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Transporting Montgomery Sailboat
by Gail Russell 03 Feb '21

03 Feb '21

We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions: Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost of transporting the rig on a truck and trailer. I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are any implications for the mast?

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Re: M_Boats: Transporting Montgomery Sailboat
by mrh219 02 Feb '21

02 Feb '21

I have used u ship twice, very happy both times. My recollection is that shippers have reviews. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab®|PRO -------- Original message -------- From: Becky belding <becky(a)beckybelding.com> Date:02/02/2021 4:30 PM (GMT-05:00) To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Transporting Montgomery Sailboat Be careful with uShip...i was almost scammed. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 2, 2021, at 11:30 AM, Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > Definitely shrink wrap it. Then hire someone on UShip dot com to tow the Bote on the trailer to Texas. They bring the tow vehicle. > Bob > > [cid:3D344432-BBF8-4A6D-838E-4CA81C0FD7BB] > > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 2, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> wrote: > > Not yet certain. New owner is scoping out options. One option is > transport of boat and trailer on a flatbed, in which case overall length of > the rig matters to the price. New owner is of the understanding that > putting the motor on the cabin sole (yours truly to wrap it up in moving > blankets and bubble wrap) is better rather than leaving it to hang on the > transom. > > If We also take the rudder off, we can cut maybe 2 feet off the overall > length. > > I had suggested looking for RV transport companies that would take it over > the road. In that case, length might be less significant. > > I am interested in any and all insights. The boat is already sold, but I > am going to be doing the work to secure everything, so have a real interest > in doing my best to make it arrive in good condition. > > Not sure about shrink wrapping advisability. > > The owner will make final decision, but I want to make sure I am not > missing important info on my end. > > We considered taking it to the Texas Hill Country ourselves using our truck > and camper, but decided it was a long drive! We might do something like > take it as far as LA or Riverside, but Texas is an 27 hour trip, and our > days of marathon driving sessions are long gone. > > I ha > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 9:36 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Gail. > > Are the boat and trailer going onto a flatbed trailer? Or are boat and > trailer being pulled behind a truck? (aka, on trailers own wheels.) > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021, 8:52 AM Gail Russell <gail(a)zeliga.com> wrote: > > We are getting ready to hire a transport company to haul a Montgomery 17 > from the SF Bay area to Southern Texas. A few questions: > > Is it safe to move the mast forward so that it does not overhang the rear > of the boat so as to shorten the transport length to reduce dollar cost > of > transporting the rig on a truck and trailer. > > I am assuming it can be secured further forward. Not sure if there are > any implications for the mast? > >

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Bulkhead compass
by Jim Sadler 29 Jan '21

29 Jan '21

Any suggestions for M15? Size? Brand? Thanks Capt Jim SV Pelican Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Charging kit for Honda OB
by Jim Sadler 10 Jan '21

10 Jan '21

Have any of you skippers installed a charging kit on. Your honda 3hp OB? While powering I am hoping to use electric auto pilot and have the OB keep up with the discharge? I don’t have the patience to sit at the helm while under power Capt Jim SV Pelican M15 Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Gel coat restoration
by Edward Epifani 10 Jan '21

10 Jan '21

Hey Skippers, Anyone have experience with M15-23 gelcoat restoration ? My boat previously was a Dream Boat: she sat in the sun while the owner mostly dreamed. My impression is that JM used very good technique/ materials, the damage seems minimal compared to what I’ve seen on equivalent age sun stored boats. So I’d describe the oxidation as light/moderate. I’m looking at a shurhold polish/ buffer. I’m well aware of the danger of over zealous circular polishing, seems more likely with lapstrake hull form. The Shurhold is orbital and smaller. Also would love to hear about nonskid cleaning/ restoration experience. Ed Epifani M15 ‘83, #200 something Sent from my iPhone

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"2 dinghy"
by Jon Barber 09 Jan '21

09 Jan '21

Just a note to say thanks for the information about the 7'11" Monty dinghy. This blog is a great resource for all Montgomery fans. Thanks also for the history of how Jerry got started with them in his own business. The 7'11" is now mine, complete with sail rig. The Hess Mfg. Fatty Knees is on the trailer at the welders shop. He is fabricating a 'second story' so I can take both boats to the lake at the same time. When everything is done I will post photos at MSOGphotosite. Jon Barber Montgomery 17 Ol'44

