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Re: M_Boats: Motor for M17
by Charlie 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

I have two Honda 4 hp, 60 lbs, with one 10 years old and a new with 1.4 liter internal tank. Having had a number of others I would not consider anything but Honda. I have alway left my motor on the mount with all boats I’ve owned when trailering. One trip West to East Coast longest. When I bought my M-17, 2005, it had spent It’s life on the Chesapeake with a Honda BF 2.3 on it. It did not meet my needs for long distance, plus I like having reverse over swinging the motor. I can’t comment on the 2.3 as to power but with my 4 hp I run at mid power in everything on Lake Ontario. The reason for distance is I’m in upper NY with lots of canals and the same in Canada. A big plus for me with the New 4 hp is the internal tank option but when needed you can attach an external tank by the flip of a switch on Motor. I paid $1300 for my 4 hp and out of curiosity checked cost of 2.3, $999. Frankly I believe all the advantages you get with the 4 hp is well worth the cost. The only advantage i see to the 2.3 is if you wanted to take it on or off the mount often. It does have a great reputation. I should also add I have a security line attaching motor to mount just in case for both on road and in water. I use a bicycle cable lock. Charlie Sent from my iPad > On Oct 13, 2020, at 3:40 PM, Andrei Caldararu via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > Hello fellow Monty owners, > my 1982 M17 came with a trusty old Evinrude 4hp, 2 cylinder version (see attached, old picture). Advantage -- lightweight (35lbs). Disadvantages -- works only sometimes, and has left me stranded a number of times in no-wind conditions; very noisy; uses smelly gasoline -- my wife complains about this a lot; no reverse; no alternator. > Recently it has caused me enough troubles that I decided to try looking for another motor. One model that I was looking at was the Tohatsu Propane 5hp which seemed to do everything right. Until I looked at the weight -- well over 65 lbs! > As currently set up, my boat has the original fixed motor mount, and I leave the Evinrude there all the time, including when trailering long distances. Never had a problem. After seeing the weight of the Tohatsu, I started having doubts that it would be a good idea to get it. I fear that keeping it on the mount all the time will damage my transom or my mount during trailering. > Three questions: > a) Does anyone have experience with keeping a heavy motor on the mount all the time?b) If the Tohatsu is not the right one, are there recommendations for a lightweight, reliable, motor for the M17 that is quiet and has reverse? I don't think the Honda 2hp is powerful enough for the M17. > c) Alternatively, do people feel that I may simply be better off doing a complete refurbishing of my Evinrude? I could get it in tip top shape for about $150, I guess. I am handy with mechanicals, and I have in the past replaced points, condensers, etc. > Thanks for all your comments!Andrei. > > <MVC-004S.JPG>

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Re: M_Boats: changing Honda 2/2.3 prop
by Charlie Adams 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

I tried to send pictures of my motor mount but file to big and rejected. I couldn’t find manufacturer of the one I have but works easy. No name on it nit my research looking for manufacturer I found a mount on Amazon that looks as good as a Westmarine, had three, and all $300. One on Amazon rated to 25 hp cost $59 including all for mounting. Had to check again to make sure I was correct on it. It’s there and everything correct from me. Still looking for one on my M-17. Charlie Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Alex: > > Somewhere a few years ago I read about a person changing out the prop on > the small Honda - wasn't a Mboat. I can't remember any specifics. > > The general consensus was the problem is the motor will likely be > overstressed under the load - especially a concern with the powerhead being > or cooled. > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ > > >>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2020, 8:03 AM Alex Conley <conley.alex(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> Ive also searched for a high thrust prop for my 35 yr old Honda 2 hp but >> never seen one. In these days of 3D printers/milling, strong plastics and >> computer designs, it would seem there might be an opportunity for someone >> to work up some designs that could then be made on order.

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Test ...
by Dave Scobie 13 Oct '20

13 Oct '20

Group has been quite so sending this to assure the listproc is still working. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/

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Forestay Adjusting levers?
by Alex Conley 13 Oct '20

13 Oct '20

Alright Dave, here’s a question related to one of my winter projects. I’ll be replacing the stays (friend’s story of loosing mast first day of a San Juan cruise convinced me new wire and the peace of mind it would bring are worth it). I’ve contemplated adding a adjusting lever to the forestay to make setting up and tensioning the rig even easier. Curious if the M boat hive mind has any opinions on a) whether a forestay lever is a good addition on an m15, and b) if there is a specific one folks would recommend. Here are the two that have caught my eye: https://www.duckworks.com/product-p/sj-14-205.htm Or https://www.westmarine.com/buy/c-sherman-johnson--small-7-hole-quick-releas… (more holes but working load of only 500 lbs) Thanks for any feedback! Alex

