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by Jon Barber 22 Sep '21

22 Sep '21

Half round stiffeners Hull #44 has half round stiffeners in the same places as John S described. Does this boat have a solid fiberglass house? I have a foam material under the cockpit sole and hatches. One edge has delaminated. I made a temp fix ( plywood glued between the hulll and deck mould under the failure) but how should this repair be made permanently? I know it won't be easy to get to. Jon Monty17 Ol’44

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My clew reefing setup and outhaul - pictures
by John Schinnerer 22 Sep '21

22 Sep '21

Have these organized now so easy to find and send. Need to get them up on my website some day for even easier reference. This is on an M17 so might be a bit tighter for space on an M15 boom but then maybe could use smaller cleats, line, etc. also. Two pics show the outhaul rigged as in the now-gone video I mentioned last post. Bowline loop at end of line. You can just see the tip of the loop between boom and boltrope. Feed free end under & around boom, through bowline loop, through cringle, then to outhaul block. Keeps clew close to boom without any other line or hardware needed. Other pics show (may not be attached in this order): Rear of boom with outhaul routing block and first reef block with lines in place. Clamcleats forward on boom for outhaul and first and second reef. Boom from rear to clamcleats (big picture view of the setup). There's no second reef line in place in the pics but you can see the block and clamcleat for it. Clamcleats are just aft of the vang bail, you can see it forward of them in a couple of the pics. If anyone wants the full size pics for seeing more detail let me know off list. HTH, John -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john(a)eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com

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Montgomery 15 Outhaul
by David Grah 21 Sep '21

21 Sep '21

I lost track of the emails that discussed this though a few years ago I bought a replacement boom from Dave Scobie / Sage Marine that has either a 4 to 1 or 5 to 1 advantage on the outhaul on the main. Dave may remember more about it than I do even though I use it pretty much every time we sail. I like being able to easily adjust tension in the main depending on wind and direction of sail (not that I know what I am doing but I like doing something!). The sail is a loose footed main from Elliot Patteson. The main this one replaced had a bolt rope foot and I prefer the loose foot main. I've talked myself into thinking the lower part of the sail has a much better shape with the loose foot. David GrahBishop California

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M15 lose foot main
by Jim Sadler 19 Sep '21

19 Sep '21

Ahoy Skippers Just bent on my new main form Elliot Paterson. It is Bristol! Any suggestions on how to rig the outhaul for easy trimming? It almost seems like the boom could be 3 in longer. Capt Jim SV Pelican M15

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Outhaul hardware and reefing
by Jon Barber 18 Sep '21

18 Sep '21

I changed my outhaul set up to provide a simplified reefing system that allows me to remove all the reefing hardware, including those reef lines that are always getting tangled. The outhaul terminates at a snap shackle. It operates like a standard outthaul, but the snap shackle allows me to move it to the reef cringle (either one) and use it to tension the sail in reefing situations. A soft shackle is also worked thru the reef cringes and are made up around the boom. I use a dinghy sheet tackle to tension the sail at the mast. This system greatly simplifies reefing and eliminates most of the reefing hardware. This is all new to my boat and I am still practicing reefing this way. This idea I found on the Video Ramblers YouTube channel. The subject boat is a Goat Island Skiff. Jon Barber Monty 17 Ol'44

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Montgomery 15 Questions, esp. where to get a rudder
by Mike and Therese Britten-Johnson 17 Sep '21

17 Sep '21

Hi all, I recently purchased a M-15 and have really enjoyed learning to sail on this great boat. Unfortunately someone stole my rudder. I’ve been hoping to get it back (I’ve been keeping an eye out on Facebook Marketplace, Craigslist, and E-bay but I’ve not seen it yet). So, I’m looking for a replacement. I checked out Rudder Craft; seems like they have a nice rudder for an M-15 but they are pricey AND not the beautiful mahogany rudder my boat had originally. Any advice/recommendations will be appreciated. Mike Britten 720-561-0771 Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows

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Gooseneck falls off boom M17 #615 Jumping Jack Flash
by Kevin Brackneyesggbf* 16 Sep '21

16 Sep '21

Per Dave Scobie's recommendation I knocked off the boom cap (with diffuculty) and emptied the contents and found a spring, was her and a straight cotter pin as described the the Dwyer gooseneck schematic provided by Dave. I assembled the parts, bent the cotter pin and lubed the cap and partially coroded screws with lanolin and it seems good as new! What is the recommended anti-galvanic corrosion treatment? Thanks! Kevin

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Cabin top hand rails
by Jon Barber 16 Sep '21

16 Sep '21

Re attach using t nuts from underneath. This way the fasteners are nearly flush in the cabin.

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 223, Issue 15
by Kevin Brackneyesggbf* 16 Sep '21

