November 2002 - zorn-list - mailman.xmission.com

Re: John Cage on video and CD
by Herb Levy 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

"Arthur Gadney" <a_gadney(a)hotmail.com> asked: >Hi, > >Does anybody know where I can locate a copy of the John Cage documentary >"Revenge of the Dead Indians" (1993) by Henning Lohner? It sounds very >interesting, and Zorn also appears in it, btw. > >And what about Cage CDs where he reads or talks. Is there any CDs released >with Cage interviews on, or maybe where he reads some of his many famous >anecdotes and small stories? I'd love to hear something like that. > >Cheers! Hi Arthur, I haven't seen a commercial video of Revenge of the Dead Indians. It's been a long time since I saw it at all, but I think it was an actual film version of it. There are several other videos available though, and CDs which include him talking. For films on video there's The Peter Greenaway film called, I think, John Cage, one of a series of four on American composers (the others are Robert Ashley, Philip Glass & Meredith Monk); Facets <http://www.facets.org> used to have this & several other videos of Cage documentaries available, I haven't checked but they probably still do. The archetypal recording of Cage talking, and probably what you're thinking of when you asked about recordings of anecdotes, is Indeterminacy, released by Folkways, which is a studio recording of Cage reciting 90 of his brief anecdotes in 90 minutes while David Tudor is simultaneously creating electronic sounds that sometimes drown out Cage's voice. The rest of the recordings of Cage speaking that are comparatively easily available are, for the most part, less discursive and more abstract. Mode Records has a couple of 2-CD sets: Roaratorio (which includes the hour-long horspiel done for one of the German radio stations, Cage reciting "Writing for the 2nd Time Through Finnegans Wake" which forms the basis for the horspiel, & LaughTears an interview about the process of making Roaratorio from Writing Through) & The Text Pieces 1 (which includes "Series re Morris Graves," "What You Say" & (my favorite of the set) "Art is Either a Complaint or Do Something Else"). The book publication of the Harvard lectures Cage gave (I-VI) includes recordings of one of the talks and a question & answer session (on cassette in the older hardcover edition, on CD in the newer paperback). There's also a historical recording of Cage reciting a long section of Empty Words, which is made up of parts of words from Thoreau's diaries, before an increasingly restless audience in Italy. This was originally released by the Italian label Cramps & has been reissued a couple of times, most of which releases have been cut out. Since you're interested in interviews and anecdotes, this may not be what you have in mind, but it's a remarkable instance of fortitude in the face of some angry audience members. There are also lots of excerpts of Cage talks on various compilations, & several other composers have used recordings of his voice in works of their own, but this should get you started. Bests, Herb -- Herb Levy Mappings: new music in RealAudio P O Box 9369 Forth Wort, TX 76147 USA http://antennaradio.com/mappings/show.htm mappings(a)antennaradio.com New music auctions: <http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=hrebll>

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Zorn's output & the nature of collecting
by Tosh 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

I am simply amazed and overwhelmed in how many recordings Zorn puts out. There is no way in heaven or hell I can afford all of his recordings (and that is Zorn himself, not even counting the rest of the artists on his label). The recordings of the one's I like I go back and listen to a lot. So in a sense I never get bored or tired with 'my favorite Zorn' records. Also so far I avoided the live Naked City because I don't want to rehash the same songs over again - but that maybe a mistake on my part. The live recording may have a certain intensity or 'feel' that is not on the studio recording. I am presuming that Zorn himself is a collector - and I think he treats his label and recordings with that collecting mentality in mind. My guess is that if he likes an artist - he would have everything by that artist. So with that in mind, I think Zorn offers his audience the same opportunity to own everything of his work. Hopefully in January, I will be putting out Boris Vian's L'Ecume des jours (Foam of the Daze), and one of the main characters in the novel is a hardcore collector of Jean-Paul Sartre's books, personal papers, his clothing, everything. It eventually causes that character's downfall. I think of collecting as a powerful drug like existence - which is something I have to be careful with. But now I am getting off the subject.... Ciao, -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com

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Labels and weapons (zero zorn content. I hope! ;-)
by Arthur Gadney 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

Hi, On the back of the new album by Godspeed You Black Emporer there is a drawing explaining the connection between mayor record labels and the weapons industry. I take it's not a joke, but I wonder just how serious it is. Anybody know of any further info on this topic? And why do GYBE keep making the same record? The first one was a masterpiece, the ep was great, but still the same old things?! Cheers, _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: Comments on CD Burning/Unauthorized Duplication etc.
by TagYrIt＠aol.com 30 Nov '02

30 Nov '02

In a message dated 11/29/2002 8:28:47 PM Eastern Standard Time, germ(a)iinet.net.au writes: > Similarly with the buyer, as you said the artist has already got whatever > money they are going to with the initial sale. When someone buys it used, > there is still only one owner, and hence shouldn't there still only be one > payoff to the artist? > > For this part of the arguement, this is exactly right. Why should this be any different from a used car? Dale.

