May 2011 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

minor hull repairs
by Doug Vogel 20 May '11

20 May '11

Hello fellow Montgomery boat owners, My name is Doug Vogel, and I am a new owner of an 1980 M-17. It is my first boat. I live in Jackson,Wyoming, and sail my boat on Jackson Lake, in Grand Teton National Park. A amazingly beautiful and tricky place to sail. Lots of challenging mountain (6770') weather to deal with. Like ice still on the lake till probably June this year. Most years, the marina opens on May 21st. What a winter.... I have a few questions. 1) I am trying to repair a few minor gouges in the hull. 1.5 " long and only 1/16 to 1/8" deep. I have a gelcoat repair kit with the color tubes. I sanded the gouges yesterday, and ended up very quickly exposing the green layer underneath my cream colored hull. I was not trying to sand just inside the gouges. So have I screwed up? Now i think I have to apply the gelcoat over both the gouge and the exposed green layer. And that will have to be like a 1/32 or less. Then sand the gelcoat repair very carefully to not get to any green. Is there a better way ? 2) My motor that came with the boat is an 9.7 horse regular shaft Mercury. Too big & too short. A previous owner installed an adjustable motor mount about foot below the notch in the transom. Soooo about $1500 can fix that issue. Maybe later in the summer. 3) I just spent a half hour reading older posts for the first time. I need to do more. I was considering going with slugs as there are some monster gusts on my lake. I will get some Sailcote next week. Do the slugs have to be installed by a sailmaker , or is it possible for an owner to install them ? Thanks all for being happy hardworking sailers , and sending back some advice. Doug

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2009 Monty 15 For Sale
by Michael Carter 19 May '11

19 May '11

To Monty List Members: I have decided to reduce my sailboat inventory by putting my beloved Monty 15 up for sale. I intend, if necessary, to advertise her more broadly next week, but, as others do, I want to let the Montgomery community and enthusiasts know of her availability before I take that step. I am the original owner of this boat, having driven her from Bob’s shop home to the front range of Colorado in November 2008. I have always kept her hull and decks buffed and her teak oiled. She has always been garaged and is in bristol condition. Ditto the galvanized Pacific trailer w/ tongue extension. I use a Honda 2hp short shaft, and it will be included with the boat if the new owner wishes. The main and jib are in virtually new condition, and she has been sailed gently and exclusively in clear Colorado mountain lakes. My asking price for the package is $11.5k/OBO, or $11.1k/OBO without the Honda outboard. Please follow this link for photos of La Pequenita (The Little (or Tiny) One): https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=carterconsultants <https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/sredir?uname=carterconsultants&target=ALBUM…> &target=ALBUM&id=5608487454673601713&authkey=Gv1sRgCLyx8p77pPHEkAE&invite=COKatXo&feat=email If you would like more information about the boat or would like to chat, drop me an e-mail with your contact information to carterconsultants(a)comcast.net. I’ll get back to you as soon as possible. Mike

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by Seawitch 19 May '11

19 May '11

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Down haul fittings
by beowulf2＠cox.net 18 May '11

18 May '11

Hello All: I have noticed that some M15s are rigged with jib down haul fittings that lead aft to cockpit on port side of boat. One set is for the jib down haul. What is the second set for? Mike Hall M15 #167 Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T

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Re: M_Boats: trailering with rudder assembly in place M15
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 18 May '11

18 May '11

Daniel, A couple of observations - some gleaned from less than amusing experiences : DO NOT TRAIL your boat with the rudder in place unless you want : 1. the rudder GONE - bounced off, pivot bolt fell out -OOOPS - etc. 2.the blade ground to a nub - 'I thought I had it tied up ...' 3. the rudder gudgeons and pintles plus all other pieces of the rudder assembly to experience excess wear and tear they were never designed for. Think of driving down the road with a favorite violin strapped to the hood - Bad Form. If your "mast carrier" is attached to the rudder attached to the boat while riding down the highway banging on the transom - you have the 'Tear up The Transom Trifecta' lets leave the rudder attached (see #1,2,3 above AND add the weight of the 1/2 the rig and mast carrier to exacerbate the situation). Most 15 trailers are sprung a bit stiff for the actual load as it is from what I have experienced. I am one opinionated Full of BS ol guy - but I have seen MANY ugly things happen to boats whilst trailered because someone was not aware of the consequences. - When I was in the business - it made me a living repairing and selling "lost/damaged parts" - I didn't like making a living at other peoples misfortune - so a word of caution. PS I bet we don't know that the rudder is damaged or GONE til we arrive at the beautiful destination ready to have a fun day of NOT sailing with the family or friends ! 'I didn't see it fall off the boat.....' - it does happen - why risk it. Jerry's wood (Royce's) rudders are excellent - better than a heavy plastic one. See paragraph above 'one opinionated.... ' Good luck with your Old Wood Rudder Blade it is a winner! - BTW- I have stalled all my rudders, on the 7-11,15,17 and all the non M-Boats I have owned too - EVERY one of them! G - Full of It - O M-17 #316 -Nurse I need my meds!

