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RE: M_Boats: lightbar, jib sheets, sheet-to-tiller elastic & arrangement, nippers, hold-downs
by Smith, Tom 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

Has anyone tried those lights West Marine sells that hook on to cleats on the stern of the boat? Aside from wires sort of hanging around loose, this looks like kind of a slick arrangement... t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle Sandpoint, Idaho M15-345, Chukar -----Original Message----- From: Steve R [mailto:stever@mail.saabnet.com] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 8:40 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: lightbar, jib sheets, sheet-to-tiller elastic & arrangement, nippers, hold-downs I saw a nifty lightbar on the back of one of those over the road haulers recently. It was made from a length of 4 inch aluminum channel, with the the channel cut out where the light were installed. It was a very nice looking set-up. Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- "htmills(a)bright.net" <htmills(a)bright.net> wrote: >Well, so far the new lightbar is holding up perfectly: <snip> _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats This message was scanned for viruses.

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Re: M_Boats: lightbar, jib sheets, sheet-to-tiller elastic & arrangement, nippers, hold-downs
by Steve R 26 Sep '02

26 Sep '02

I saw a nifty lightbar on the back of one of those over the road haulers recently. It was made from a length of 4 inch aluminum channel, with the the channel cut out where the light were installed. It was a very nice looking set-up. Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY --- "htmills(a)bright.net" <htmills(a)bright.net> wrote: >Well, so far the new lightbar is holding up perfectly: <snip>

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Re: M_Boats: Re: Connie's battery quest
by Conbert H Benneck 25 Sep '02

25 Sep '02

Hi Steve, My batttery problem has had a very low priority for the past weeks, but the bits and pieces for the new electrical system are bought - except for the battery - so I greatly appreciate you input. I'll go and check the battery out at Radio Shack today. Thanks again for the data. Connie

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Re: Connie's battery quest
by IDCLLC＠aol.com 25 Sep '02

25 Sep '02

Connie, Did you ever find a battery you liked? I ended up replacing my portable battery for my headlight (five years old and ailing) with a 5 Ah battery of identical size from Radio Shack, $25 plus tax. Thought you'd like to know. Steve Tyree, P-15 #2098 "Amy Ann"

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Re: M_Boats: Mongomery sailboats: the irresistable conversation piece
by Conbert H Benneck 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

M-ers, You're so right! The last time we were at Lake Champlain we were tied up to a finger pier in a marina at Essex, NY. Between our M15 and the inside corner of the marina was a 50 foot XXXX (?) with bow pulpit that was about 10 feet above the water. My wife would be sitting in the cockpit, doing some paper cutting, while I puttered, as the owner of the 50 footer stood on his bow pulpit and looked down on us. Envious of our comings and goings with no commotion After a few days of this he wanted to know the usual. What is it? Who makes it? Etc. Mind you, his inflatable dinghy with at least a 25 HP outboard hanging from the davits on his stern must have been about 15 feet long. The Montgomery would have fit there nicely! He became entranced with the M15 and felt he had to have one for his house on the lake just north of Montreal so that he could go out sailing in the evening by himself, instead of waiting until he had a crew of about 4 people needed to run his big boat. I think we made a believer out of him! Bigger is not better! Connie M15 #400 LEPPO

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Re: montgomery_boats digest, Vol 1 #375 - 3 msgs
by JERRYGMAY＠aol.com 24 Sep '02

24 Sep '02

It is really nice to go and load my M-17 on a trailor just ahead of a tropical storm God bless Mr. Hess and the fine boats that we all own. Jerry and Sue May M-17 Jazz in Bb Port Arthur. Texas good luck to the rest of my club members. God Bless America!