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2 dinks
by Jon Barber 09 Jan '21

09 Jan '21

I am buying the 7'11" MMP dinghy. It will be a companion to the Hess built Fatty Knees I already own. I will be using the sail rig. The other boat is remaining with the seller. I may have mis stated those facts in my previous post. Among the grandkids I have been blessed with are two boys. The dinghy's are for their sailing education. Thanks for the prompt reply to my query. I check daily for Montgomery blog postings. The Trailer Sailer blog has almost no discussion regarding Montgomery boats. Does anyone know who designed the 7-11? Thanks again, Jon Barber Montgomery 17 Ol'44

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Red Dot on the Ocean
by John Schinnerer 07 Jan '21

07 Jan '21

Hi all, Not about Montys per se but if you haven't seen this sailing adventure documentary yet, it's quite inspiring, and a bit crazy that he made it alive: https://reddotontheocean.com/ ...something for winter sailing entertainment. cheers, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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2 dinks
by Jon Barber 06 Jan '21

06 Jan '21

I have my sights set on 2 dinghy's. Here are the id plates as best as I can tell. They are somewhat obscured; 1) MMP 71903 FO90 2) MNB 80110481 Can anyone help me identify these boats? They are both simulated lap strake boats, about 8' long. The latter is a row boat. It has a raised floor that I assume is flotation. The former has a full sail rig, c board and rudder. Thanks, Jon Barber Montgomery 17 Ol'44

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3 Mariners Who Drowned from Boats Moored at Dock
by brad kurlancheek 04 Jan '21

