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M6'8" #650 sails again
by Dave Scobie 07 Aug '21

07 Aug '21

After many unknown years and some hunting for missing parts I have M6'8" hull 650 once again sailing! Friends Stan Susman, Gary H. Oberbeck, Marty Loken and Jerry Montgomery helped out a lot. Took a three hour shakedown first sail. No surprise and she sails GREAT! Thanks to Marty for taking and sharing the attached picture! :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new site!

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Winches on my M17
by Robert Goodyear 06 Aug '21

06 Aug '21

I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of years and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife and I barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming the 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew positioning are welcome. Thanks -- Best Regards, Bob Goodyear rbgoodyear(a)gmail.com 732.684.1738 c

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15 v 17
by Jon Barber 06 Aug '21

06 Aug '21

I can't speak to the sea keeping ability of the 15 as I have not sailed one. I know when it gets to blowing my 17 hunters down and does what it does best. Gets me back to the marina with little fuss. I seem to catch up to the speed demons when it pipes up as my boat surges on and their boats round up. When it comes to rigging and un rigging times it all about efficiency. I changed to the ruddercraft set up (I know some disagree with this) so the rudder could stay in place. I have a mast crutch, also stays in place. The main is rolled on the boom with reef lines, outhaul etc. in place. Jib sheets stay on the jibs. I hate the damn compression post but have learned to live with it and now sleep quite comfortably in the quarter berth. The boat will show you what it requires of you. Learn to listen. It is a heavy tow. But I leave nearly every other boat in my class in the dust as well as other, bigger boats. I'm not giving that up for convenience on the launch ramp. I always get comments about how pretty my boat is from strangers, that's not bad for the ego, either. Is there a better boat out there? Probably the Sage 17. Will I own one? Not in this lifetime. Thanks for a great boat Jerry. Get out and sail and QUIT COMPLAINING, Jon Barber Monty 17 Ol'44 On Wed, Aug 4, 2021, 11:40 AM <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: M15 or M17 (Peter Zimowsky) > 2. Re: M15 or M17 (Peter Zimowsky) > 3. Re: Winches on my M17 (jerry montgomery) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 07:32:39 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 or M17 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > Message-ID: <5B469FC9-15E8-430F-9D02-63AC26A9D7CC(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > John: Thanks for the insight. I’m just a cautious boater (whitewater and > open water). Learn that from my dad crossing five miles across Barnegat Bay > in Jersey. > Remember bucking fierce afternoon storms that came up suddenly. We never > had an issue. > Getting older and more wary. > Good winds, > > Pete WinterSky > (Zimowsky) > > San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush > > outdoors writer and photographer > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > The Northwest Outdoors Journey: > https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ > > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > > On Aug 3, 2021, at 9:32 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > Another two cents...if you are cruising or on a mooring or in a slip for > multiple days or weeks, an extra 20 or 30 minutes to rig up and down a 17 > vs. 15 is not a big deal. But for day sailing, or less than a night or two > out, for me at least, it's a deal breaker. > > I typically don't put in for less than 4-5 days of boat in water. > > That's what dinghies and other small light quick to rig day sailors are > for... :-) > > > > cheers, > > John > > > > On 8/3/21 8:26 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats wrote: > >> If you are a skilled enough sailor & have the experience & preparation > to be in those waters, I think you are fine in an M15. You might just have > to put in to port for supplies a bit more often than in an M17. And hunker > down sometimes when larger boats venture out. But if you play it smart & > safe and the boat is big enough for you to cruise on, why not? > >> Bear in mind that people in kayaks and canoes - smaller lighter > paddle-powered craft - travel all over those waters as well and if they are > prepared and experienced enough they are fine also. Even SUPs go cruising > there in recent years. > >> Not to mention open camp-cruising boats, modern and traditional. > >> Meanwhile some fool with a big fancy boat but but lacking skill & prep > & experience could get in serious trouble in their first ten minutes off > the pier. > >> My $0.57 ($0.02 adjusted for inflation...:-) > >> cheers, > >> John > >> On 8/3/21 6:11 PM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: > >>> Hi Dave: > >>> I’ve been going around and around about this for five years. Keep > wanting to go up but the M15 is so easy to rig and sail. I just want to do > open water in the San Juans and sometimes I think I”m out of my league in > the big water. even through I’ve sailed hundreds of miles in SJs and > Canada, still lingering is the fact that