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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Eclipse Movie
by D P Pierce 25 Aug '13

25 Aug '13

Chuck, At the other end of the eclipse path is the New Madrid fault. We could throw in the Mississippi River running backwards like in 1811 and the destruction of Memphis and St. Louis. Of course the Arch would still be standing but not much else. Deloy

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Someone pull the plug in the lake?
by Bruce Hugo 25 Aug '13

25 Aug '13

Ooooo... this might age me... Heeeheheheeeee!!! Will It Go Round In Circles 1971 Billy Preston: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuFOkAL8ihM -------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Aug 2013 19:47:04 -0600 From: Patrick Wiggins <paw(a)wirelessbeehive.com> To: Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Someone pull the plug in the lake? (Patrick Wiggins) Message-ID: <3E3D966F-EACE-4A43-85DA-E684BF942A6C(a)wirelessbeehive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 24 Aug 2013, at 07:44, Bruce Hugo wrote: > Its a lake crop circle! The aliens are tryint to tell us something! Maybe it's trying to tell us that discussing busses and USGS reports is just taking us around in circles. :) patrick

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Someone pull the plug in the lake?
by Patrick Wiggins 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

I was flying over the Great Salt Lake last evening (Friday) a few minutes after sunset when I noticed something in/on the lake I've never seen before. Looked almost like someone had pulled the plug in the bottom of the lake and the water was swirling down. :) I wondered if some sort of giant swirl of air could have created it however the air was quite calm with just a little turbulence. Here's a link to the image. It's just a cell phone image so not high quality but it does show what I saw. Any thoughts on what it was? http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/temp/gslswirl.jpg

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Someone pull the plug in the lake? (Patrick Wiggins)
by Bruce Hugo 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

Its a lake crop circle! The aliens are tryint to tell us something!

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] USGS Report: Gas and Oil around and in NP in southern Utah; More dark skies at serious risk.
by Joe Bauman 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

My opinion is that if someday we need to use every last drop of oil, then I guess it will happen. But that time is literally hundreds of years away, based on known energy reserves. Meanwhile, it's vital that we protect some vital resources, our pristine environment, clear skies and the water we need. Those oil tracts wouldn't make much difference in our overall energy use, but nobody can truly restore nature once it's plundered and we aren't about to magically get more water. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 9:05 AM MDT Siegfried Jachmann wrote: >I agree about the water. We're being asked to conserve already. We're >trying to spread the same amount of water to a growing population. There is >an ongoing advertising campaign asking us to conserve. That affects the >quality of life. What we need currently is more water infrastructure. We >need more dams. > >Whether we need the oil and gas RIGHT NOW becomes a mute point. As Chuck >and I said, in the face of an ever growing population, and that is >world-wide, sooner or later we will need to tap all available resources or >become a third-world world. We can exist on less than what we consume but >as a nation, do we really want to? > >Oil and gas are still the best resources for our country. We have not >developed a more efficient fuel for cars than gasoline. The additives >currently being used add cost and decrease efficiency. We have an ever >increasing demand for these resources. I'm not saying I like the >alternative, not at all. I'm looking to the future and saying, this is the >face of reality, this is the road we're going down. > > > >On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 7:35 AM, Erik Hansen <erikhansen(a)thebluezone.net>wrote: > >> >It is a false assumption to say we need these resources now, renewable >> sources are being largely ignored. Water is a more important resource >> than oil and gas in the SW, this shortage is here now. >> >> >> At some point in time as the population continues to grow, we will need to >> > access those resources. I think it's a false sense of stewardship to >> > protect some of the areas now protected. We have need for some of those >> > resources now. >> > >> > >> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 10:28 PM, Joe Bauman >> > <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com>wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > You are mixing up wilderness protection with national parks, Chuck. >> > Parts >> > of national parks are managed for wilderness values but the NPS is also >> > charged with providing for visitors as well as protecting resources. >> > There >> > will be no industrial development in national parks, as mandated by the >> > Park Service's Organic Act. The tracts proposed for development are not >> > in >> > parks. But many of them have been found to have qualities of >> > roadlessness, >> > solitude, and other factord that could qualify them for wilderness >> > protection. One of Utah's most precious resources is its pristine >> > wilderness, which should be protected for the future. -- Joe >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:13 PM MDT Larry Holmes wrote: >> > >> > >Chuck, that could almost apply to any place in Nevada. 73 >> > > >> > >Sent from my iPad >> > > >> > >On Aug 23, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > > >> > > Affordable energy is an actual need for a lot of people, too, Joe. >> > > >> > > Look, I'm not a "drill, baby, drill" advocate. But likewise I >> > haven't >> > > found a lot of solitude in most of the National Parks I've visited, >> > at >> > > least during 3 seasons of the year. I'm sure you would be mostly >> > alone >> > in >> > > January in most of them. They are typically crawling with thousands >> > of >> > > people, all crammed into small spaces around the edges of the >> > cordoned-off >> > > vistas. The places where visitors are allowed are not wilderness >> > anymore. >> > > >> > > You want solitude? Let's go to an isolated place here in the west I >> > know >> > > of, about 70 miles north of Battle Mountain, Nevada. Not a foreign >> > > tourist, group of bicyclists, or family of of loud kids and dogs, >> > for >> > > miles. Just the occassional cow and coyote. And no drilling rigs. >> > No >> > > amazing red-rock formations either, but the sky is pretty darn dark. >> > > >> > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com >> > >> > wrote: >> > > >> > > And someday the sun will become a planetary nova. But looking at >> > > everything from that sort of standpoint is not helpful for our >> > generation's >> > > real dilemmas. Wilderness and solitude may be actual needs for some >> > people, >> > > including me. -- Joe >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > > >> > > Send messages to the list to >> > > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > > >> > > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> > club. >> > > >> > > To unsubscribe go to: >> > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > > >> > >_______________________________________________ >> > >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > > >> > >Send messages to the list to >> > >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > > >> > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> > club. >> > > >> > >To unsubscribe go to: >> > >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > >> > Send messages to the list to >> > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > >> > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> > club. >> > >> > To unsubscribe go to: >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Siegfried >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > >> > Send messages to the list to >> > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > >> > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> club. >> > >> > To unsubscribe go to: >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > > > >-- >Siegfried >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Sun Party
by Bruce Hugo 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

