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Re: Phill Niblock - and hello NYers
by alastair＠pretentious.co.uk 28 May '02

28 May '02

Herb Levy wrote: >I'm pretty sure that the Wire never printed anything like notes for this >set. Oh well. Thanks for the link! And by the way...I'm off to New York tomorrow (Weds) for a week. I'll definitely be at the Zorn event at the Merkin on Saturday and the Derek Bailey/Susie Ibarra gig (both sets?) at Tonic on Friday and possibly other gigs during the week. If you see a balding Englishman in his early thirties toting a Rough Trade record bag and looking slightly bewildered, come over and say hello. Alastair -- Personalised email by http://another.com

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nzc-interview-waits
by jason tors 28 May '02

28 May '02

http://www.newsreview.com/issues/chico/2002-05-02/music.asp great interview __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

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RE: Masada First Live - wrong date???
by Andreas Dietz 28 May '02

28 May '02

the given lineup lists Marc Ribot for Dave Douglas: 11pm: Masada with John Zorn, Marc Ribot, Greg Cohen {program sez Sebastian Steinberg} & Joey Baron I think this doesnÂ´t fit with the CD... Andreas np: Art Ensemble - Complete Live In Japan (DIW) btw IÂ´ve seen an advertising of a LP reissue: Art Ensemble - Chi Congo on a label called PAULA. This may be for some interest... >When I look at this closer, I'm not sure... the report from THIEVES QUARTET >doesn't match with Masada recording. Besides, they would play THIEVES >QUARTET from the filmworks, not Masada. Masada was playing on 22 September >1993: > >So, not "1" is missing, but "2". It was Sept. 22. __________________________________________________________________ > Artur Nowak [arno at emd dot pl] www.emd.pl/muzyka > NP: Masada First Live _________________________________________________________________ Testen Sie MSN Messenger fÃ¼r Ihren Online-Chat mit Freunden: http://messenger.msn.com

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Estradasphere
by Arthur Gadney 27 May '02

27 May '02

Hello guys. >Is it just that they are heavily influenced by something great (NC), that >came before them, Of course not, its more like: How interesting would a new band called Porno Pistols playing 3 chord punk versions of God Save Prince Charles be? Enough is enough. This is just my personal opinion, Im happy that others seem to like Estradasphere. >or did one of them sleep with your girlfriend? ;-) Ah, girlfriend The words sound so sweet in my ear, yet so far away. ;-) >You cannot deny their skill as musicians. Do you mean their chops? Or is it what Ken calls schtick and makes him want to kill people? For me a good musician is somebody who plays good music. Estradasphere are perhaps good in the sense of a professionel studio musicians or a David Sanborn backing group. Id ten times rather listen to Naked City stumble through Demon Sanctuary than Estradasphere play a highly skillful version of their lame what-ever. >I have never heard a band that is 100 % original. If you investigate well >enough, you can find someone who's done it before. I mean, you don't listen >to Miles davis or Charles Mingus because they are original. I agree, but bringing this up in the context of Estradashpere is, well, fairly out of proportions to say the least. >One of their great abilities is to copy Mr. Bungle note by note. Of course >nobody's 100% original but this... I agree. They are probably ripping off Bungle more than they are Naked City. Why Spruance and other Bungle people hang around Estradasphere I have no idea, but I guess they liked to be kissed in their asses. Or maybe they are just really nice guys, who knows. Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

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Re: Estradsphere (was: Sacrifist)
by Darti Bastamai 27 May '02

27 May '02

I agree that estradasphere is a great band, one of the best to come out in a while. You cannot deny their skill as musicians. I have never heard a band that is 100 % original. If you investigate well enough, you can find someone who's done it before. I mean, you don't listen to Miles davis or Charles Mingus because they are original. You listen to them because they have the skills and can write damn good music, even if the style is borrowed. To me, a great musician takes something done before and make it their own. You use an old style so people can see (or hear, rather) that you know what you are doing and have the skills, then you make it your own, put your own little flare on it to express what YOU feel while showing your influences so the listener can know where you are coming from. Your people then identify and become comfortable, then you kick them in the ass with your own voice and attitude. I mean, i cannot explain the exhileration I felt the first time I heard "King Crab Battle". I also agree that Estradasphere studio albums (especially the last one. they need to tone Trey Spruance down quite a bit) are way over produced, and if that was the only thing I had heard of theirs, I wouldn't like them very much either. They shine in a live setting, and being in the studio doesn't do them justice. There are quite a few bootlegs floating around so if you can get a copy of one, it would be well worth it. If you wanna trade for a couple or so, I'm open for it. >From: Rich Williams <punkjazz(a)snet.net> >To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Estradsphere (was: Sacrifist) >Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 18:02:42 -0400 > >> >>Now, Naked City live, THAT is the stuff!!! Back then, this stuff was >>really cool and fresh. I mean, it was actually something. Now it >>seems every damn you hipster band, tries out this stuff. A bit of >>hard core, a surf cover etc. It's pointless. Is there a worse band >>than Estradasphere, I'd like to know about it. > > > Wow, are you(we) really that jaded?. I find Estradasphere >BETTER than 90% of the so-called indie bands out there. Really fun to >see live, though their records are somewhat over-produced. Is it >just that they are heavily influenced by something great (NC), that >came before them, or did one of them sleep with your girlfriend? ;-) > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: Phill Niblock
by Herb Levy 27 May '02

