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M17 in garage
by Gary M Hyde 16 May '06

16 May '06

My garage door is 7 foot 10 inches high, so there was enough clearance for the bow pulpit. With the tongue jack all the way down, the bow pulpit height is 7'1" above the floor and is still the highest point on the boat. I put the boat at a slight angle to keep the motor bracket out of the wall and remove the tongue to fit boat and trailer inside the garage, which is 20.5 feet long inside with the door closed. The mast is outside hung under the eves. There is a little clearance at each end of the boat and trailer, so it would actually fit in a 20 foot long space, in case anyone wants to know. The width occupied in this situation is 8 feet. So in a nutshell, the M17 with bow pulpit on the current 2005 Pacific trailer requires minimum storage LxWxH dimensions of 20' x 8' x 7' 2", not including mast, which is ~ 22 feet long. Regarding tongue weight, positioning the trailer axle center line 63.5" ahead of the rear of the trailer resulted in a 202 lb. tongue load with the boat empty and no mast. Regards, Gary Hyde Pullman, WA gmhyde1(a)mac.com M17 #637 'Hydeaway 2' M15 #235 'Vanilla'

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Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 39, Issue 9
by Dsboz＠aol.com 16 May '06

16 May '06

Is it possible to get an M17 through a 7 foot high garage door? thanks Dave

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RE: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 39, Issue 9
by Tom Smith 16 May '06

16 May '06

Rather than remove the pulpit, try sliding the trailer in with the tongue lowered all the way to the floor. I've done that but I don't remember the height of the door--it was probably around 7 feet. The pulpit cleared easily. As I recall, the cabin top was a tight fit... t /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M17/496 & M17/064 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dsboz(a)aol.com Sent: Monday, May 15, 2006 8:52 PM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Re: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 39, Issue 9 Is it possible to get an M17 through a 7 foot high garage door? thanks Dave _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Painting Masts
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 15 May '06

15 May '06

I was just thumbing through Don Casey's " Sailboat Refinishing" and looked at his chapter on painting masts. He suggests using a polyurethane (2 part) and putting it on with a roll and tip method, however he says if thinned correctly you may not even have to bother with the tip part. He suggests sanding the mast first and then an acid type etching primer that's recommended for the particular paint. He also warns about "clear coating" saying that usually by the end of one season the clear coat will usually be like pieces of cellophane all over the deck. (I refer to Don's books , especially "This Old Boat", regularly. They are awesome) Although I have not yet painted a mast, I have used Interlux's two part polyurethane on some fiberglass projects using the "roll and tip" method and got results that I was very happy with. It's more expensive than 1 part but the durability of it far exceeds the 1 part. If you decide to go that route you can get the Interlux products at West Marine as well as a really nice free painting guide from Interlux that goes through the prep steps. In fact, I think you can check out the directions for painting aluminum spars from sailboats less than 25 feet at their link at http://www.yachtpaint.com/usa//general/perfection/pdf/leaflet.pdf If that link doesn't work go to the homepage for interlux which is www.yachtpaint.com and search for the the 2 part product called Perfection. And thanks Howard for the tip on the mixing cups! I'll give it a try for sure. That's one of the things that's so great about being a part of a group like this. I love learning tips and tricks from you guys! As for the quality of work on Dauntless, well, thanks for the compliments but believe me I'm just an amateur. You know how pictures are. I'm editing what I show you!!! hahaha. Now you want to see some real workmanship.....check out that crazy Rick and Raven!!!! That's what I'm talkin' 'bout!!!! Thanks guys/gals Sean

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Re: M_Boats: Painting Masts
by n9ca＠comcast.net 15 May '06