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Re: M_Boats: masthead rigged M15
by jerry 18 May '11

18 May '11

Yes, I remember Kit! When he finished the 15 he started on a Lyle boat of about 30', and the last I saw was doing a great job on it. He was a great guy and a very good woodworker (hopefully, he still is)! I don't remember why he wanted a masthead rig; probably just wanted to be different. I never sailed on the boat but I remember that he was happy with it and sailed to Catalina a few times. I'd just stick a compression tube in the boat, and don't forget to run it all the way to the bottom of the boat. You could do it in two pieces or run it right thru the berth. Bring it to the Cruiser Challenge in Monterey in July and see how it does against the regular 15's. They usually dominate their class. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie(a)yahoo.com> To: "jerry montgomery" <jerry(a)jerrymontgomery.org> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 7:25 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: masthead rigged M15 > From: Beowulf <beowulf2(a)cox.net> > Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 rudder performance > To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" > <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Date: Monday, May 16, 2011, 6:20 PM > Hello Jerry: I bought a M15 #167 from > Kit Cooney (I think that was his name) 29 years ago in 1982. > I believe he either worked for you or did some work for you > and he ended up with a M15 kit that he built. I may have the > story wrong. I remember meeting you several times at the > Long Beach Boat shows in the 80's and also at your company > in Costa Mesa. The boat itself has held up great through the > years. Unfortunately, I have had it stored on the side of my > house for some time. I am now planning to get it ready > for sailing again and want it refitted with new standing > rigging. This M15 has always been mast head rigged (with > spreaders) like a M17. I know years ago you told me that I > should consider re-rigging the boat to the original > fractional rig as Kit Cooney did not install a compression > post inside the cabin to deal with the downward pressure > from the mast. My questions are: Do you know why Kit Cooney > would have rigged the boat this way? Also, have you ever > installed or heard of a compression post being installed in > a M15? I rather like the mast head rig and the boat has > always sailed very well especially after I learned about > putting some rake into the mast. Would love to hear your > thoughts and anyone elses concerning the rigging. > > Mike Hall > M15 #167 > Tustin, CA

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trailering with rudder assembly in place M15
by Karen and Smiley 17 May '11

17 May '11

Anybody have thoughts on this subject and while we are at it is an IDA rudder worth the investment for a M 15? Thanks Smiley Smiley magoo252(a)comcast.net

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Re: M_Boats: Halyard question
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 16 May '11

16 May '11

Ian, I have used for the last five years - 3/16 StaSetX, have used 1/4 also. (3/16 is a bit small but....) Would not use 5/16 - Jerry must have been _________ing at that moment.;>) He is a busy guy and has a lot on his mind - that right there could be the issue! LOL! Have a great day - Check out some exotic stuff - have fancy covers spliced on and you can probably get down in diameter to 1/8 for running section! New materials are AMAZINGLY strong (check for UV resistance,creep,and of course abrasion). On second thought - your idea of 1/4 Sta-Set X is great, 3/16 for main if you want lightweight. Take Care, Have Fun, Go Sailing ! GO your mileage may vary.

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Link here: somebody buy that 2009 M17 that is for sale
by Allan Skooner 16 May '11

16 May '11

Sigh...if only it wasn't on the opposite coast. AS

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Re: M_Boats: The Science of Whale Flippers
by Steve R. 16 May '11

16 May '11

Sal, Glad you liked the link, and appreciate your comments. Serrated edges on sails is certainly thought provoking. Maybe we need bumps on both leading and training edges? steve Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY

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