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Re: M_Boats: Mongomery sailboats: the irresistible conversation piece
by Larry Yake 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

Ditto, guys. I bet there isn't a Montgomery owner on the list who doesn't have the same "problem". I was pulling mine out for the season Sat. and was sidetracked by a Ranger 20 owner first and then a San Juan 21 owner complimenting the boat and asking so many questions that I couldn't concentrate on what I was doing. Took twice as long to get the mast down and everything all set to trailer. My wife got tired of waiting and took a nap in the car. Of course, she's been through that before so she knows there's nothing a sailor likes better than showing off their boat! Larry Yake M17, #200 Tullamore On Mon, 23 Sep 2002 02:46:08 -0700 "Bob Campbell" <racsrv(a)attbi.com> writes: > John, > > It's definitely a trend. I can't recall the last time I was at a > ramp > and didn't have someone come up and admire my 17. In fact, I'm > always > suspicious of the person who says he/she can set up and launch their > M17 > in 45 minutes. They are obviously adjusting for "show and tell" > time. > I generally allow 30 minutes for that alone! > > Last month at the SCA Cruiser Challenge in Monterey, I was setting > up > Alina while a good friend was setting up his Catalina 16. He is > very > organized and I was trying to see if I could keep up with him so we > could launch at the same time. Alas, a gentleman comes up and > begins to > inspect Alina. He was absolutely smitten by her and the questions > and > complements began to flow. As he walked away, having never even > acknowledged the presence of the Catalina, my friend quips, "My > boat's > cute too!" Of course, now my friend has taken a commanding lead and > is > able to take a break while I finish setting up. Oh the > disadvantages of > owning a Montgomery! > > I agree with your theory on wistful big boat owners who upon seeing > a > Montgomery realize that they are spending gobs of money and missing > out > on the real joy of sailing. At the Chevy's restaurant guest dock > in > Alameda, I had a retired gentleman who owns a Nonsuch 30 give me > his > email address, instructing me to contact him if I ever had thoughts > of > parting with my beloved Alina. I empathize with big boat owners > and > can't say that I'm immune to the seduction of big boats either. > This > past spring I was bitten by the big boat bug, but came to my senses > just > in the nick of time. > > Lyle Hess has left us with a very special boat indeed. My respect, > admiration, and appreciation for him and his boat grow deeper with > every > sail. > > Fair winds, > > Bob Campbell > Montgomery 17 #615 "Alina" > di, CA > > -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of > John > Fleming > Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:46 AM > To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: Mongomery sailboats: the irresistable > conversation > piece > > Well, it's happened twice now, so it's not a real trend yet, but it > > definitely is something. I've recently started sailing out of > Marina > del Ray in Los Angeles. At the end of the day, when the boat is > back on > > the trailer and I run it over to the fresh water for a washdown, > people > come running over to ask what kind of boat it is, it looks very > salty, > it looks very nice, it looks very big and roomy for a 17-footer, > I've > never seen one like it before, etc etc etc. The kids are running > wild, > I'm racing the sunset to get everything buttoned up and put away, > and > they all want to stand around and talk about the Montgomerys and ply > me > with compliments and sort of get that puppy-dog look in their eyes, > > wishing they could be invited aboard and take a look around. They > walk > right by all the big cool racing trimarans and other trailer sailers > > without a word or glance and stop at my boat. There must be > something > friendly and inviting about a Montgomery. One guy today asked "Is > that > a Nor'Sea?" as an introduction! I had to explain the whole heritage > > thing, Lyle Hess and his English workboats, the Nor'Sea was designed > > first, and then came the Montgomery's. > > The pleasant hazards of owning a Montgomery. Hopefully, once I go > there > > enough, I'll have exhausted the supply of closet Montgomery lovers. > > Maybe it's just Marina del Ray, so jaded by big-money boats that a > view > of a Montgomery with young kids running around and having fun takes > them > > back to what sailing's all about. Shackled to their big money pits, > > they realize you can have just as much fun, maybe more, without > exhausting your bank account. "God boys, we wish we were you". > > Other than that ... > > It was a good day for sailing. Yesterday was thick and chilly fog > all > along the coast. About 9PM last night, a warm wind blew in, chased > all > the fog away, and today was pleasant, sunny, and cloudless. The > Admiral's away, but the kids want to do something, so let's go > sailing. > My 12-yr old son did a good job of helming in and out of the > Marina, > and out on the ocean when he felt like it. The ocean was relatively > > calm today, not like some other days, no short-period chop and waves > > from two directions to make every point of sail a roller-coaster. > > Even with my blown (I think) mainsail, Star Cross'd can point. > Today > was a good example of what a Montgomery can do. The higher I > pointed, > the faster I went. She'd heel over and just rocket away, faster (by > my > uncalibrated knotmeter) than the 4HP engine can push in calm water. > > When the kids got tired of too much time spent pinned against the > lee > cabin sides, I'd just de-power to a broad or beam reach and we'd > drop > about a knot and just keep on cruising. One close-hauled point of > sail > was directly into the waves, so we did a little up and down pounding > but > > just cut through. The other was cross to the waves, so we'd just > roll > with it, and occasionally the wind and waves would gang up and push > us > over further than I cared. But I never felt out of control. It > wasn't > anything more than the normal 10 knot afternoon breeze we get here > every > > day. > > Star Cross'd must still be out of rig, though. I would only get > good > weather helm once we started pointing high. On a beam reach, it'd > be > lee helm. I guess I need more mast rake. > > Not many more weekend like this before El Nino hits bringing > sub-tropical deluges, the jet stream shifts south connecting us with > the > > North Pacific gales that bring the big northwest waves and too-cool > > weather to Santa Monica Bay. I very much doubt I can get the whole > > family out on days like that. They say that December and January > are > the only bad months here for sailing. We'll see. > > Happy sailing, > John Fleming > M-17: "Star Cross'd" > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats > >

