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Re: NO wave comeback 2003 ?!?!?!
by ssmith36＠sprynet.com 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

>I think '95 was too soon. And I think Dave and Hugo would have to be >the >rhythm section (tho, when I saw them in 1981 with Sara Lee, it >emphatically > DID NOT SUCK). Oh, I agree wholeheartedly. The '81 tour with Sara Lee (and backing vocalist/percussionist Eddi Reader) was killin' - and they'd need Lee to really do justice to "We Live As We Dream, Alone" and "I Love a Man in a Uniform," anyway... Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Dennis Gonzalez, "Debenge-Debenge," 'Debenge-Debenge' (Silkheart) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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Re: Live masada CD
by Samerivertwice＠aol.com 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

In a message dated 7/2/03 2:30:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mhepp(a)xs4all.nl writes: > I was wondering about this. > The CD is on Jazz Door, a sublabel of the german ITM-Media. > As they have released several official releases of avant-garde jazz, I > always supposed this was a legitimate record label... > > Am I wrong about this? > > Maarten Hepp > Not that I'm a Jazz Door expert or anything but my understanding is they are merely a somewhat sophisticated bootleg label. Their CDs are silver -- not CDRs -- and include nice, if erroneous ("Masada Live in New York" is a recording of a German broadcast), artwork. I've seen the video of this show and Wollesen tears it up! Tom

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Re: NO wave comeback 2003 ?!?!?!
by ssmith36＠sprynet.com 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

>From: skip Heller velaires(a)earthlink.net > >I'll bet you large dollars, if Gang Of 4 reunited >tomorrow, they'd be playing venues the size of the Fillmore. Well, maybe, if you insured that Dave Allen and Hugo Burnham were involved and the band was going to play lots of "old hits." The reunions in '91 and '95, both of which featured Jon King and Andy Gill, and both of which produced eminently respectable albums ('Mall' and 'Shrinkwrapped,' respectively). The second reunion even coincided with the Infinite Zero reissues of 'Entertainment' and 'Solid Gold.' And both reunions petered out almost immediately. The latter, if I remember correctly, had trouble filling small clubs. Then again, I suppose it *is* nearly 10 years later, and half the bands in Williamsburg sound like Gang of Four (the other half are Joy Division)... Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Dennis Gonzalez, "Hymn for Julius Hemphill," 'The Desert Wind' (Silkheart) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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Herbie Mann, R.I.P.
by William Crump 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

I just saw the wire story that Herbie Mann died yesterday at 73. Prostate cancer. Wm. Crump

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Re: zorn-list Digest, Vol 5, Issue 7
by Marco R. Pronk 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Taylor McLaren wrote:So I picked up a copy of the new Melt-Banana album yesterday, <snip> > Thankfully, the whooshing and panning silliness dies down pretty quickly, and a whole bunch of fast, earnest RAWK ensues. The bass and guitar work would fit in pretty well with Alec Empire's more recent hard stuff, and I'm even reminded of the incredible drive behind the track that Tom Morello did with the Prodigy... these really aren't cool musical roots to be displaying, are they? Not to be nitpicking or something, but Tom Morello did that track with Atari Teenage Riot called "Rage" which Alec Empire was also a member of. And don't feel ashamed of these roots ATR were fun back in the days of '97 when they got hyped in the press. Just too bad Alec personally killed the Digital Hardcore movement ;-)) Marco @ The Noise Commando

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RE: NO wave comeback 2003 ?!?!?!
by ssmith36＠sprynet.com 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Ironically or not, there is a new sampler of contemporary New York bands called 'Yes New York'... Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Dennis González, "Hymn for Julius Hemphill," 'The Desert Wind' (Silkheart) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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RE: NO wave comeback 2003 ?!?!?!
by ssmith36＠sprynet.com 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Ironically or not, there is a new sampler of contemporary New York bands called 'Yes New York'... Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Dennis González, "Hymn for Julius Hemphill," 'The Desert Wind' (Silkheart) -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ .

