December 2005 - montgomery_boats - mailman.xmission.com

NE cruise
by htmills＠bright.net 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

For anyone who enjoys seeing sailing and scenic pictures of the New England coast, here is a nice slide show. Requires Flash. Dial-uppers will probably want to start it downloading, then find something else to do for a bit.... Cuttyhunk to Bar Harbor. Some of the names on the shows I wasn't familiar with. Clearly I need to rectify that, by visiting them in person! ;-) http://photoshow.comcast.net/watch/ZR3WF8gh Enjoy, Tod M17 #408 BuscaBrisas

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Nice M-23 Photos
by BILLAMICASR＠aol.com 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

Sean your Photo SIte site is looking great. Nice layout and nice copy. I'll borrow a few of those words and photos for the MSOG Photo Site in the near future... I guess if it's cold outside and you cant go sailing, you may as well look at photos and dream of days to come. Thanks, Bill _http://www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com/?cr=1&rfm=y_ (http://www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com/?cr=1&rfm=y)

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RE: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 rudders
by Tom Smith 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

Could be Howard. You saw no evidence of fasteners at the leading edge on your rudder? Regardless, they're an impressive chunk of wood and really beautiful bright finished. That's a drawback of the IdaSailor rudder IMO. No offence to the manufacturer, but the hdpe is much less attractive than the mahogany. t /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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RE: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 rudders
by Tom Smith 14 Dec '05

14 Dec '05

Now that Larry mentions it, it is very possible these attachment points are stock and not a repair. As I look at the old rudder, and the joint behind the leading edge, it really doesn't appear this area was damaged. So I'm amending what I said to Bill earlier and saying this looks like the original design, minus the bungs Larry mentions. Yes Gil, it is heavier, but there's more hardware involved too. And like Larry said, it's neutral when mounted up in the water, and like Randy said earlier, awkward to carry. t /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle M15/345--Chukar M17/496--Unnamed

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Bills Site Rocks!!!
by Nebwest2＠aol.com 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Awesome work Bill!! Thanks for the early Christmas present! Merry Christmas to you Bill = "Yoda"of the Montgomery Webmasters!

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New photo site
by Seawitch 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Bill, Great site. I have been waiting to submit some photo's of Seawitch and some of the locations we've sailed lately. How do I send them to you? They are all digital and in albums on the computer. Thanks for the great site ! Time for a cool change! Sandra(Seawitch #617)

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New Photo Site works GREAT!!!
by Brian Gilbert 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Bill: The new photo site is absolutely terrific... it really does open and load with my dial-up, something it never did before. Thanks very much for fixing it, I'm looking forward to flipping through and looking at everything. Best BG -- Brian Gilbert Marine Media M17 "Tiny Dancer" (ex "Stargazer") (423)876-9990 3404 Hartford Drive Chattanooga, TN 37415 www.sailingsmall.com

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 rudders
by Larry E Yake 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

The Ida Sailor rudder is heavy until you get it in the water. Then it's neutral buoyant. The rounded leading edge apparently prevents "tip drag". "A performance increase can be had by going with an elliptical tip - this can be done with either an elliptical leading edge or trailing edge while keeping the opposite edge straight (or the tip can be fully elliptical). The performance increase comes from the increased lift and reduced drag from this shape - with a rectangular tip, water can 'escape' by going around the bottom of the foil rather than across the chord, while with an ellipse** its always a shorter path across the chord than it is around the bottom." This quote is from the Foil Design Tips article by Phil's Foils and Composites. Larry On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:54:03 -0600 "Gilbert Landin" <gilbert(a)mindgame.com> writes: > Dang Tom, the ida sailor rudder is heavier than the mahagony? That > was a > surprise! > > My straight rudder is squared off at the bottom w/o much rounding. > > > gilbert > > -----Original Message----- > From: > montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+gilbert=mindgame.com@mailman.xmission.co m] > On Behalf Of Tom Smith > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2005 3:46 PM > To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 rudders > > > I figured out a good way to make pics available to you M viewers > without > choking you with data. When you go to the link below, you'll will > see > my collection of M17 rudders and a brief description of each. The > '75 > undershot rudder was just repaired--you can see the light colored > mahagony strip that was added because of damage caused by hard > grounding. > > www.openboatt.blogspot.com > > All rudders are oriented with trailing edge facing right side of > photo. > > > Tom Smith > Next IT > 509-242-0767 ext. 1035 > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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Re: M_Boats: New Photo Site...
by Rmceagrella＠aol.com 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

Thank you for efforts Bill !!!!

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Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 17 rudders
by Larry E Yake 13 Dec '05

13 Dec '05

When I was rebuilding my '76 rudder (same design), I found mine had long screws inset behind 1/2" bungs that, along with some sort of adhesive, attached the stepped forward leading edge to the main rudder body. Larry On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 08:11:09 -0800 "Tom Smith" <tsmith(a)nextit.com> writes: > > I suspect the fasteners are the result of the past damage from > grounding > as well Bill. Whatever is there is covered by a filler of some kind > and > faired. If I had to guess, I'd say the leading edge was reattached > sometime in the past and that those are lag bolts of some kind. > Whatever, the repair has held up. t > > > /)) Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle > M15/345--Chukar > M17/496--Unnamed > > > > > Good photos of the rudders. The 1975 rudder. What type of fasteners > ( 3 > 0f > them) are those on the foot of the rudder. My 1975 rudder is stating > to > delaminate at the foot and I propose waterproof glue supplemented > with > long screws or other fasteners. > > Would appreciate firsthand advice. > > Bill K Half Monty M-17 (#55) > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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