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Re: M_Boats: M17 kick-up rudder
by Larry E Yake 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

I should clarify on the tensioning. Besides the knob, it also has a line for raising and lowering the blade. That line is snugged up and cleated to hold the blade down. On impact, the line releases from the cleat, allowing the blade to pivot. You then just have to pull that line back tight and you're sailing again. Or you can raise the blade manually by pulling and cleating the rear line. Larry On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 08:04:37 -0600 "Gilbert Landin" <gilbert(a)mindgame.com> writes: > larry, I looked at the picture on the site. Does the knob adjust > kick-up > tension? It looks like with the synth bottom 1/2 it would be less > maintenance. looks good.. > > gilbert > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Larry E Yake" <leyake(a)juno.com> > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 11:26 PM > Subject: M_Boats: M17 kick-up rudder > > > > Good news. A high performance kick-up rudder is now available for > the > > M17. I had Ida Sailor Marine in Boise, Idaho build one for > Tullamore and > > they've added it to their product line. You can view it at this > link. > > http://www.idasailor.com/catalog/default.php > > It has a mahogany rudder head to maintain that classic look, with > a > > balanced, foil shaped HDPE rudder blade. The one pictured has the > pintles > > mounted to fit my boat, but they'll build to your specifications. > Price > > seems very reasonable to me. They also make a replacement blade > for the > > M15 that will bolt directly to your existing rudder head. > > > > It will be a couple months before I can try it out (still winter > here), > > but I send a report as soon as I do. > > > > Larry > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: M17 kick-up rudder
by Larry E Yake 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Yes, I'm buying one. The one pictured is the one they built for me. It is 72" overall, same as my current rudder. There is a hole through the bottom of the top pintle for a keeper pin to be inserted after being installed in the gudgeon to keep it from popping out, again, same as my current rudder. The knob is for tensioning. Larry On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:50:59 GMT "bownez(a)juno.com" <bownez(a)juno.com> writes: > > This looks like a nice accessory. > The rudder looks shorter to me, I wonder if it is and how that will > effect performance. Also, it does not use the 1/2" rod as the G + P. > I wonder if the rudder will dislodge with simply those two small > pintles. > Are you going to pop for one Larry? > > Bones > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. > Now includes pop-up blocker! > Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler
by Woodsybill＠aol.com 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

John, For what's it worth, this is the way I lower my M-17 with CDI furler. First, I do it while boats on the trailer. I leave the shrouds attached to the chainplates. I remove the sail, detach the furler shackle at bow plate, attach 1/4 " line to shackle, run it through small block attached to bow plate and then astern to port winch, take several wraps around winch leaving some 10-12 feet on loose end. Then stradling cockpit and standing on seats (thwarts?) and holding line in left hand, I start lowering the mast on to right shoulder, moving astern on seats, slipping the line on winch until mast is firmly on shoulder and under control. By this time mast is at low enough angle that winch is of little or no help. The winch setup is only used as a brake. I then step off seats into cockpit and lower mast into cradle. I have one advantage and that is I am tall and mast is at not at overly acute angle once it reaches my shoulder. The downside is that I'm not particluarly strong or kinetic and I only do this when solo which is usually the case. When I have help the procedure is identical except the aide-de-camp contols the winch line. For what it's worth, good luck Bill K M-17 (#55)

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Regarding Ida Sailor Marine M15 new rudder
by Norm Bundek 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

The new M15 rudder blade is 48" high according to Ida Sailor. My rudder on M15 #172 is only 33" high and does not have the stock M rudder with tilt up system. Does the stock M15 use a rudder of 48"? Or, is my Monty's rudder too small at 34"? This is a huge difference. Does size equate to better performance? Norm

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M17 kick-up rudder
by Larry E Yake 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

Good news. A high performance kick-up rudder is now available for the M17. I had Ida Sailor Marine in Boise, Idaho build one for Tullamore and they've added it to their product line. You can view it at this link. http://www.idasailor.com/catalog/default.php It has a mahogany rudder head to maintain that classic look, with a balanced, foil shaped HDPE rudder blade. The one pictured has the pintles mounted to fit my boat, but they'll build to your specifications. Price seems very reasonable to me. They also make a replacement blade for the M15 that will bolt directly to your existing rudder head. It will be a couple months before I can try it out (still winter here), but I send a report as soon as I do. Larry

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Re: M_Boats: M17 kick-up rudder
by bownez＠juno.com 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

This looks like a nice accessory. The rudder looks shorter to me, I wonder if it is and how that will effect performance. Also, it does not use the 1/2" rod as the G + P. I wonder if the rudder will dislodge with simply those two small pintles. Are you going to pop for one Larry? Bones ___________________________________________________________________ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today!