Actually the sun party wasn't bad today. Some clouds got in the way of the view but also we were able to "wowed" some public. Had a sprinkle come though around 11am but it was brief. Bruce Hugo

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Posts not showing up
by Dale Wilson 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

Hey Patrick, I've been trying to post replies on UA and they either go to peoples spam or they don't show up at all. I used to get my own responses back to my own email. I don't even get those. Is it me, or something I'm doing/not doing? Dale

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Sun Party
by Bruce Hugo 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

I just checked Clear Sky Chart. Looks like clear sky tomorrow morning until 2pm. I'll be heading to the SLAS sun party. Anyone else? Bruce Hugo Equipped with his five senses, man explores the universe around him and calls the adventure Science. - Edwin Powell Hubble

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] USGS Report: Gas and Oil around and in NP in southern Utah; More dark skies at serious risk.
by Joe Bauman 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

You are mixing up wilderness protection with national parks, Chuck. Parts of national parks are managed for wilderness values but the NPS is also charged with providing for visitors as well as protecting resources. There will be no industrial development in national parks, as mandated by the Park Service's Organic Act. The tracts proposed for development are not in parks. But many of them have been found to have qualities of roadlessness, solitude, and other factord that could qualify them for wilderness protection. One of Utah's most precious resources is its pristine wilderness, which should be protected for the future. -- Joe ------------------------------ On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 8:13 PM MDT Larry Holmes wrote: >Chuck, that could almost apply to any place in Nevada. 73 > >Sent from my iPad > >On Aug 23, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Affordable energy is an actual need for a lot of people, too, Joe. >> >> Look, I'm not a "drill, baby, drill" advocate. But likewise I haven't >> found a lot of solitude in most of the National Parks I've visited, at >> least during 3 seasons of the year. I'm sure you would be mostly alone in >> January in most of them. They are typically crawling with thousands of >> people, all crammed into small spaces around the edges of the cordoned-off >> vistas. The places where visitors are allowed are not wilderness anymore. >> >> You want solitude? Let's go to an isolated place here in the west I know >> of, about 70 miles north of Battle Mountain, Nevada. Not a foreign >> tourist, group of bicyclists, or family of of loud kids and dogs, for >> miles. Just the occassional cow and coyote. And no drilling rigs. No >> amazing red-rock formations either, but the sky is pretty darn dark. >> >> On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> >> And someday the sun will become a planetary nova. But looking at >> everything from that sort of standpoint is not helpful for our generation's >> real dilemmas. Wilderness and solitude may be actual needs for some people, >> including me. -- Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options". > >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Someone pull the plug in the lake?
by Ed 24 Aug '13

24 Aug '13

Patrick, Great picture of a calm sea, but not to worry, the drain plug is still in place. I see curved patterns, but I do not see a complete swirl as you imply. My guess it is flotsam common on the lake surface blown by very mild surface breezes into the pattern you see. Sometimes on calm days you can see a near-circular pattern of clear fresh water floating (yes, floating) on the surface of the lake delineated by the material floating on the salt brine next to the fresh water. That fresh, and cold, water comes from a spring near the eastern shore under the lake. A strong breeze near the surface destroys the visible boundary and soon mixes the two densities of water. Ed

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