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Comments on CD Burning/Unauthorized Duplication etc.
by john schuller 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

I was curious as to some opinions on the subjects of CD Burning or Unauthorized Duplication. I have been in an ongoing discussion with a friend of mine on the subject. He is very much against it. I am against it on true independent releases, and for it on major label releases and artificial independent labels. In the case of my own release, I do not mind if it gets duplicated. My friend says I am crazy for thinking that way... He is also very much against audience taping. I happen to love it because it gives me a chance to hear live versions of music that will probably never see the light of day. I love it when someone tapes my music live, in fact I find it to be an honor. I am however against the sale of audience recordings. Then there is the subject of used cd's. I told him that when he bought a used cd he may as well have made an unauthorized copy...becuase the artist does not see any of the money past the initial sale of that cd. Or that when he sells used cd's to stores he may as well be selling audience tapes because he is now making money off of someone else's music. Any thoughts? I am not against selling or buying of used cd's. I just think it is an area that could use some commentary. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

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ULMER + Sam Rivers
by Rick Lopez 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

I copied this VIDEO off for Anthony Rogers awhile back, and sadly he has passed away. I'll send it to the first person who needs to hear it-- http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k/RIVERS.disc.html#93.10.09 Okay, RL http://www.velocity.net/~bb10k CRISPELL; Wm. PARKER; RIVERS; D.S. WARE / COURVOISIER; ENEIDI; IBARRA; MANERI; MORRIS; SHIPP; SPEARMAN / THREADGILL; WORKMAN / Beckett Eulogy; Baseball & the 10,000 Things; Time Stops; LOVETORN; HARD BOIL; LUCILLE-- a Reverential Journal of the Care of the Beloved Hag...

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Comments on CD burning, etc.
by Tosh 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

I rather get the original packaging and CD, instead of a CD-R. And I only buy used CD's with respect to my financial situation. If I can swing it money wise, I would buy a brand new CD. On taping concerts from an audience viewpoint...there is something powerful about the memory of being at a concert. I find recordings - especially bootleg recordings kind of interfering with my (selected) memory of the live show. I like to live with the performance in my head without hearing it again via the recording machine, etc. Also, on a semi-regular basis I do clear out my CD collection and go to an used record store to get credit to buy new stuff. But again, this is more of an issue for me to make room for new stuff. THere is something meditative about getting credit and using that credit at a record store - without knowing beforehand what one buys. I find that totally relaxing. -- Tosh Berman TamTam Books http://www.tamtambooks.com

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Re: Cactus World News (non zorn)
by Rory Carr 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

I remember Cactus World News. Well, I remember their name anyway. They were one of the post-U2 Irish bands who were hyped (by Hot Press, no doubt) to be big but weren't, were they not? I'm curious as to why you'd mention this on a Zorn list. They were never particularly avant-ish were they? Rory. > From: Brian Hickey <brianh(a)emagine-media.com> > For anyone who remembers or is interested, the band > Cactus World News have > an official site at http://www.cactusworldnews.com > and have just re-released > their debut album, Urban Beaches. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com

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Zorn world premiere at the Miller Theatre
by jeni 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Miller Theatre concert announcement: Thursday, December 5 at 8pm New York Hardcore Jennifer Koh, violin with guest Reiko Uchida, piano Sizzling young violinist Jennifer Koh returns to Miller Theatre following her star-turn last season in John ZornĀ’s violin concerto Contes des FĆ©es. Now a New Yorker herself, Koh has put together a street-smart valentine in music to her new hometown. Works by five of New YorkĀ’s greatest (including a new work written for Koh by Zorn) makes this the solo performance not to be missed. Program: Elliott Carter: From Ā“4 LaudsĀ”: Ā“Rhapsodic MusingsĀ”; Ā“Riconoscenza per Goffredo PetrassiĀ” Charles Wuorinen: Sonata for Violin and Piano Ornette Coleman: Ā“Trinity: Fantasy for Solo ViolinĀ” Steve Reich: Ā“Violin PhaseĀ” for Violin and Pre-recorded Tape John Zorn: Ā“Goetia: Incantations for ViolinĀ” (world premiere) Tickets: $20 Columbia Students: $7 with CUID (Box Office Sales Only) Columbia Faculty/Staff and Other Students: $12 with valid ID (Box Office Sales Only) Miller Theatre is located at 116th and Broadway. For more information, call 212-854-7799. --------------------------- Free mailbox - http://webmail.delfi.lt/

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Shostakovich
by John Williams 29 Nov '02

29 Nov '02

Any Shostakovich fans out there if you want something a little more intimate and intense I cannot recommend the cycle of 15 string quartets highly enough. I have just been working my way through them and they are a preferable option to the large scale works in my opinion. I have the decca box with the Fitzwilliam String Quartet which is quite a good buy. In fact this particular group premiered D Shos's late quartets in the west and are very highly regarded. cheers

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