I’m I too small to be out there? > >>> > >>> Pete WinterSky > >>> (Zimowsky) > >>> > >>> San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush > >>> > >>> outdoors writer and photographer > >>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky > >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > >>> The Northwest Outdoors Journey: > https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ > >>> > >>> "We Can Not Control the Wind > >>> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > >>> > >>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 6:29 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Peter: > >>>> > >>>> Pound for pound the M15 beats the M17. Faster & easier to rig, > easier to > >>>> tow, and vberth is much more comfortable. Boats are equally capable > >>>> sailers & cruisers. > >>>> > >>>> M17 has more storage space and sitting headroom. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> :: Dave Scobie > >>>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- > new site! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 4:53 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > >>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I sailed as a kid on Barnegat Bay. Also clammed, crabbed and fished > the > >>>>> bay to make a living as a kid. Worked on the docks at Carl’s Boat > Service > >>>>> for several summers. An old salty stuck in the sagebrush. Bummed. > >>>>> I sail now in the San Juan Islands. Got a Montgomery 15 been doing > 100 > >>>>> mile sails in the islands the last few years. Love the boat but > wondering > >>>>> about upgrading to a M17. Mine is 377 1985, excellent condition. > Since I > >>>>> sail once a week year around, don’t know if going to an M17 would be > worth > >>>>> it. M15 easy 30 minute set up. Only 7 days out of year would need > the extra > >>>>> room of a 17. Perplexed. > >>>>> > >>>>> Pete WinterSky > >>>>> (Zimowsky) > >>>>> > >>>>> San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush > >>>>> > >>>>> outdoors writer and photographer > >>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky > >>>>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > >>>>> The Northwest Outdoors Journey: > >>>>> https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ > >>>>> > >>>>> "We Can Not Control the Wind > >>>>> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > >>>>> > >>> > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 07:34:17 -0600 > From: Peter Zimowsky <rapidz(a)mac.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: M15 or M17 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <BFA5959D-EFC7-407B-ADA9-B8E23378DA40(a)mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > Yup. I sail once a week for a day at the local reservoir and it’s easy to > rig ( 35 minutes). That’s the advantage of the 15. > > Pete WinterSky > (Zimowsky) > > San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush > > outdoors writer and photographer > Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky > Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > The Northwest Outdoors Journey: > https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ > > "We Can Not Control the Wind > But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > > > On Aug 3, 2021, at 9:32 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > > Another two cents...if you are cruising or on a mooring or in a slip for > multiple days or weeks, an extra 20 or 30 minutes to rig up and down a 17 > vs. 15 is not a big deal. But for day sailing, or less than a night or two > out, for me at least, it's a deal breaker. > > I typically don't put in for less than 4-5 days of boat in water. > > That's what dinghies and other small light quick to rig day sailors are > for... :-) > > > > cheers, > > John > > > > On 8/3/21 8:26 PM, John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats wrote: > >> If you are a skilled enough sailor & have the experience & preparation > to be in those waters, I think you are fine in an M15. You might just have > to put in to port for supplies a bit more often than in an M17. And hunker > down sometimes when larger boats venture out. But if you play it smart & > safe and the boat is big enough for you to cruise on, why not? > >> Bear in mind that people in kayaks and canoes - smaller lighter > paddle-powered craft - travel all over those waters as well and if they are > prepared and experienced enough they are fine also. Even SUPs go cruising > there in recent years. > >> Not to mention open camp-cruising boats, modern and traditional. > >> Meanwhile some fool with a big fancy boat but but lacking skill & prep > & experience could get in serious trouble in their first ten minutes off > the pier. > >> My $0.57 ($0.02 adjusted for inflation...:-) > >> cheers, > >> John > >> On 8/3/21 6:11 PM, Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats wrote: > >>> Hi Dave: > >>> I’ve been going around and around about this for five years. Keep > wanting to go up but the M15 is so easy to rig and sail. I just want to do > open water in the San Juans and sometimes I think I”m out of my league in > the big water. even through I’ve sailed hundreds of miles in SJs and > Canada, still lingering is the fact that I’m I too small to be out there? > >>> > >>> Pete WinterSky > >>> (Zimowsky) > >>> > >>> San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush > >>> > >>> outdoors writer and photographer > >>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky > >>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > >>> The Northwest Outdoors Journey: > https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ > >>> > >>> "We Can Not Control the Wind > >>> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > >>> > >>>> On Aug 3, 2021, at 6:29 PM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >>>> > >>>> Peter: > >>>> > >>>> Pound for pound the M15 beats the M17. Faster & easier to rig, > easier to > >>>> tow, and vberth is much more comfortable. Boats are equally capable > >>>> sailers & cruisers. > >>>> > >>>> M17 has more storage space and sitting headroom. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> :: Dave Scobie > >>>> :: M6'8" #650 > >>>> :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > >>>> :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > >>>> :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- > new site! > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 4:53 PM Peter Zimowsky via montgomery_boats < > >>>> montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I sailed as a kid on Barnegat Bay. Also clammed, crabbed and fished > the > >>>>> bay to make a living as a kid. Worked on the docks at Carl’s Boat > Service > >>>>> for several summers. An old salty stuck in the sagebrush. Bummed. > >>>>> I sail now in the San Juan Islands. Got a Montgomery 15 been doing > 100 > >>>>> mile sails in the islands the last few years. Love the boat but > wondering > >>>>> about upgrading to a M17. Mine is 377 1985, excellent condition. > Since I > >>>>> sail once a week year around, don’t know if going to an M17 would be > worth > >>>>> it. M15 easy 30 minute set up. Only 7 days out of year would need > the extra > >>>>> room of a 17. Perplexed. > >>>>> > >>>>> Pete WinterSky > >>>>> (Zimowsky) > >>>>> > >>>>> San Juan Islander lost inland - an old salty stuck in the sagebrush > >>>>> > >>>>> outdoors writer and photographer > >>>>> Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/pzimowsky > >>>>> Twitter: @zimosoutdoors > >>>>> The Northwest Outdoors Journey: > >>>>> https://outdoorsnorthwest.home.blog/2019/03/13/the-journey-begins/ > >>>>> > >>>>> "We Can Not Control the Wind > >>>>> But We Can Adjust Our Sails" > >>>>> > >>> > > > > -- > > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > > -------------------------------------------- > > - Eco-Living - > > Whole Systems Design Services > > People - Place - Learning - Integration > > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > > http://eco-living.net > > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2021 18:39:47 +0000 > From: jerry montgomery <jmbn1(a)outlook.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 > To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > Message-ID: <BYAPR19MB287288753448D9E5345928E8E6F19(a)BYAPR19MB2872.nam > prd19.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > The problem is caused by the coamings being so hi. The tilting was a > suggestion of Lyle Hess aimed at being a compromise. A good crew learns to > work things after wrapping a time or two. Not a big problem, but can be > annoying. If I were doing it over, i'd use a 7/8 rig, like the Sage 17, > which has the shrouds raked aft, allowing a larger working jib The lack of > height of the fractional jib is compensated for by using a taller rig.. > The Sage is more similar to the tall rig M-17 in terms of area and heeling > moment, but is stiffer because of the carbon deck. The winches, as well as > the jib fairlead cars, go on the cabintop. The 150 or larger sheets are > still sheeted on the rail but by the time the sheets got up to the cabintop > the angle is more easy to live with. Cabintop winches are faster and > easier for the crew. > > Lyle designed the rig for the m-17 from my sketches, so that's on me. In > the early 70's masthead rigs were all the rage because of the IOR rule, > which favored them; that's why I favored it. > > Quit complaining! > > > jerry > > ________________________________ > From: John Schinnerer via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 8:29 PM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 > > Yeah nobody actually said why are the winches canted. > Jerry? Dave? Bob? > > I don't know why for sure, but from the way the sheets run and the > coaming sits etc. I have assumed it's for improving the direction and/or > angle of the sheets vs. the winch. How the sheets run on and off the > winch, etc. > If they were flat on the coaming I think the angles would not be so > good, regardless of where the blocks were. > And probably they can't be perfect for every location of jib sheet > blocks so in some cases the angle isn't so great...? > > cheers > John > > : Winches on my M17 > >>> > >>> I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of > years and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife > and I barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming > the > >>> 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew > positioning are welcome. Thanks > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Best Regards, > >>> > >>> Bob Goodyear > >>> rbgoodyear(a)gmail.com > >>> 732.684.1738 c > > > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 222, Issue 6 > ************************************************ >