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Digest Photo Links
by David Grah 12 Oct '20

12 Oct '20

I sure wish the links that come in the digests in place of the photos worked for me. May years ago they did, but haven't in the last five or so years. I just get a 404 "not found" message at the links. Would have loved to see John's photos, for example. David GrahBishop California Message: 10 Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 10:28:43 -0700 From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Summer outing on "Faith" Message-ID: <37511597-604c-a4d4-48e6-78852e5fab22(a)eco-living.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Here's a few pix from our sail on Mark D.'s lovely M23, "Faith," outside Winchester harbor on the Oregon coast back in July. Thanks again Mark! cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Summer outing on "Faith"
by John Schinnerer 11 Oct '20

11 Oct '20

Here's a few pix from our sail on Mark D.'s lovely M23, "Faith," outside Winchester harbor on the Oregon coast back in July. Thanks again Mark! cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Siltcoos Lake report
by John Schinnerer 11 Oct '20

11 Oct '20

Here's a couple shots of 'Pajarita' at her rustic berth at Westlake resort on Siltcoos lake (different days, different weather). I had her in the lake for a month, give or take a day, late July to late August. Mostly it's calm overnight and mornings and wind comes up starting about 10-10:30 am, pushing in from the coast just a few miles away. Within 1 1/2-2 hours it is up to full force for the day, which in summer is often upper teens in knots and more on 'windy' days (when there are small craft warnings offshore). A forecast under mid-teens is considered a mellow day in that area... Prevailing winds are from the N to NW. There were a few days with different conditions, one with wind from the S to SW which was swirlier because there are more hills in that direction vs. flatter land to the N to NW. So there's a window of somewhat mellow sailing for a bit starting mid-morning and then it gets to be good practice conditions for high & generally gusty lake winds. The wind is smoother on the far (SE, from the marina) side of the lake. It is strongest and gustiest in the W-NW corner, including Westlake/Dunes City, where the marina is. In particular the approach to the marina is normally upwind and more intense (stronger, gustier) the closer you get. If you look it up on a map you can see Jernigan island that creates a pinched area for some extra swirl and gustiness heading towards the marina. Most of the time I left the first reef in my main, as I knew I'd have to reef soon after setting out anyhow. I just put the full jib out to start, if I was out early enough, and then reefed it in progressively as the wind picked up. Definitely a nice lake to sail on if you're within hauling distance & don't mind strong winds most of the time. Westlake resort is quiet & funky, the owner Brandon & his family & sister-in-law etc. run the place,all very nice people. County park boat ramp is directly adjacent to their little marina. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Upgraded jib sheet setup on Pajarita
by John Schinnerer 11 Oct '20

11 Oct '20

Last one for now... I had been thinking about doing this and then found that Henry had done similar on Monita and it worked for him. So early this season I put these Ronstan swivel/cam blocks (attached pic) on the coaming in place of the fixed cam cleats (that were in place of the original jam cleats). Also switched to soft shackles for the jib sheet blocks (other attached pic). The swivel cams are great - tacking is soooooo much quicker and easier, like a dinghy with a jib (and given the agility of the M17 it is a good match - I never used the winches for anything but a wrap or two on the way to the previous cam cleat, so they were more in the way than useful). The soft shackles and light weight jib sheet blocks are also great - less mass to flog around when tacking or luffing the jib, and the soft shackles flex any direction without binding on the toe rail as metal ones sometimes do. The only improvement I will make at some point is a shallow but angled riser block under the swivel cams, to improve the working angle. For now they are just mounted flat on the coaming (with a sturdy aluminum backing plate), which means a bit of an upward angle into the cockpit, which is not optimal for working the sheets. Flat or very slightly down would be better. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Test?
by Lenny Corin 11 Oct '20

11 Oct '20

Still here. 😉 Sent from my iPad

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PS Siltcoos overnight
by John Schinnerer 11 Oct '20

11 Oct '20

Forgot this part - here's a few more pix, we did one overnight, down to Harmony Bay at the SW end of the lake. Lovely quiet spot, you pass a few summer cottages going down the arm to near the end but there's this little side bay to anchor in out of sight of those. The lake is fairly shallow & mild water temps, that morning we took a swim before heading back (had to motor back as it was the usual calm morning conditions). Luckily Brandon at the marina had previously told me about the long row of pilings hidden mostly just a few inches below water surface down the middle of the approach to this arm. Used to be a logging town at that end of the lake (early 1900s) and these were the remains of log handling piers & pilings. A few poke just above the water, but one of the few other marina guests, a retired local, told me how he didn't know about them first time down there and just about broke his motor off the mount when he hit one motoring in. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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