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Dulcibella arrived in good shape
by David Fann 14 Mar '03

14 Mar '03

The truck carrying Dulcibella, my shiny new Montgomery 17, reached Gainesville (FL) late this afternoon. Boat and trailer are in excellent condition. We started getting compliments even as the unloading proceeded in a mall parking lot. At home, we found she is just a hair too large for the garage. On to Plan B for storage... Now for some boat rigging. The mast/boom package was nicely bubble wrapped, so tomorrow will be like an early Christmas, with presents to open. Thanks, Montgomery Boats! David Fann M17 Dulcibella

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Re: M_Boats: Long M17 Cruise ?
by Conbert H Benneck 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

Hi Smitty, I have become a very happy M15 owner, after first buying a Bolger MICRO - which was a ball - then had a ComPac16, and after determining it's shortcomings, I finally found, bought, and love my M15. Before I had a 29 footer which was a great boat for 4 people. Then I bought it's big brother, a 38 footer, but found that I got size and mass, but really not more "useable" boat than we had with the 29 footer - and by now my crew were out of the house. So we sold the 38 footer. We sold the 29 footer because of increasing congestion here in the New England harbor areas. It's wall to wall boat these days. No place for peace and quiet. That when I bought the MICRO, a great boat. Being a Bolger box, it has a cavernous space inside, for it's size; and deck space is big enough to sleep two more. The reason I had to sell the MICRO was the problem of stepping the mast. It is a 22 foot long, solid spruce, no stays, and you have to hold it almost vertically to get it into the mast step at the bow. I could carry the mast horizontally, but stepping it became a problem at my age. That led me to the ComPac16 - with aluminum mast and shrouds, but............ The ComPac16 had no useable storage space as befits a good sailboat. You had to cram everything under the cockpit seats on the berths, and then if you want to use the berth you have to pile all your "stuff" up in the cockpit so that the berths are useable. No way to run a railroad! That's when I heard about the Montgomery. Talked with owners on the website and finally after all the good words I heard, bought one sight-unseen. For me it's a great little vessel: has excellent sail lockers and storage - which every boat has to have - it sails well; and is light enough so that I tow it with my VW-GTI. ......and the cockpit seats are long enough so that you could sleep there, if you have a Bimini. With the number of M17s in your area, why not get together with an owner and go for a sail to try it out? That would give you answers to your questions. Connie M15 #400 LEPPO

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Re: M_Boats:How do I like the Boomkicker?
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 21 Aug '02

21 Aug '02

Sorry for the delayed resp. I like the Boomkicker because I have never liked any of my topping lifts, be they rope or wire (vinyl coated of course). Sailing in light air is frustrating and having to tack a topping lift is annoying. The Boomkicker allows one to pick the boom "elevation"-- and not be concerned with tacking it etc. If I need an adjustment one uses the vang which is the default control anyway- no need to loosen one to tension the other or vice versa. The BoomKicker is not perfect but an elegant piece and very well executed in both design and materials. NO financial interest-just my opinion and worth every penny. Have Fun and if you live somewhere where the temp is below 100 -Go Sailing. Gary O. M-17 # 316A Blue Goose (or is that Spruce??) Stick and Stone Technology Inst. 'got welding rod?'

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Help calculating styrofoam bouyancy on M-15 under v-berth
by David Barnes 21 Aug '02

21 Aug '02

Does anyone know what what volume of baddered air would equal the bouyancy of the styrofoam blocks under the v-berth of the M-15. I would like to get some additional dry storage room by using an air badder to replace the foam. Thanks in advance for any input. David (no6m(a)hotmail.com) M-15 #318 (boat has no name) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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new to list
by Irv Kooris 05 Aug '02

05 Aug '02

Hello, I am considering purchasing a 1982 M17. I have looked at a Potter 19, a Catalina 22, a Precision 21, A Compac 19, and a Compac Suncat. I am married and have 2 boys 7 and 16. The last sailboat I owned was a 1969 Tartan 27 . I will be sailing on coastal New England waters. We will be spending an occasional overnight. I like to be out there when it is blowing and like to have confidence in my boat. Any thoughts, feedback, or comments appreciated. TIA Irv Kooris

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Outboard Bracket
by Irv Kooris 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

Any suggestions for outboards for "Whoa Nellie" M17 #354 1982. She has the non-adjustable outboard bracket. After I purchase her (fingers crossed) I will be using her in coastal New England waters. Irv

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RE: M_Boats: Admiral Hornblower & jib sheets
by Smith, Tom 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

