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Re: burt bacharach
by Perfect Sound Forever 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

> Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 17:14:36 +0200 > From: Pom <pom(a)graougraou.com> > > The final tune of "Ground Zero plays standards" is "A Better Tomorrow" mixed > with "I Say A Little Prayer", but it's cheating, because it is actually based > on the Roland Kirk version! It is great nonetheless, as is the rest of the > album (I also think it was recently reissued, so it should be available). Agreed. A great cover and the rest of the album is definitely worth hearing. Other favorites there: "Those Were The Days" and "The Washington March" (aka the Monty Python theme). For Bacharach, I always thought Dionne Warwick (in her pre-psychic days) did his songs the most justice. Best, Jason -- Perfect Sound Forever online music magazine perfect-sound(a)furious.com http://www.perfectsoundforever.com

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Bailey/Hemopheliac/Gift
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Arthur Gadney wrote, a few days ago (I'm catching up): Hello. > >>Derek Bailey - Pieces For Guitar > >(...) > >>Blimey! Wonder how Zorn got Bailey to let these be put out? If they were any good wouldn't DB have put them out on Incus ages ago? > >No, he wouldn't. This is from the Incus homepage: >The Incus vaults hold many so far unissued tapes and videos but its not known when, if ever, they might appear. Our preference is for new or recent recordings and there are usually too many of these in the pipeline to allow us time for rummaging around in the archives. > >Thanks. > Well, that certainly put me in my place. Whether it was intentional or not, this came across as a rude put down. I would expect better. Anyway, I don't take this as proof that "No, he wouldn't". Firstly, the Incus site merely states that their *preference* is for new or recent recordings. The way I read it, this does not preclude archival recordings. Secondly, someone obviously *has* been rummaging around in DB's private archive (presumably DB) otherwise these "personal" recordings would not have come to light. I can't put myself into DB's head, but if it were me and I had my own record label, my first preference would be to release it myself - like the Joseph Holbrooke Trio rehearsal extract. So I smell a rat. I may be wrong, but that's the reasoning behind it. All of you ignored my request for impressions of "Hemopheliac" so I'll ask again - should I spend two hours listening to it again, or sell it on the internet to some completist Patton fan (no doubt it's intended audience anyway)? And finally, someone (I deleted the email by mistake - sorry) asked about the Gift in London. We discussed this nearer the time, but I've appended my comments from then at thre bottom of this email if you're interested. I was surprised at the time that no-one commented on the point about Zorn playing the gig even though he didn't like performing "this kind of music", but then again no-one here (Steve Smith excepted) seems particularly interested in talking about Zorn anymore. Alastair "I was at this too, and I have to say I agreed mostly with the Guardian's point of view. I (more or less) stopped going to rock concerts because if I wanted to hear the CD, I could listen at home (in a chair) and the sound would probably be better. OK, the sound and chair arguments don't apply with the Barbican (or Barbi-kharn, as JZ called it) but you know where I'm coming from... It surprises me that people came to the gig expecting Zorn to play sax (as has been reported earlier). Have they not heard the CD? The fact that Zorn felt compelled to say that he didn't usually like playing this kind of music live spoke volumes - considering how many different projects he has on the go could he not have suggested that, much as those at the Barbican like The Gift that something else would be preferable? Reminds me of Spinal Tap's decision to play Jazz Odyssey in front of a festival audience ;>) I also thought it was a great shame that Dave Douglas came all the way over merely to play on one track, although the encore more than made up for it. Someone mentioned electric Miles; Ribot was very McLaughlin circa Jack Johnson, Jamie Saft finally got to let loose in a Chick Corea style and the percussionists gave it that Dark Magus feel. Hey Dave, you were at this too. Now you've had time to ponder, anything to add? " -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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DER TRIBUN by Mauricio Kagel?
by Patrice L. Roussel 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

In the booklet of HETEROPHONIE (Wergo), there is on the last page an ad for other records. Among a few, the following one is listed: ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ *** - DER TRIBUN/... NACH EINER LEKTURE VON ORWELL: Mauricio Kagel ???? - Wergo (Germany), WER 63052 (CD) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Does anybody know if it has already been released? Thanks, Patrice.