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Sheets
by Steve w 06 Aug '21

06 Aug '21

Does anyone know what size and type of rope is used for main/jib sheets on an M15

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Canted Winches
by Jon Barber 03 Aug '21

03 Aug '21

The previous post asked why the winches are canted out, but no one answered that question. Someone commented on my winches recently and they wanted to know why they canned out. Is this different from other boats? I raise my headsails on a 1 ft pendant so I can see what's in front of me. To get the right sheeting angle, I need to move my fairlead blocks even farther aft. They can get set up wrong but usually work OK. My boat also has the perforated toe rail and I would not want a boat without it. I can attach anything, anywhere along the sheer. Awnings, preventer, fenders, dock lines, tiller clutch and fairlead blocks , can be mounted right where you need them. Jon Barber Monty17 Ol'44 On Tue, Aug 3, 2021, 4:18 PM <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Winches on my M17 (Bob Eeg) > 2. Re: Winches on my M17 (John Schinnerer) > 3. Re: Winches on my M17 (swwheatley(a)comcast.net) > 4. Re: Winches on my M17 (Charles Adams) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 20:27:43 +0000 > From: Bob Eeg <montgomeryboats(a)hotmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <BYAPR14MB252016E67A8F76D541F4744DB7F09(a)BYAPR14MB2520.nam > prd14.prod.outlook.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > We slide the genny block down past the winch and tail it backward. > > Sent from my iPad > > > On Aug 3, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Robert Goodyear <rbgoodyear(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of > years > > and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife and I > > barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming the > > 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew > > positioning are welcome. Thanks > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > > > Bob Goodyear > > rbgoodyear(a)gmail.com > > 732.684.1738 c > > <2021-08-03 10.31.29.jpg> > > <2021-08-03 10.30.33.jpg> > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 13:56:35 -0700 > From: John Schinnerer <john(a)eco-living.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <3f998b8e-d8cb-10d8-10b1-b539048fc543(a)eco-living.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > With the sheets quite a bit further behind, the sheet will cross over on > itself. Different on the one side than the other due to both winches > turning the same way, so the sheet wraps outboard on one side but > inboard on the other. > > When I was using the original hank-on genoa, which was a 'sweeper' (cut > low to deck), my blocks were still enough forward of the winch. > > When I got the furling cruising jib (higher cut) they had to be back > behind the winch a fair bit, and the sheet would interfere with itself > somewhat. > > I never used the winches with a handle to actually trim the jib. I just > took wraps on them from habit from larger boats. Most of my sailing so > far has been lakes where I'm tacking fairly frequently, so it is just a > hassle to wrap on and off the winches. > > I've since switched to using swivel cam-cleats for my jib sheets, with > blocks on soft shackles thru toe rail (I have the older aluminum toe > rail, full of holes). The blocks are pretty far aft due to the cut of > the cruising jib (I posted some pics long ago). > Solves the sheet crossover problem for sure. > > As someone pointed out at the time, the sheet could still run to the > winch after the swivel cleat if needed for purchase to trim. I just luff > up quickly if necessary to sheet in jib. > > Henry on Monita did something similar, slightly different hardware, > before I did, that's what got me thinking it was viable. > > cheers, > John > > > > On 8/3/21 1:27 PM, Bob Eeg wrote: > > We slide the genny block down past the winch and tail it backward. > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > >> On Aug 3, 2021, at 1:07 PM, Robert Goodyear <rbgoodyear(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> > >> I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of > years > >> and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife and > I > >> barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming the > >> 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew > >> positioning are welcome. Thanks > >> > >> -- > >> Best Regards, > >> > >> Bob Goodyear > >> rbgoodyear(a)gmail.com > >> 732.684.1738 c > >> <2021-08-03 10.31.29.jpg> > >> <2021-08-03 10.30.33.jpg> > > -- > John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design > -------------------------------------------- > - Eco-Living - > Whole Systems Design Services > People - Place - Learning - Integration > john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 > http://eco-living.net > http://sociocracyconsulting.com > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 17:15:38 -0400 > From: <swwheatley(a)comcast.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 > To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <031901d788ac$b85b1b90$291152b0$(a)comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > For a 150, the block needs to be well aft of the winch. > > I'm assuming your 150 has tell-tales and you know how to use them to > adjust twist. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Goodyear <rbgoodyear(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 3:30 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Winches on my M17 > > I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of years > and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife and I > barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming the > 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew > positioning are welcome. Thanks > > -- > Best Regards, > > Bob Goodyear > rbgoodyear(a)gmail.com > 732.684.1738 c > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2021 19:17:31 -0400 > From: Charles Adams <chaada(a)aol.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Winches on my M17 > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <FD209233-6AB0-4637-88A2-9ADEB7CFED54(a)aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > I just replaced winches on my M17 with self tailing. $1000 for both. Have > arthritis in my right shoulder and only sail single-hand so decided a > little help would make things more enjoyable. Need I say, I like you, felt > the original were not to my liking. Of course boat was build to sail with a > crew. Also did an autopilot for more help. Best crew I could find. No > arguing except a lecture to myself if doesn’t go as I want. I always hate > to use age as an excuse for anything but at 81 I will take the help. > > Really haven’t sailed with them enough to give a report on how it all > works together. Presently working on another boat project. Drascombe Lugger > I’ve had 40 years. > > Charlie. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Aug 3, 2021, at 5:16 PM, swwheatley(a)comcast.net wrote: > > > > For a 150, the block needs to be well aft of the winch. > > > > I'm assuming your 150 has tell-tales and you know how to use them to > adjust twist. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Goodyear <rbgoodyear(a)gmail.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 3, 2021 3:30 PM > > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Subject: M_Boats: Winches on my M17 > > > > I have a M17 Hull #502 built in 1993. I sailed her for a number of > years and could never figure out why the winches are canted out. My wife > and I barrel race on Barnegat Bay in NJ and have a difficult time trimming > the > > 150 jib as the line is always crossed over. Any comments on crew > positioning are welcome. Thanks > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > > > Bob Goodyear > > rbgoodyear(a)gmail.com > > 732.684.1738 c > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 222, Issue 3 > ************************************************ >