Doug, I've seen and like this method for attaching sheets. I've also read a description of this somewhere, but can't remember where I saw it. Is the knot just seized on? I thought I read it was sewn as well. I would also be interested in the alternate method you mention in your email... T Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15/345 -- Chukar Sandpoint, Idaho -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch [mailto:doug_kelch@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 6:57 AM To: montgomery_boats(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Admiral Hornblower & jib sheets These pictures are the best explanation of the method I have seen. I tried it with my old stiff jib sheets and the loop would not go through the cringle on tack of the sail. I have an alternate rope only method that is a little slower to change than the one depicted. If any one is interested, let me know and I will send pictures. Doug Kelch --- "htmills(a)bright.net" <htmills(a)bright.net> wrote: > In preparation for my Maine trip, I did a little > shopping for various and > sundry objects. Since Maine is known to be a foggy, > foggy place I > thought it best to have a horn to go with my VHF > securite calls. I blindly > picked the Admiral Hornblower horn. Man, now I'm > gonna need earplugs > too! Seriously! > > Also am switching the jibsheet attachment from > individual for each sail to > one that hooks to the clew. Someone on the Potter > board posted a very > clever and simple method and shortly afterwards > Martin on the TSBB > posted a slightly refined method: > > http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/1_the_thig_i_was_trying_to_discibe.jpg > http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/passing_through_the_cringle.jpg > http://www.trailersailor.com/uploads/knotted_end_thru_the_loop.jpg > > Thanks for the responses on the rot. I think I'll > try to avoid completely cutting > out the board since it is in such an inaccessable > place and so far I've avoided > cutting out the bottom of the wet locker. If other > approaches don't work I may > end up having to do that; I hope not. I think I'll > cut out around the bolt holes as > much as I can, try the antifreeze method, fill with > reinforced epoxy, add heavy > plate washers, bed well, and keep my fingers > crossed. > > Tod > > > _______________________________________________ > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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Re: M_Boats: Surveying M17
by Conbert H Benneck 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

Hi Irv For another view on the survey question, here are my two bits worth....... If you need a survey for insurance purposes, then you have to get one: no survey; no insurance But then the question arises, why insurance? Without researching my Home Owner's Police, plus my Extended Policy, I think that I am totally covered for small craft like a Montgomery 15 or 17, and I certainly am not carrying a Marine Insurance Police on a 15 foot boat that weights 1000 lbs! How much damage could it do to anything else? A scratch, maybe, and the cost of removing it would be far less than the yearly premium for a policy. When I sold my Tripp-Lentsch, the buyers had a survey made, and the surveyer, just confirmed all that I had told them, but they needed it for the Marine Insurance policy. I had a survey done on a Northeast 38 sailboat that I bought in Hamburg, Germany in 1985. Totally wasted money! I got a nice report telling me the boats layout; the number of sails;(but not their condition); that it had an engine - I knew that (but he didn't tell me that it just had had a major overhaul - the sellers told me that); how many drawers were in the main cabin, and on and on - with photos of the deck, and interior. When I sailed the boat in Denmark for 5 weeks and then brought it back to Hamburg to get small items fixed prior to sailing it back to the States, the man doing an Algrip paint job called me to tell me that the hull had a severe case of gell coat blistering underwater. My "good" surveyor, who said in his report how good it was that he could examine the boat out of water, totally failed to make any comments about hull condition or blistering Now, I knew what the boat was all about - it's layout; and had a list of equipment from the sellers; that's why I wanted to buy it. Blistering in the gell coat sure would have changed my mind about buying it. I checked if I could sue the surveyer for a lousy job, but he had a paragraph in his contract that in effect said ' anything found after the survey is conducted is not the responsibility of the surveyor...." .....and there I was. So, his survey was a total waste of money, though I did get some pretty pictures. ~~~~~~~~~ I bought my M15 sight unseen from an owner in Sauselito, CA, with boat at Panama City, Florida. No regrets: got a great boat! Connie

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Long Island Cruise
by Doug Kelch 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

Would there be any interest in a cruise behind the barrier Islands on east coast of Long Island, September 7, 8,9 or 8,9, 10. This would be in the Fire Island area. Local knowledge and parking accomodations would be provided by Abbey Gura, M15 #466. Nice, reliable seabreeze with little to no waves! Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com

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Re: M_Boats: Outboard Bracket
by GILASAILR＠aol.com 31 Jul '02

31 Jul '02

Long shaft 4 or 5 Hp should be fine anything more than 6 Hp will be too much - weight, size and the motor will pull the transom into the water (wet feet in the cockpit). I think you will find Eugene's boat a good one. Good Luck Gary O. M-17 #316A Blue Goose using an Evinrude Yachtwin 4

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