27 May '02

I'm pretty sure that the Wire never printed anything like notes for this set. This compilation is being re-issued by XI some time,I think before the end of the year. They've never released a disc without some kind of notes, so that release will probably have more info, some of which may be available online at <http://experimentalintermedia.org/>, where you can find information about lots of other recordings and performances in downtown NY going back into the mists of time long before the Knitting Factory was whatever the heck it is now. >Message: 11 >Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 14:29:29 +0100 (BST) >From: alastair(a)pretentious.co.uk >To: chris selvig < selvig(a)sonic.net >, zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: Phill Niblock > >------=_Part_47576_2011101.1022506169896 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > >Whoops - meant to send to the list. Apologies.. > >-----Original Message----- >From : alastair(a)pretentious.co.uk >To : chris selvig <selvig(a)sonic.net> >Date : 27 May 2002 14:26:45 >Subject : Phill Niblock > > >Chris Selvig mentioned: > > > >>Phill Niblock's excellent =FDYoung Person's Guide to Phill Niblock,=FD=20 > > > >I got this through the Wire many moons ago, very late, with a letter promi= >sing a fully informative booklet which they were having production problems= > with. Never got it - did anyone?=20 > > > >The music is worth whatever you pay for it, but a little more information = >would have been nice... > > > >Alastair > > -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147 herb(a)eskimo.com

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Re: Cage E's Bite Size (TM) vikto reviews, ver. 5.20
by Kurt Gottschalk 27 May '02

27 May '02

ken believes with all his hearr: >One massive missed opportunity was not utilizing the >25 British musicians of Tapestry in other concerts. >For a start there could have been a Dunmall-Rogers duo >concert, or a way for those two to play with a drummer >plus/and or another musician such as saxophonist Simon >Picard. i think such combining and recombining, however, would be pretty counter to victo's usual programming. i won't speculate as to why, but it seems victo present pretty clear and unchanging festivals, unlike the special guest and late night jam fetes more common in strictly jazz festivals. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: Evan Parker + Derek Bailey
by Dan Given 27 May '02

27 May '02

> Hello, > > I heard from a very reliable source that Evan Parker managed to get some old > master tapes out of Derek Bailey and will be releasing them on his own > record company. Pretty spetacular news, no? The old webpage at the Emanem site for PSI (EP's company) had a quote from Parker about wanting to put out some older material, including getting the disc with George Lewis back in print. He wasn't specific about which one, but there are three I know of (From Saxophone and Trombone duo, Hook Drift & Shuffle quartet, and a company disc) and all are on Incus. It may be that Parker already owned the tapes for the duo or quartet records, rather than having left them with Bailey/Incus. > Did anybody manage to listen to the new Han Bennink & Evan Parker CD? Yeah, I've played it two or three times, and Iike it. Nothing unexpected. The first track I really liked, with EP on tenor. Othr than that, it isn't any thing really special.. I hear it more as Han reacting to Parker, rather than a real give and take collaboration. Parker has his thing that he does, and Han fills in the blanks, accents, etc. (of course, this is the same way I feel about Parker in almost any duo situation) Dan

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Upcoming Tim Berne on New World?
by Alan Lankin 27 May '02

27 May '02

Anyone have details on this one? Tim Berne - Sevens (New World) June 25 Alan Lankin -- Jazzmatazz http://jazzmatazz.home.att.net lankina(a)att.net

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Walter Thompson Orchestra
by Nate Dogg 27 May '02

27 May '02

Hello list, As someone living in Europe, interested in improvisational conducting systems, and unable to go see the WTO myself, could someone in NYC please offer their critical opinion of Walter Thompson and his "sound painting"? Thanks, Nathan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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