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Re: Creative Music
by bsweet＠umich.edu 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

Good points, Skip, and I don't disagree. What I'm stressing--and I can see now where some clarification is in order--is that if a musician spends a period of time immersed in the study of musical elements, which are common to all musics, isolated from the dictates of styles and traditions, then he or she can apply the skills gained from that study in whatever musical sphere he or she intends to deal. One can then choose traditions and styles, but not be hamstrung by them. One can allow the musical circumstances of his environment (time, place) to inform his sound, but the expression comes from within (one's own sound) and frees the player from lickocentrism. It frees the player from resorting to what Roscoe Mitchell calls "pushing your groove buttons" or what Leo Smith calls "frozen information." Bob --On Wednesday, July 02, 2003 9:37 AM -0700 skip Heller <velaires(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > on 7/2/03 6:55 AM, bsweet(a)umich.edu at bsweet(a)umich.edu wrote: > > > Karl Berger, who, along with Ornette Coleman, founded the Creative Music > > Studio, sought to convey to musicians that they can--and must--develop a > > connection with, a mastery over, an intimacy with, or--if you can stand > > it--a relationship with the elements of music that have nothing to do > > with traditions or styles. > > I've always disagreed with this practice in art, because, in my heart of > heart, I've always thought history is one of the essential and most > beautiful elements of craft. > > > > Live and breath rhythm and tuning. Develop the skills > > that put you in command of those elements. Disregard jazz, rock, > > classical, avant garde, blues, etc. What do you as a musician have left? > > No background that shaped my world view, no association via music to the > world in which I grew up and hopefully continue to grow. > > > > The music of > > you. > > The music of me is as much a product of the external forces as it is > whatever is inside me. I believe in social music and expression as > communication. My creativity would be less rich without everything good I > ever heard to inform my intuition and lead my judgement about what to > include and what to discard. > > > > You can then take your mastery over the elements common to all music > > and do what you want with them; play jazz if you want to, don't play > > jazz if you don't want to; be whoever you are. Be John Zorn, or be Joe > > Blow. You can call what you play "the music of me," or you can call it > > creative music. > > Whoever I am has everything to do with the world that has shaped me -- and > music is the hugest part of that world. > > best -- > sh >

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RE: NO wave comeback 2003 ?!?!?!
by ahorton 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

I think it's a generation of bands coming up that are heavily influenced by Sonic Youth. SY have always been exceedingly vocal about their no-wave roots and influences. As a teen in the mid-90's, I read "confusion is next: the sonic youth story", and was insanely curious to check out all of these bands- Mars, James Chance/the Contortions, DNA, Teenage Jesus, Rhys Chatham and Glenn Branca, Theoretical Girls/The Static, Bush Tetras and everything that was name-checked and went with that. Next-to-none of it was available in any form at that time- even most of the Atavistic reissues were scarce or not-yet-reissued, so there was no way for the music to be had. Now, it's getting its due, which is nice, and it can be checked out by a new generation of kids. I think the explosion in bands are kids that got into sonic youth and followed them to their roots, and are now imitating those roots. andrew

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NO wave comeback 2003 ?!?!?!
by adam morosky 02 Jul '03

02 Jul '03

well, the way i see it,the reason why no wave is popular again could be: 1)there was a very good article on no wave in The Wire (i believe last year) stating that it involved (or influenced) people who are doing very interesting things now adays (i.e. zorn and the providence, RI scene: lightning bolt, arab on radar, forcefield, etc.,) 2)weasel walter from the flying luttenbachers has a website up (of which i do not have the URL) called the new york no wave archive with a brief overview and great pictures 3)no wave seems to be a buzzword amongst the new Williamsburg, NY bands invading the scene. they drop it like crazy in interviews and shit (i think it's the "cool" thing to do). 4)on the other hand it makes sense for them to mention it because it was truly the last era of real creativity and excitement in new york. painting was popular, new music was popular, shitty places to live were abundant, etc. people could live for near nothing which means TONS OF ARTISTS in new york. 5)time is also due for the next generation of no-wavers. all those people who were involved in or dug the no wave scene are now older and they are beginning to catch some interest from the another group of young artists. as a very intelligent politician i am familiar with once said (;^) ) "it's time for a regime change". in new york that is. so we'll see how it goes, huh? we'll see if this new group compares to the old and if they even get the idea right. and if they get it totally wrong, how will things change and mutate? -adam morosky _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

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