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Rudder talk
by Gerald Wolczanski 31 Jul '21

31 Jul '21

On my M-23 ("Robin's Nest"), the stock rudder extended almost 9" below the fixed keel depth (board retracted). The few times I ran aground, it was the rudder that buried first in the mud/sand hee in the Chesapeake. One time, we hit a dredging pipe with the rudder tip as we motored out of the marina - a dangerous scenario. It spun the boat around and could have damaged the transom. The M-23 rudder, owing to the Boomkin, could not be made retractable. So I made an entirely new rudder by laminating junk pieces of lumber with System Three epoxy and sanding/planing to shape. I made it an accurate constant chord using a NACA0012 foil shape and I made it about 2 - 3 inches shorter than the fixed keel depth, considerably shorter than the original asymmetric rudder. But, because the chord was constant and longer than the original rudder shape, I gained 33% in rudder size. and I added a diamond-shaped end-plate, maybe 16' wide. End-plates may be controversial, but the improvement in performance was dramatic. I can't remember the last time the boat rounded-up. The improved grip also resulted in more low-speed authority when motoring. The finished rudder was finished with several coats of epoxy barrier coat and the necessary bottom paint. The end plate (no foil shape) was cut from sheet PVC. Jerry Wolczanski M-23 "Robin's Nest" Flag Harbor Marina St. Leonard, MD

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New trailer
by Cap Keith 29 Jul '21

29 Jul '21

Hello all, I’m planning on getting a new trailer fabricated by Pacific Trailers. It is my understanding that they made trailers for the Montgomery’s since the 1980’s, and later, also made the lower profile trailer for the Sage 17… when the Sage was re-designed, does anyone know if there any changes to the hull configuration? (I would like to order the newer, low profile trailer for my 1980 M17.) The rep at Pacific Trailers says to “his knowledge” there weren’t any changes. Has anyone changed out trailers for their Montgomery’s? Thanks so much, Keith M17 Ginger Snap Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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M15 Outboard bracket for 2.5hp suzuki 4 stroke
by David Grah 27 Jul '21