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Re: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler
by LUDLOWD2＠aol.com 16 Feb '05

16 Feb '05

John: I don't have a roller furler on Sweet Dream but I do use push pins on the forestay, jib clevis, and lower rudder pintle. I replaced all the cotter pins on the shrouds and elsewhere with SS rings and taped them in place for extra security. I have a piece of shoelace tied to the ring at the base of the pushpin. The lace wraps around the front of the pin with several half hitches and a bowknot to keep it in place and prevent it accidentaly pulling out. I sometimes use plastic cable ties to secure the pushpins and cut them away when I de-rig. Steve Eslemann (Scamp) had his forestay come loose on a trip to Catalina and only the jib downhaul saved him from losing the mast. It pays to be safe. I don't know why you are disconnecting the shrouds at the chainplates. I leave them connected all the time. The mast comes down and goes up with the shrouds connected. The only time I've ever taken them loose was when I had to stow the mast during Hurricane Ivan. Fair winds Don L M-15 # 620

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FW: RE: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler
by Don Haas 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler > > I use two different methods to raise/lower the mast with the furler attached on my M15. The best is to have someone hold on to the drum as the mast is raised or lowered. The method I use when alone is to attach a bungee cord between the drum and the bow cleat. This keeps tension on the whole assembly. It would be a good idea to wrap the drum in towel or something like that though. (my wife made a cover for the drum out of two layers heavy cloth with a piece of 1/4" closed cell foam as insulation inside). I attach the forestay to the mast hound with a "modified" push button quick release pin. I drilled two small holes at the outward end of the barrel and insert a small hitch pin for extra security. > > Don Haas > M15-248 Dream Catcher > > > > [Original Message] > > From: John L. Gonzalez <jlgonzalez(a)san.rr.com> > > To: <montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com> > > Date: 2/14/2005 8:29:16 PM > > Subject: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler > > > > I took folks' (Craig and Rik) counsel, and mounted fairleads on my M-15 for > > my CDI's furling line. > > > > What's the best way to raise and lower the mast with the roller furler? Tie > > the drum up loosely at the bow pulpit? When I lowered my mast yesterday, > > the drum went over the side and scraped along the ground, while the head of > > it twisted alot at the mast hound. > > > > Also, do you use a clevis pin and cotter ring to mate the top of the > > forestay to the mast hound, or do you use a quick release pin? > > > > I was planning on using quick release pins (thumb actuated with two ball > > locks, one opposite of the other), instead of clevis pins and cotter rings, > > to mate the sidestays and forestay to the chainplates. Any counsel to the > > contrary? > > > > Thanks! > > John G. > > M-15/Bella (628) > > La Jolla, CA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler
by John L. Gonzalez 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

I took folks' (Craig and Rik) counsel, and mounted fairleads on my M-15 for my CDI's furling line. What's the best way to raise and lower the mast with the roller furler? Tie the drum up loosely at the bow pulpit? When I lowered my mast yesterday, the drum went over the side and scraped along the ground, while the head of it twisted alot at the mast hound. Also, do you use a clevis pin and cotter ring to mate the top of the forestay to the mast hound, or do you use a quick release pin? I was planning on using quick release pins (thumb actuated with two ball locks, one opposite of the other), instead of clevis pins and cotter rings, to mate the sidestays and forestay to the chainplates. Any counsel to the contrary? Thanks! John G. M-15/Bella (628) La Jolla, CA

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Re: M_Boats: Lowering of Mast with Roller Furler
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 15 Feb '05

15 Feb '05

In a message dated 2/14/2005 8:35:58 PM Pacific Standard Time, jlgonzalez(a)san.rr.com writes: I was planning on using quick release pins (thumb actuated with two ball locks, one opposite of the other), Me again... Regarding the quick release. The only con I've heard is they must be periodically washed and lubed as salt may crystalize on the inside and not allow the balls to come out. Not sure if quick release is needed at the chain plates. Easier to wrap them in rigging tape and tie the wires up to the mast with bungie cords. I believe most leave the rigging attached to make it easier at launch and recovery. Bill M17 Tipperary

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