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admiration
by Jerry Williams 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

Saturday I went out to sail my 1991 M15. My wife said no. My daughter said no. All my friends and neighbors who keep asking "when are you going to take me sailing" said no. Being the good son, I then asked my mom. She said yes. She's 82 and has sailed about once a year with me for 15 years. As always with this mighty mouse of a boat, no need to pull out the trolling motor, just sailed out of the slip. The most dangerous part of this departure was yelling back to 3 separate groups on docks, explaining what manufacture the boat was; and no that it was not new but 11 years old. There was an impromptu gathering of 8 boats to race down wind, the length of Lake Wallenpaupak, Pa. I yelled back to 6 of the boats what type of boat the Montgomery 15 was, as we passed them by. The O Day 26 did not ask, I had beaten him before. There were Catalina 22's, a Precision 16.5, a Hunter 26 water ballast, Cirrus 22 and a 26' boat I couldn't identify. Winds were about 6 to 8 mph. We went wing to wing with a wisker pole on a working jib. The center board was up to reduce drag. My mom had the tiller for 8 miles and never accidently jibed. We were the lead boat at the end of the down wind leg. I am impressed. Everyone dispersed at that point so I did not get a good feel of up wind performance compared to these other boats. I have had a Mcgreggor 26 and a Seaward 23 at this lake in past years. This is my first first. I like this boat.

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RE: M_Boats: Mongomery sailboats: the irresistable conversation piece
by Jorge, Maria 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

