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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Intelligent Design Scores Victory Over Evolution
by Olhomorto＠aol.com 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

To me it is amazing that Robertson has such a following in terms of television viewers. He ought to be a universal laughing stock, but sadly, there will be many people who are actually worried that his "predictions" will come true. Mike

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Re: Intelligent Design Scores Victory Over Evolution
by Chuck Hards 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

Watching NOVA this weekend, I was pretty encouraged to see the recent advances in bio-chemistry and DNA manipulation. All the scientists they asked were firm in their belief that actually creating life in the lab is very close to being achieved. They spoke of making an "alien", meaning it wouldn't be genetically related to familiar earthly DNA lines, but would pass muster as a true "life form". Religious fundamentalists will undoubtedly call this "playing god", or "Frankenstein" experimentation, and miss the point entirely- that life is truly a biological machine and can be assembled and manipulated as such, once we understand the basic mechanisms sufficiently. They will see it as a threat to THEIR understanding of the singular importance of humanity as central to God's grand design, missing the fact that it only underscores the wonder and magnificence of the universe as set in-motion by God. Further, I worry for the safety of those scientists. They may be targeted by unstable, psychotic individuals much in the manner of certain members of the health-care industry. "Abortion-clinic" bombings and shootings come to mind. This is the terrorist mentality...kill those who don't agree with your beliefs. __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Cynthia, HELP!
by astrodeb＠charter.net 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

I used to use the name of my favorite horse as my password at some sites. There is probably only one person on this list that knows his name so it is pretty secure. Debbie > > From: Chuck Hards <chuckhards(a)yahoo.com> > Date: 2005/11/12 Sat PM 11:17:40 MST > To: Utah-Astro <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: [Utah-astronomy] Cynthia, HELP! > > Cynthia, please email me off-list and tell me what my > username and password are for the Gallery. For some > reason, what I thought it is just isn't working! > > Sorry, folks, it's called CRS syndrome. Yes, I wrote > it down- then forgot where I put the written reminder. > > :( > > > > > __________________________________ > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Intelligent Design Scores Victory, Over Evolution
by David Moulton 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

The ranch we owned when I was a kid was eventually purchased by some well-to-do types (owner of Tombstone Pizza, as I recall). They built a huge house directly on the spot where I remember seeing a 5 or 6 foot deep raging flood in 1977. That particular flood nearly killed my sister. They don't seem to care about that, as its in the past. I suspect they're overdo for a repeat. dave utah-astronomy-request(a)mailman.xmission.com wrote: > >What struck me was their advice about the periodic flooding of the >river-- > >

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Cynthia, HELP!
by Chuck Hards 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

Cynthia, please email me off-list and tell me what my username and password are for the Gallery. For some reason, what I thought it is just isn't working! Sorry, folks, it's called CRS syndrome. Yes, I wrote it down- then forgot where I put the written reminder. :( __________________________________ Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Intelligent Design Scores Victory Over Evolution
by Olhomorto＠aol.com 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

Debbie, I agree with you. Your mention of the St George floods reminded me of something. Several months ago I was in the Salt Lake Public Library just aimlessly taking books of the shelves and skimming for something interesting. In the philosophy/religion section I saw a book called Brigham Young's Journal of Discouses. In it was a report from a group of Mormon authorities who went to the St George area over 100 years ago. Apparently their assignment involved geographical surveys and anlayses of agricultural profitability in order to assist Young in the church's colonization planning. What struck me was their advice about the periodic flooding of the river--these were gleaned from reports told to them by indians living in the area as well as their own surveying conclusions. They urged against any construction and farming close to the river--it would be hazardous and costly as the river valley was historically proan to major flood damage. Their was nothing supernatural about what they reported--it was simply based upon straightforward investigation, and conclusions drawn with the aid of well-known principles. Over the decades I suppose commercial interests and people who didn't take seriously the area's tendency to flooding began to develop the area anyway. After the St George floods I heard people wonder about those who built and subsequently lost their homes near the river. Similar to things I heard after the Katrina hurricane, they seem to suggest that victims of natural disasters were being punished by God for what they did or didn't do. I suppose people like Robertson would be more than happy to have them fear that God was angry with them. Mike

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Re: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Intelligent Design Scores Victory Over Evolution
by astrodeb＠charter.net 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

You can't take Pat Robertson seriously. There will always be disasters in our natural world. When the floods came to St. George last January, I wondered why some people lost their homes and some were saved. I really don't think those people were "bad". They were just too close to the river. Rain comes down on good people and bad people. The main thing is to be prepared for disasters. Lessons I learned from the floods. Be prepared. Have plenty of water and food on hand. Have warm blankets and warm clothes in case the power goes out. Have an alternative power source to run essential appliances. If the power goes out, go out and look at the stars if it is clear. Also, make sure flashlights have batteries and there are candles available. Also, check in on the elderly. There was one old lady that was terrified of the blasting in St. George because she had endured the bombings in Germany when she was young. My two cents, Debbie > > From: Olhomorto(a)aol.com > Date: 2005/11/11 Fri PM 08:02:32 MST > To: utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Intelligent Design Scores Victory Over > Evolution > > To me it is amazing that Robertson has such a following in terms of > television viewers. He ought to be a universal laughing stock, but sadly, there will > be many people who are actually worried that his "predictions" will come > true. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Utah-Astronomy mailing list > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com >

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Veteran's Day
by Joe Bauman 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

As Patrick pointed out, this is Veterans Day. I want to say thank-you to Patrick, Guy and all the other veterans on the list -- in fact, all U.S. veterans -- for your sacrifices. -- Joe

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Re: Veteran's Day
by Chuck Hards 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

And, as this holiday used to be called "Armistice Day", I would especially like to thank all the WWI veterans on the list. Well, OK, I think Bill Kelley is the only list member who was even around during WWI, and he was a tad young to carry a bayonnet at the time, but it's the thought that counts! > From: Richard Tenney <retenney(a)yahoo.com> > > I'll happily add a hearty amen to that! > > --- Joe Bauman <bau(a)desnews.com> wrote: > > > As Patrick pointed out, this is Veterans Day. I > want > > to say thank-you to > > Patrick, Guy and all the other veterans on the > list > > -- in fact, all > > U.S. veterans -- for your sacrifices. -- Joe __________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] Re: Intelligent Design Scores Victory Over Evolution
by Michael Carnes 10 Nov '05

10 Nov '05

You're right about that Richard. I offer my sincerest apologies to my invertebrate friends. >No way! Some mollusks, like octopii, are very >intelligent creatures. --- Michael Carnes <michaelcarnes(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > I thought he was a mollusk. __________________________________ Yahoo! FareChase: Search multiple travel sites in one click. http://farechase.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Utah-Astronomy mailing list Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy Visit the Photo Gallery: http://www.utahastronomy.com

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