27 Jul '21

Another "for what it is worth" from me: The stock fiberglass mount is all I have really known on our Montgomery 15. We use it with a small trolling motor and a Honda 2 horsepower motor and are very satisfied with it. I like the simplicity and surprising stoutness (it is amazing what it did to that big pickup that rear ended us while, at the same time, it came out unfazed) of the stock mount. To get the Honda to lock in the up position I had to make an addition to the mount that raises the motor about 3/4 of an inch. When down, that motor stays in the water unless I am forward in waves or maybe if we are on a port tack and healed over. It also has to be lighter than fancier mounts and I've often heard how it is good to keep weight off the back of the boat. I am happy to have the stock mount. David GrahBishop California Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 19:50:39 -0500 From: Josh ua <jsheintz(a)gmail.com> Subject: M_Boats: M15 Outboard bracket for 2.5hp suzuki 4 stroke longshaft. To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Message-ID: <CAHC=9rQ-SVWeQPCZSjSyZSnu-_djyWQQtaf4WjQuvyd=Kf99XA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Since the discussion has been oriented aft lately...how about some M15 motor bracket advice? My early 80s M15 has the original mount that juts out from the transom. I have bolted a 2x6 to the aft face of that mount, raising the motor only enough to clear the transom when the 2.5hp Suzuki 4 stroke is tilted to lock position. If I go forward past the companionway, the lower unit lifts out of the water enough to stop coolant flow. This is a problem I am willing to mitigate for a while by turning the motor off to go forward. I've been without a motor for my entire sailing experience (6yrs) so, for now, I am just enjoying the conveniece, but I'm sure there is a motor bracket solution that will answer when the motor is more than a conveniece and can be elevated to the status of an additional piece of safety equipment. There are so many options out there that I would like to hear from the group in order to have a better chance at only buying a bracket once - 'cause some of them are pricey. I intend to deliberately plan well enough not to depend on a motor, but, if I do need it, I will obviously want it to be dependably and functionally installed. Thanks for the tips, Josh M15 HN115 "Honeybee" Rock Port" MO.

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M15 folding rudder
by Jim Sadler 26 Jul '21

26 Jul '21

Is there a folding rudder ( folds up out of water) made for the M15? It would be great for the SV Pelican that is docked in a slip Thanks Capt Jim Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 221, Issue 33
by Josh ua 26 Jul '21

26 Jul '21

Thanks Dave, I was sure someone would have figured this one out by now. > > > Josh: > > You want the Garhauer OB-125 'two spring' adjustable outboard bracket. You > can try contacting Garhauer I. California by phone to see if they will sell > you one (their www-site is really bad and it isn't listed) or order one > from Catalina Direct (Catalina parts are made by Garhauer). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Mon, Jul 26, 2021, 5:51 PM Josh ua <jsheintz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Since the discussion has been oriented aft lately...how about some M15 > > motor bracket advice? My early 80s M15 has the original mount that juts > > out from the transom. I have bolted a 2x6 to the aft face of that mount, > > raising the motor only enough to clear the transom when the 2.5hp Suzuki > 4 > > stroke is tilted to lock position. If I go forward past the > companionway, > > the lower unit lifts out of the water enough to stop coolant flow. This > is > > a problem I am willing to mitigate for a while by turning the motor off > to > > go forward. I've been without a motor for my entire sailing experience > > (6yrs) so, for now, I am just enjoying the conveniece, but I'm sure there > > is a motor bracket solution that will answer when the motor is more than > a > > conveniece and can be elevated to the status of an additional piece of > > safety equipment. There are so many options out there that I would like > to > > hear from the group in order to have a better chance at only buying a > > bracket once - 'cause some of them are pricey. I intend to deliberately > > plan well enough not to depend on a motor, but, if I do need it, I will > > obviously want it to be dependably and functionally installed. > > > > Thanks for the tips, > > > > Josh > > M15 HN115 "Honeybee" Rock Port" MO. >

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