04 Jan '21

This begs asking for more information, e.g., You knew each of them? What were they were doing, such that they were no longer on their boat? What kind of boats were they, that they couldn't manage to get up into again? Likewise, if they were at a dock, couldn't they just swim to the boat ramp, or ladder somewhere, or shore (and crawl/walk out)? Did they die of hypothermia? Thanks On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 2:00 PM < montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Fwd: Clever (Conbert Benneck) > 2. Re: Fwd: Clever (Edward Epifani) > 3. Re: Fwd: Clever (Edward Epifani) > 4. Re: Fwd: Clever (casioqv(a)usermail.com) > 5. Re: Fwd: Clever - safety plans (John Schinnerer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 10:16:24 -0600 > From: Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > Message-ID: <9dd0e3e5-a517-6672-3a8b-5e02ab9b74e8(a)gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed > > Good morning fellow sailors, > > > Here is an excellent idea? that will make a wonderful Christmas present > for yourself or any sailor firends > > Happy holidays, > > Connie > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > Subject: Clever > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100 > From: benneck(a)gmx.de > To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > > > > Dad, > > This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices: > > > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > < > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…> > > > > Gerhard > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:42:00 +0000 > From: Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > Message-ID: > < > MWHPR18MB13423975A45ADF51A6BD7B8AB2F30(a)MWHPR18MB1342.namprd18.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue plans... > Both solo and companion sailing? > Have you practiced? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Good morning fellow sailors, > > > > > > Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present > for yourself or any sailor firends > > > > Happy holidays, > > > > Connie > > > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: Clever > > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100 > > From: benneck(a)gmx.de > > To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Dad, > > > > This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices: > > > > > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > < > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…> > > > > > Gerhard > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 16:48:07 +0000 > From: Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > Message-ID: > < > MWHPR18MB13426E3F418681757AD554FDB2F30(a)MWHPR18MB1342.namprd18.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > A grim aside, I?ve known three mariners who drowned while moored at docks, > having no plans to re-enter their boats in the event of falling overboard. > Two armed deadlift pretty much impossible for anyone advanced in age. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:42 AM, Edward Epifani <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue plans... > > Both solo and companion sailing? > > Have you practiced? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Good morning fellow sailors, > >> > >> > >> Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present > for yourself or any sailor firends > >> > >> Happy holidays, > >> > >> Connie > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- > >> Subject: Clever > >> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100 > >> From: benneck(a)gmx.de > >> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dad, > >> > >> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices: > >> > >> > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > < > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…> > > >> > >> Gerhard > >> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 09:02:23 -0800 (PST) > From: casioqv(a)usermail.com > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > Message-ID: > <467051894.14998114.1606928543768.JavaMail.zimbra(a)usermail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Good question! I need to add a permanent swim ladder to my M15, but > haven't installed one yet. That said, I always sail clipped in with a > harness, and put out a removable swim ladder when at anchor. These days, > 99% of my sailing is with my 3 year old son, and we both always wear a life > jacket and clip in unless inside the cabin. I added a large stainless bow > eye just under the companionway step for clipping in the cockpit, and use a > dockline from the bow cleat to the stern cleat if I need to go forward... > however there is never really a need to go forward in an M15 if you have a > jib downhaul. > > When racing in calm conditions with experienced crew and a lot of other > competitors and spectators around, I will forego the harness and tether so > it doesn't slow me down. Also, I *can* enter an M15 using my own strength > without a ladder, largely because I'm heavy enough to roll the boat to near > the waterline. > > Sincerely, > Tyler > '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Edward Epifani" <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:42:00 AM > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > > Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue plans... > Both solo and companion sailing? > Have you practiced? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Good morning fellow sailors, > > > > > > Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present > for yourself or any sailor firends > > > > Happy holidays, > > > > Connie > > > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > Subject: Clever > > Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100 > > From: benneck(a)gmx.de > > To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > > > > > > > > Dad, > > > > This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices: > > > > > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > < > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?…> > > > > > Gerhard > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 09:55:12 -0800 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever - safety plans > Message-ID: <78fed254-1eb4-8e64-e1e4-bd196be0baca(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Safety plans & furnishings... > > My M17 has a transom mounted swim ladder, normally stowed folded but I > can deploy it from in the water if needed. Just a flimsy snap strap and > one worn out bungee ball cord keep it stowed upright. > > I'm wearing my PFD at all times while under way, which is a well > fitting, properly fitted, paddling/sailing designed, > always-ready-to-float-you PFD, not an inflatable. > I also usually wear it when I'm scampering around the boat & dock > setting up to head out...just in case, to avoid being like the > unfortunate mariners who drowned when tied to a dock or mooring. > > I could never feel as safe wearing an inflatable. I worry about boating > friends who use them. So much can go wrong on the way overboard (or long > before...did the cartridge leak? Is the mechanism working? etc.) that > will render it unlikely to get inflated after one hits the water. > > Plus when inflated they are bulky and obstructive, like the old > horse-collar "life jackets" - whereas with a well designed & fitted > paddle/sail PFD one can swim half-decently (if one is at least a > half-decent swimmer :-), and they are less obstructive when re-entering > a boat from the water. > > cheers, > John > > > > On 12/2/20 9:02 AM, casioqv(a)usermail.com wrote: > > Good question! I need to add a permanent swim ladder to my M15, but > haven't installed one yet. That said, I always sail clipped in with a > harness, and put out a removable swim ladder when at anchor. These days, > 99% of my sailing is with my 3 year old son, and we both always wear a life > jacket and clip in unless inside the cabin. I added a large stainless bow > eye just under the companionway step for clipping in the cockpit, and use a > dockline from the bow cleat to the stern cleat if I need to go forward... > however there is never really a need to go forward in an M15 if you have a > jib downhaul. > > > > When racing in calm conditions with experienced crew and a lot of other > competitors and spectators around, I will forego the harness and tether so > it doesn't slow me down. Also, I *can* enter an M15 using my own strength > without a ladder, largely because I'm heavy enough to roll the boat to near > the waterline. > > > > Sincerely, > > Tyler > > '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Edward Epifani" <edepifani(a)hotmail.com> > > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2020 8:42:00 AM > > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Fwd: Clever > > > > Certainly begs the question: what are Montgomery sailor?s rescue plans... > > Both solo and companion sailing? > > Have you practiced? > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 2, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> Good morning fellow sailors, > >> > >> > >> Here is an excellent idea that will make a wonderful Christmas present > for yourself or any sailor firends > >> > >> Happy holidays, > >> > >> Connie > >> > >> > >> > >> -------- Forwarded Message -------- > >> Subject: Clever > >> Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2020 11:21:47 +0100 > >> From: benneck(a)gmx.de > >> To: 'Conbert Benneck' <chbenneck(a)gmail.com> > >> > >> > >> > >> Dad, > >> > >> This is one of those ?Why didn?t I think of that? devices: > >> > >> > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > < > https://newatlas.com/marine/seearch-wearable-inflatable-open-water-rescue/?… > > > >> > >> Gerhard > >> > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 214, Issue 1 > ************************************************ >

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