15 May '06

Howard, You can get a good epoxy primer from Aircraft Spruce and Specialty (1-877-477-7823). This epoxy is used on aluminum and is fast drying, corosion inhibiting, and cures at temperatures as low as 35 degrees F. Comes in either green or white. Green: EP-420/EP-430 P/N 09-00352 White: EP-420/EP-430 P/N 09-00285 Mixing rate is 2 parts base, 1 part catalyst and yields 2 1/2 quarts. Cost: $67.80 Clarence -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> > That would be the one. Not sure it's as easy as we are led to believe. > Along the lines of "brain surgery is easy if you know how". > > I think I can find the Deltron at the local auto parts store that sells > auto paint. Where does one find the epoxy primer? Exact product name, > number or source? Would the auto parts store have that as well? > > Would you also cover with a clear cote? Maybe two or three coats of > paint and one clear cote over that? Or, for a flatter look, maybe three > coats of paint and skip the clear cote? > > > > > On May 15, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Larry E Yake wrote: > > > Is this what you're looking for? > > > >> Sand it well, spray on an epoxy primer, sand the primer, then paint > >> with > > LP > >> or Deltron. Easy as pie. > > > >> Jerry > >> jerrymontgomery.org > > > > On Mon, 15 May 2006 11:19:26 -0500 Howard Audsley > > <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> writes: > >> Not long ago Jerry told us how to paint aluminum masts. I saved the > >> note, but then lost my entire email. The address book and all saved > >> > >> emails. > >> > >> If anyone saved it and can forward it to me, I'd appreciate it. > >> Seems > >> to me like it involved either Deltron or Imron automotive paint. > >> > >> Howard > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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thinking ahead...
by htmills＠bright.net 15 May '06

15 May '06

It's been TOO LONG since I've been UP NORTH, so I'm figuring on another North Channel/Georgian Bay/Lake Huron cruise for 2007, in case anyone would like to help turn it into an M-sailing event. :o) Almost ready to launch, finally. This weekend, barring a disaster. A few small items to complete and one important one (waiting on some UHMW tape to put on/under the sliding hatch before installing the last two of the new aluminum strips). I think that little packing scheme with the spreadsheet and categorized boxes is going to really help me speed up my packing time. I was looking through them and see that except for one box that I couldn't keep my mitts out of over the winter, and the food items, I'm pretty much ready to go! Will report back after seeing if it really does help (and goodness knows I need all the help I can get!) Tod

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Re: M_Boats: Painting Masts
by Larry E Yake 15 May '06

15 May '06

Is this what you're looking for? >Sand it well, spray on an epoxy primer, sand the primer, then paint with LP >or Deltron. Easy as pie. >Jerry >jerrymontgomery.org On Mon, 15 May 2006 11:19:26 -0500 Howard Audsley <haudsley(a)tranquility.net> writes: > Not long ago Jerry told us how to paint aluminum masts. I saved the > note, but then lost my entire email. The address book and all saved > > emails. > > If anyone saved it and can forward it to me, I'd appreciate it. > Seems > to me like it involved either Deltron or Imron automotive paint. > > Howard > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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RE: M_Boats: trunk liner separation repair on Havasumotgomerys
by Tom Smith 15 May '06

15 May '06

Great idea Howard. Thanks. t /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M17/496 & M17/064

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Nor'Sea 27 on Ebay
by Rick Langer 15 May '06

15 May '06

Hey Tod, That's a beautiful boat, but where's the trailer? If you buy it I'll help you sail it home. Rick Langer M15 #337 Bluebird > Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 18:34:38 -0400 > From: <htmills(a)bright.net> > Subject: M_Boats: Nor'Sea 27 on e-bay > To: "M-list" <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Message-ID: <003501c67481$f4918ae0$db9ddb42@ACER> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Nor'Sea 27 on e-bay. I don't know the boat. > > Richmond, California. 23k buy-it-now price. > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NorSea-27-Offshore-Cruiser-Sailboat-Sloop > -w-Aft-Cabin_W0QQitemZ4639299543QQcategoryZ63730QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > > Tod > M17 #408 > BuscaBrisas

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Painting Masts
by Howard Audsley 15 May '06

15 May '06

Not long ago Jerry told us how to paint aluminum masts. I saved the note, but then lost my entire email. The address book and all saved emails. If anyone saved it and can forward it to me, I'd appreciate it. Seems to me like it involved either Deltron or Imron automotive paint. Howard

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