Bob: I can relate to your story since my previous boat was a Nonsuch 30 and I now happily own a Montgomery 17. I owned the Nonsuch for 3 years and figured out it cost me about $10,000 for slip expenses, maintenance, insurance, etc. While I don't regret the experience, I could have chartered a big boat twice a year and still come out ahead. I was also glad to hear you changed your mind about selling Alina. Maria -----Original Message----- From: Bob Campbell [mailto:racsrv@attbi.com] Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 5:46 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: RE: M_Boats: Mongomery sailboats: the irresistable conversation piece John, It's definitely a trend. I can't recall the last time I was at a ramp and didn't have someone come up and admire my 17. In fact, I'm always suspicious of the person who says he/she can set up and launch their M17 in 45 minutes. They are obviously adjusting for "show and tell" time. I generally allow 30 minutes for that alone! Last month at the SCA Cruiser Challenge in Monterey, I was setting up Alina while a good friend was setting up his Catalina 16. He is very organized and I was trying to see if I could keep up with him so we could launch at the same time. Alas, a gentleman comes up and begins to inspect Alina. He was absolutely smitten by her and the questions and complements began to flow. As he walked away, having never even acknowledged the presence of the Catalina, my friend quips, "My boat's cute too!" Of course, now my friend has taken a commanding lead and is able to take a break while I finish setting up. Oh the disadvantages of owning a Montgomery! I agree with your theory on wistful big boat owners who upon seeing a Montgomery realize that they are spending gobs of money and missing out on the real joy of sailing. At the Chevy's restaurant guest dock in Alameda, I had a retired gentleman who owns a Nonsuch 30 give me his email address, instructing me to contact him if I ever had thoughts of parting with my beloved Alina. I empathize with big boat owners and can't say that I'm immune to the seduction of big boats either. This past spring I was bitten by the big boat bug, but came to my senses just in the nick of time. Lyle Hess has left us with a very special boat indeed. My respect, admiration, and appreciation for him and his boat grow deeper with every sail. Fair winds, Bob Campbell Montgomery 17 #615 "Alina" Lodi, CA -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of John Fleming Sent: Monday, September 23, 2002 12:46 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Mongomery sailboats: the irresistable conversation piece Well, it's happened twice now, so it's not a real trend yet, but it definitely is something. I've recently started sailing out of Marina del Ray in Los Angeles. At the end of the day, when the boat is back on the trailer and I run it over to the fresh water for a washdown, people come running over to ask what kind of boat it is, it looks very salty, it looks very nice, it looks very big and roomy for a 17-footer, I've never seen one like it before, etc etc etc. The kids are running wild, I'm racing the sunset to get everything buttoned up and put away, and they all want to stand around and talk about the Montgomerys and ply me with compliments and sort of get that puppy-dog look in their eyes, wishing they could be invited aboard and take a look around. They walk right by all the big cool racing trimarans and other trailer sailers without a word or glance and stop at my boat. There must be something friendly and inviting about a Montgomery. One guy today asked "Is that a Nor'Sea?" as an introduction! I had to explain the whole heritage thing, Lyle Hess and his English workboats, the Nor'Sea was designed first, and then came the Montgomery's. The pleasant hazards of owning a Montgomery. Hopefully, once I go there enough, I'll have exhausted the supply of closet Montgomery lovers. Maybe it's just Marina del Ray, so jaded by big-money boats that a view of a Montgomery with young kids running around and having fun takes them back to what sailing's all about. Shackled to their big money pits, they realize you can have just as much fun, maybe more, without exhausting your bank account. "God boys, we wish we were you". Other than that ... It was a good day for sailing. Yesterday was thick and chilly fog all along the coast. About 9PM last night, a warm wind blew in, chased all the fog away, and today was pleasant, sunny, and cloudless. The Admiral's away, but the kids want to do something, so let's go sailing. My 12-yr old son did a good job of helming in and out of the Marina, and out on the ocean when he felt like it. The ocean was relatively calm today, not like some other days, no short-period chop and waves from two directions to make every point of sail a roller-coaster. Even with my blown (I think) mainsail, Star Cross'd can point. Today was a good example of what a Montgomery can do. The higher I pointed, the faster I went. She'd heel over and just rocket away, faster (by my uncalibrated knotmeter) than the 4HP engine can push in calm water. When the kids got tired of too much time spent pinned against the lee cabin sides, I'd just de-power to a broad or beam reach and we'd drop about a knot and just keep on cruising. One close-hauled point of sail was directly into the waves, so we did a little up and down pounding but just cut through. The other was cross to the waves, so we'd just roll with it, and occasionally the wind and waves would gang up and push us over further than I cared. But I never felt out of control. It wasn't anything more than the normal 10 knot afternoon breeze we get here every day. Star Cross'd must still be out of rig, though. I would only get good weather helm once we started pointing high. On a beam reach, it'd be lee helm. I guess I need more mast rake. Not many more weekend like this before El Nino hits bringing sub-tropical deluges, the jet stream shifts south connecting us with the North Pacific gales that bring the big northwest waves and too-cool weather to Santa Monica Bay. I very much doubt I can get the whole family out on days like that. They say that December and January are the only bad months here for sailing. We'll see. Happy sailing, John Fleming M-17: "Star Cross'd" _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Mongomery sailboats: the irresistable conversation piece
by John Fleming 23 Sep '02