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Re: great albums
by TagYrIt＠aol.com 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

In a message dated 7/1/2002 12:26:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, velaires(a)earthlink.net writes: > I also nominate Thomas Dolby's ALIENS ATE MY BUICK. Half of it is killing, > but I forgot until Mr trenkel shook a cobweb loose. > > I've listened to Astronauts and Heretics several times recently too. What a jem!!! Has anyone heard the new one called Forty yet? Dale.

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Re: Worst record by someone I normally love
by Bernie hotmail 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

David Bowie: Never Let Me Down Bernie.

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Re: worst record
by Bernie hotmail 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

IMHO the CD "Great Jewish Music by Burt Bacharach" only has one anoying track which is in the second CD (starts like a cat singing), but the other tracks could be qualified from good to masterworks (in this case, for instance the one by Dave Douglas). Bernie. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Caleb T. Deupree" <cdeupree(a)erinet.com> > To: <zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com> > Sent: Monday, July 01, 2002 11:42 AM > Subject: worst record > > > > Now that I've mentioned The Willies in this context, I have a few more. > > > > Charles Hayward, Switch on War. I was a big This Heat and Camberwell fan, > > but this album gives me a headache every time I listen. > > > > Great Jewish Music by Burt Bacharach. There might be a few gems in there, > > but this was the album that stopped me cold from any considerations of > > being a Tzadik completist. > > > > Diamanda Galas, The Singer. After her great work on the Plague Mass and > > all of the preliminary releases that led up to it, this melodramatic > > display also stopped me cold. Granted, she probably toasted her vocal > > cords from too many performances of PM, but still. > > > > Stockhausen, anything after Mantra. Sorry, still haven't gotten my ears > > around the opera. Maybe you have to be there. > > > > Otomo Yoshihide, Filament 1. He's done other interesting sine wave work, > > even under the Filament name, but this one, his first, is still pretty > dull. > > -- > > > > Caleb Deupree > > cdeupree(a)erinet.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > zorn-list mailing list > > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage > below > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > >

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Worst by admired, best by loathed
by William Crump 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

For part one, I'm tempted to mention Sgt. Pepper, but I won't. Instead I'll mention... ZAPPA/MOTHERS: JUST ANOTHER BAND FROM L.A. I've been a Flo & Eddie hater for decades now, and despite an interesting take on "Call Any Vegetable," when I listen to this I think I must know how Dustin Hoffman's character felt after a couple of days of dental care from Laurence Olivier in "Marathon Man." Part two-- UB40: SIGNING OFF. Is it cheating to cite a group's first album? All this material was recorded before they ever gave me a reason to hate them. Yet hate them I do, except for these rawly played, emotional songs, esp. the cover of Randy Newman's "I Think It's Going To Rain Today." William Crump --

