETTING RESTLESS TOO.... I LIKE SACHIKO, & OTHER MINIMALIST STUFF, BUT IT WENT ON TOO LONG WITH NO CHANGE. BUT MY RESTLESSNESS COULD BE DUE TO THE FACT THAT OTOMO YOSHIHIDE WAS DUE TO COME ON AFTER THEM (MY FAV JAPANESE SOUND ARTIST)!!! ;) I HAPPEN TO MAKE STUFF LIKE THAT MYSELF, DRONES & MINIMAL MANIPULATIONS, SO I'M NOT SOME METAL-HEAD SLAGGING OFF MINIMAL/EXPERIMENTAL ELECTRONIC MUSIC.... I LOVE MY DEATH METAL, BUT ALSO EVERY OTHER STYLE OF MUSIC (EXCLUDING THE POP TECHNO ON THE RADIO). > As for the live bit, yes, Nakamura is a bit boring to "watch" live. ## I DON'T MIND IT NOT BEING VISUALLY INTERESTING, THAT'S FINE BY ME.... ANYWAY, JUST THOUGHT I'D LET A LITTLE MORE INFO FOR MY COMMENT (HAD A FEELING I MIGHT GET SOME FLACK... :) THANKS ANDREW ##

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Primitive Rock Duos Was Re Jim O'Rourke/SY
by zsteiner＠butler.edu 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

The opening act for SY was this band of guitar and drums that seem all so common nowadays. This band was devoid of energy the drummer droned forgettable lyrics whilst beating quarter notes on the drum. Her partner strummed out uninteresting guitar chords--she did nothing of note on the guitar. Many of these bands have this back to basics mentality that is tiring to me. What gives? There is this band that recorded an entire album of noisy garage rock in Bb minor with just guitar and drums. They took away their only way to make their songs interesting, changing keys! The whole album sounded like the same song repeating; thankfully it was short. Even White Stripes (the best of the crop), start to sound repetitive. I don't understand this trend of guitar/drum duos that have a completely blase attitude and simple rock songs. The lack of instrumentation, variety, and energy makes this incredibly boring to me. Am I not alone? Can some one explain the attraction? Zach

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Re: bass players
by Alfonso Vargas Gamio 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

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Re Jim O'Rourke/SY
by Craig Lieske 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

JIm O'Rourke is fantastic, especially the Drag City stuff. Great pop songs with rather bizarre lyrics. I think it's essential stuff, and highly recommended. CL _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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RE: Toshimaru Nakamura
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

Andrew Mortensen: TOSHIMARU NAKAMURA >Sound student of the mixing board- Toyko improviser finds the best >instrument to mix is the mixer itself. Interview with William Meyer. > >## SAW HIM LIVE & IT BORED THE SHIT OUR OF ME.... ## Well, it's not Morbid Angel or Hate Eternal seeing who can be the fastest drummer or anything, but some of us folks here happen to think he's fascinating live. Definitely in the top five of my favourite musicians of the last five years, should I ever be so silly as to make such a list. I shouldn't join the Electroacoustic list if I were you ;) Alastair -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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Re: that whole "creative" thing
by Thorsten Krämer 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

I really want to second EffrÃ©ns point here. Why all the fuzz about "evil" labels? Let's be clear about it: Aren't those people who are always the first to tell you their music (or make that paintings, novels, whatever) defies any label the ones that produce the most boring works of art? What is more stupid and arrogant: To be honest about being influenced and positioning your own work within a specified framework of tradition, or to depict yourself as an original genius that just fell from the sky? Best, Thorsten KrÃ¤mer >Zorn precisely uses lots of labels to describe the >music that has been an influence on him or even his >own's. >I don't know in which ways music could be described in >print without the use of labels to give points of >reference to readers, for instance, that can help them >have an overview on the subject-album. It's obvious >that certain adjectives are really stupid but, forgive >me, if you mention "minimalism" something lights up >inside my head. >Best, >EfrÃ©n del Valle

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Live Masada CD
by Pierre Toussaint 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

I've been listening these last days to the JOHN ZORN MASADA LIVE: Masada CD (1995 - Jazz Door (Italy), JD 1293) which is with Kenny Wollesen on drums. Four questions: 1- Why Wollesen on drums? 2- Who is he? 3- Is it me or Greg Cohen is playing an electic bass on at least some tracks (and if yes, why?) 4- Why was this cd never released by zorn himself? Is it legitimate? Thanks __________________________________________________________ LÃ¨che-vitrine ou lÃ¨che-Ã©cran ? magasinage.yahoo.ca

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Bass Players
by zsteiner＠butler.edu 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

My good friend recently switched to bass after frustration with guitar. He would like to know about players who play interesting/intricate bass parts on electric bass. He is looking for rock players, but experimental, free improv, jazz, etc would also be useful. Thanks. Zach

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Cds For Sale
by Nirav M Soni 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

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Re: this whole "creative" thing
by Crowmeat Bob 01 Jul '03

01 Jul '03

what about alt-pop? but every time I try to play it, I implode. could albert ayler be screamo-jazz? >From: "Mitch Tyo" <dexteron0(a)hotmail.com> >To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: this whole "creative" thing >Date: Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:40:21 -0500 > >It's amazing how sick I am of all labels in general. Whether it's >'creative', 'pop-punk', 'indie-pop', 'post-rock', 'alt-rock', 'post-punk', >'avant-garde', 'sadcore', 'emo', 'grindcore', 'britpop', 'hard-pop', 'nu >metal' , 'post-lounge', 'ambient', 'hardcore', 'black metal', 'doom metal', >'death metal', 'dark metal' (yes, apparently there's a difference between >all these), 'jam band', 'stoner rock', 'garage', 'easy listening', 'noise', >'jazz', 'classical', 'folk', 'rock', 'pop' and so on. My attitude is that >a musician should just make the best music they can. Leave the labeling to >the critics, or better still, get rid of them all together. There are >better ways to describe music then to sort it into a genre. One of the >reasons I like John Zorn so much is that he doesn't fit into any one label, >ever (even though his music is commonly in the "jazz" section, for lack of >a better place to put it). > >The instant you put yourself into a genre is the instant you limit your >creativity. > >And as a moderately topical aside, I was in a bar the other day talking to >a self-proclaimed guitarist. I asked him some basic questions about scales >or something (since I aspire to play guitar myself), and his response was >"Oh, I don't know anything about music. But it's okay, since we're a >'noise' band." > >_________________________________________________________________ >Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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