23 Sep '02

Well, it's happened twice now, so it's not a real trend yet, but it definitely is something. I've recently started sailing out of Marina del Ray in Los Angeles. At the end of the day, when the boat is back on the trailer and I run it over to the fresh water for a washdown, people come running over to ask what kind of boat it is, it looks very salty, it looks very nice, it looks very big and roomy for a 17-footer, I've never seen one like it before, etc etc etc. The kids are running wild, I'm racing the sunset to get everything buttoned up and put away, and they all want to stand around and talk about the Montgomerys and ply me with compliments and sort of get that puppy-dog look in their eyes, wishing they could be invited aboard and take a look around. They walk right by all the big cool racing trimarans and other trailer sailers without a word or glance and stop at my boat. There must be something friendly and inviting about a Montgomery. One guy today asked "Is that a Nor'Sea?" as an introduction! I had to explain the whole heritage thing, Lyle Hess and his English workboats, the Nor'Sea was designed first, and then came the Montgomery's. The pleasant hazards of owning a Montgomery. Hopefully, once I go there enough, I'll have exhausted the supply of closet Montgomery lovers. Maybe it's just Marina del Ray, so jaded by big-money boats that a view of a Montgomery with young kids running around and having fun takes them back to what sailing's all about. Shackled to their big money pits, they realize you can have just as much fun, maybe more, without exhausting your bank account. "God boys, we wish we were you". Other than that ... It was a good day for sailing. Yesterday was thick and chilly fog all along the coast. About 9PM last night, a warm wind blew in, chased all the fog away, and today was pleasant, sunny, and cloudless. The Admiral's away, but the kids want to do something, so let's go sailing. My 12-yr old son did a good job of helming in and out of the Marina, and out on the ocean when he felt like it. The ocean was relatively calm today, not like some other days, no short-period chop and waves from two directions to make every point of sail a roller-coaster. Even with my blown (I think) mainsail, Star Cross'd can point. Today was a good example of what a Montgomery can do. The higher I pointed, the faster I went. She'd heel over and just rocket away, faster (by my uncalibrated knotmeter) than the 4HP engine can push in calm water. When the kids got tired of too much time spent pinned against the lee cabin sides, I'd just de-power to a broad or beam reach and we'd drop about a knot and just keep on cruising. One close-hauled point of sail was directly into the waves, so we did a little up and down pounding but just cut through. The other was cross to the waves, so we'd just roll with it, and occasionally the wind and waves would gang up and push us over further than I cared. But I never felt out of control. It wasn't anything more than the normal 10 knot afternoon breeze we get here every day. Star Cross'd must still be out of rig, though. I would only get good weather helm once we started pointing high. On a beam reach, it'd be lee helm. I guess I need more mast rake. Not many more weekend like this before El Nino hits bringing sub-tropical deluges, the jet stream shifts south connecting us with the North Pacific gales that bring the big northwest waves and too-cool weather to Santa Monica Bay. I very much doubt I can get the whole family out on days like that. They say that December and January are the only bad months here for sailing. We'll see. Happy sailing, John Fleming M-17: "Star Cross'd"

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