16 Sep '21

Thank you! This info was exactly what I needed to reattach my gooseneck. Kevin On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:50 AM <montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > montgomery_boats-request(a)mailman.xmission.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > montgomery_boats-owner(a)mailman.xmission.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Gooseneck falls off boom (Kevin Brackneyesggbf*) > 2. Maintenance questions (Andrei Caldararu) > 3. Re: Strange mast size? (andreicaldararu(a)yahoo.com) > 4. Re: Gooseneck falls off boom (Dave Scobie) > 5. Re: Maintenance questions (Dave Scobie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:07:44 -0700 > From: "Kevin Brackneyesggbf*" <kevin.brackney(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Gooseneck falls off boom > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: > <CA+WWUn3BAeGwZ63rGmEG3qv9FR0oA-Ek= > FmPMWDUv+B-Aw_DmA(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > When I loosened my outhaul the boom separated from the gooseneck, which was > attached to the mast. In light winds it wasn't too much of a problem to > reinsert the rod back into the boom and retighten the outhaul, but I > shudder to to think what would happen in strong winds. I couldn't figure > how to attach it to the boom. Seems like I'm missing a part? > Recommendations? > Thanks, > Kevin > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:08:43 +0000 (UTC) > From: Andrei Caldararu <andreicaldararu(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Maintenance questions > To: "montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <431640371.1160078.1631801323943(a)mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello fellow Monty owners, > first off, I apologize for having to register a new account on the mailing > list, somehow my old account seems to have been bungled up and I was not > able to recover it. > I have two new maintenance questions: > a) The rudder on my 1982 M-17 is the one-piece solid mahogany style. When > I got it with the boat about 10 years ago it was wrapped in fiberglass, and > coated with a couple of layers of some marine varnish. This summer I kept > the boat moored in fresh water, and last time I went to it I noticed that > large parts of the fiberglass were peeling off. Is the fiberglass needed, > or should I just remove it and re-coat the wood with varnish? If I need to > redo it all in fiberglass, what should I do to prevent it from peeling > again? > b) I have a small leak into the cabin around one of the screws that holds > the wood hand rails on top of the cabin. I understand that it is important > to re-bed the hand rail before the moisture gets inside the balsa core of > the cabin top. What is the procedure for doing that? To begin, how does one > remove the small wood caps that are covering the screw heads, without > destroying the caps? What material do people recommend for the bedding > procedure? > Thanks,Andrei. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:11:11 -0000 > From: andreicaldararu(a)yahoo.com > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Strange mast size? > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Message-ID: <163180147158.1209481.14832897162459897433@localhost> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I will measure the mast, in about 10 days when I get a chance to get to > the boat. (The boat is moored in Lake Michigan, I am about 150 miles away > from there.) > > A. > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:45:09 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Gooseneck falls off boom > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: > < > CAGjBOA7y4zXKfsqObfpkKRNYVAAXb4A_FoihzuMaNppjy9U-1Q(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Kevin. > > The end of the rod that goes into the boom-end fitting should have a hole > for a cotter pin. > > The rod is held in place a fender washer that is between the boom end > fitting and cotter pin. > > You need to take off the boom end fitting to put a new washer and cotter > pin in place and then reinstall the assembly in the boom-end. Here is a > link to an assembly to give you an idea of how things should work/look - > > https://www.dwyermast.com/itemdetails.asp?itemID=30 > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:08 AM Kevin Brackneyesggbf* < > kevin.brackney(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > When I loosened my outhaul the boom separated from the gooseneck, which > was > > attached to the mast. In light winds it wasn't too much of a problem to > > reinsert the rod back into the boom and retighten the outhaul, but I > > shudder to to think what would happen in strong winds. I couldn't figure > > how to attach it to the boom. Seems like I'm missing a part? > > Recommendations? > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2021 07:49:16 -0700 > From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie(a)gmail.com> > Subject: M_Boats: Re: Maintenance questions > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: Andrei Caldararu <andreicaldararu(a)yahoo.com> > Message-ID: > <CAGjBOA5spn6wcTwoV1oMtymMGDXhfKTciw7F= > f+mTb5aTtQJhg(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > If you are going to keep the boat on-water the rudder should, IMO be sealed > with epoxy. > > Varnish cannot be left submerged. > > Epoxy requires a covering as it isn't UV stable - antifouling paint will > protect the epoxy and keep the marine critters away (mostly). > > > :: Dave Scobie > :: M6'8" #650 > :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com > :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com > :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - m15namedscred.wordpress.com <<-- new > site! > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2021, 7:09 AM Andrei Caldararu via montgomery_boats < > montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > > > Hello fellow Monty owners, > > first off, I apologize for having to register a new account on the > mailing > > list, somehow my old account seems to have been bungled up and I was not > > able to recover it. > > I have two new maintenance questions: > > a) The rudder on my 1982 M-17 is the one-piece solid mahogany style. When > > I got it with the boat about 10 years ago it was wrapped in fiberglass, > and > > coated with a couple of layers of some marine varnish. This summer I kept > > the boat moored in fresh water, and last time I went to it I noticed that > > large parts of the fiberglass were peeling off. Is the fiberglass needed, > > or should I just remove it and re-coat the wood with varnish? If I need > to > > redo it all in fiberglass, what should I do to prevent it from peeling > > again? > > b) I have a small leak into the cabin around one of the screws that holds > > the wood hand rails on top of the cabin. I understand that it is > important > > to re-bed the hand rail before the moisture gets inside the balsa core of > > the cabin top. What is the procedure for doing that? To begin, how does > one > > remove the small wood caps that are covering the screw heads, without > > destroying the caps? What material do people recommend for the bedding > > procedure? > > Thanks,Andrei. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > montgomery_boats mailing list -- montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > To unsubscribe send an email to > montgomery_boats-leave(a)mailman.xmission.com > %(web_page_url)slistinfo%(cgiext)s/%(_internal_name)s > > Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! > > > ------------------------------ > > End of montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 223, Issue 15 > ************************************************* >

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Gooseneck falls off boom
by Kevin Brackneyesggbf* 16 Sep '21

16 Sep '21

When I loosened my outhaul the boom separated from the gooseneck, which was attached to the mast. In light winds it wasn't too much of a problem to reinsert the rod back into the boom and retighten the outhaul, but I shudder to to think what would happen in strong winds. I couldn't figure how to attach it to the boom. Seems like I'm missing a part? Recommendations? Thanks, Kevin

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