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Fwd: Re: Worst Record ever Made (by someone you normally admire)
by Efrén del Valle 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Hi, There goes a list of heroes doing awful things (for me). Remco hits the nail in several of his choices! Maybe those records are better than the average, but you expect more from these guys. Just looking at one of my Cd towers I get all of these: -Marc Ribot & Los Cubanos Postizos: "Muy divertido" Pathetic, simply pathetic. An abyss opens between their first and their second release. - Satlah: Any of their two Tzadik releases. I might try to save their live but their music doesn't seem to work. Pretty amateurish attempt to join Coltrane and Jewish tradition. Clumsy. - Fred Frith "Cheap at Half the Price". remco said it all. - Derek Bailey & Susie Ibarra "Daedal". And now they've released a follow-up. Does anyone manage to listen it in one sitting without falling asleep? - Again, Remco... You know I have a tendency to sell Frisell records! - Norman Yamada "Being and Time". What the hell is this? Maybe a musical rendition of boredom in big capitals. Shame on Tzadik for publishing this. - Susie Ibarra "Songbird Suite". I can't understand so much appraisal for this record. Ibarra's drumming is amazing, as was her "Flower after Flower" but there's nothing here! Best, EfrÃ©n del Valle n.p: Tom Waits "Alice" (Certainly not the worst recording ever made!) > > John Zorn: My First Recordings/ wank, wank, can't > believe I even bought this > Ornette Coleman: Virgin Beauty/ don't know what to > say, lame fusion? > Chris Potter: Gratitude/ just so conservatory, > derivative and over-clever > Dave Douglas: Magic Triangle/ just lame jazz > Ginger Baker: all of his African Airforce material/ > untight ramblings going > on and on and on (oops, already sold this stuff!) > Lol Coxhill & Pat Thomas: Halim/ yuk jazzdance with > a lame beat, and > entirely non-swinging. No idea what they intended to > do here. > Mahavishnu Orchestra: this eighties or early > nineties album with the word > RADIO in it/ lame fusion with a flat synth drum beat > (again: already sold > it!) > Fred Frith: Cheap at half the price/ trying to be > pop, the results sound > like a sad wannabe's demo, with a tiny twist > > > > or, coming closer to 'all time worst records ever': > The Damned: the album called 'Anything' > Ian Anderson: this eighties synthi solo album, > preceeding the countless > mediocre Jethro Tull Albums. > > Regards, Remco Takken > > > > _______________________________________________ > zorn-list mailing list > zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com > To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, > go to the webpage below > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _______________________________________________________________ Copa del Mundo de la FIFA 2002 El Ãºnico lugar de Internet con vÃdeos de los 64 partidos. Â¡ApÃºntante ya! en http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/es/

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Re: Zorn/SY South Bank Show
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Rob Young wrote: > >>And now: the Zorn content: does anyone in the UK remember the ITV >>'South Bank Show' documentary on JZ and Sonic Youth (two separate >>half hour films)? Those were the days, eh? I do. They were. I'd not heard of Zorn at the time, so I was watching it for the SY content. It made a lasting impression on me though - specifically the shots of Zorn's apartment, which appeared to consist of one tatami mat and three zillion records. Why are South Bank Shows NEVER repeated? ? I admit that most of them are of little lasting interest, are of the time, etc, but if we can have repeats of topical news quizzes six months or more after the news has ceased being topical I don't see why they can't repeat SBSs. If anybody has a VHS copy of the show they'd like to dub for me though... Alastair -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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nice thread(s), Arto, etc.
by JKlein2373＠aol.com 01 Jul '02

01 Jul '02

Hmm, I kind of like this best/worst thread. Worst album: Wyclef Jean, The Ecleftic - Wyclef obviously sports some talent, but this album is ridiculous. He covers Pink Floyd, ropes Kenny Rogers in to remake "The Gambler," and then dedicates this faux-carribean song to Amado Diallo and then follows it with a fake electro ditty dedicated to strippers. Oh my God, is it bad. Grown on me: I liked Jeff Buckley's Grace the first few times I listened to it, then I didn't, then I did, then I didn't, etc. I currently really like it. Same for U2's Joshua Tree (currently like it), Built to Spill's Perfect >From Now On, The Cure's Disintegration. I think I just have trouble wrapping my ears around overplayed records. Weird stuff like Beefheart, Eno or Zorn has rarely disappointed me, though Sonic Youth was pretty disappointing for me throughout the '90s. But I like the new one a lot. Disappointing: For some reason, despite the amazing players involved, I thought the last Joe Henry was just so so, but I really want to hear what he does with the new Solomon Burke. Along those lines, I think the new Arto is great, and I feel his last few have expanded Brazilian music a hair. They all have some great ties to hip hop and r&b, plus drum and bass and noise, but they still stick to samba/bossa nova. I also think the new Neil Finn is beautiful. "Driving Me Mad," "Secret God" and "Rest of the Day Off" are all as good as many of his past songs. Josh

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