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Re: hdcd (World Without Wars)
by jtalbert 20 Jul '02

20 Jul '02

Amir wrote: > ---------------- > Efofex - A World Without Wars sounded cool.... > neat watercolor album cover. > I like the minimalist and artsy web site, too. > Thanks, Amir! :-) Last year, I was approached from a Greek organization to donate the title track for a multi-artist, multimedia, anti-war CD project that was to have been entitled "A World Without Wars and Violence" But the seemingly, CD production never went through seemingly for logistical reasons - I have no other details. The clip you heard is the result. The reason there is only a short clip on my web site is because I was holding the full track until the official release in Greece. That never happened and since then, it has undergone a few minor changes as well as the addition of a vocoder-only version. At this point, I am considering going forward with a 3 track single with ALL proceeds going to charity. I've just had some snags in my own release schedule due to unexpected events (I'm late with at least 2 other projects). I'll try to keep anyone posted who might be interested. Thanks again for the compliment. Kindest regards, John Efofex - Sound of Electronics http://www.efofex.net/

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Re: (hd)cds vs. vinyl ... or digital vs. analog equipment ( again ;-) ...
by Oh Jay 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

From: Soleil Lapierre <lapierrs(a)cuug.ab.ca> > "I see no reason to insult me, Captain." well ... it was U , who @ least ANNOYED or even insulted EV'RY vinyl "advocate" as u've written that we're all livin' in some kind of "dream world" , which was totally unnecessary & also UNJUSTIFIED for a mature discussion about the advantages & disadvantages of vinyl & cds , imho ... & the ONLY reason , why i've stepped into this - by now rather POINTLESS_!!! *sigh* :-o - discussion !!! :-o > You could try explaining it. sure , i could ... but as the troll that u are ( sometimes ) , u'll find a more or less intelligent way to say somethin' against it , so i really DON'T see a point in continuin' this discussion with u ... UNLESS u really LISTEN to what we vinyl "advocates" have to say & to PROVE ... & THEN try to refute it with some actual ARGUMENTS ... & NOT jus' tell us your humble opinion about what U ( alone ) think is "better" then , because we all have a diff'rent opinion about what sounds "better" !!! i'm actually ONLY interested in what IS "better" ... & NOT jus' in what sounds "better" in your or my humble opinion !!! that's where we differ too , mate !!! ;-) anyway ... to get back to my grayscales example ... once & for all : digital = 0 & 1 = black & white analog = an endless array between 0 & 1 = an endless array of grayscales is that "clear" enough for u by now , mate ??? *jus'_curious* > Because you claimed it could. i DIDN'T_!!! it's now obvious that i jus' haven't made myself "clear" enough for u to understand what i've really meant , as i've written "well ... it's jus' A_PLAIN_FACT that vinyl has a much greater frequency spectrum than a cd or - until today !!! - ANY digital medium could ever have !!! ;-)" to make it "clear" right now ... once & for all : i was talkin' about the AUDIBLE frequency spectrum of vinyl & cds , in which case vinyl INDEED has a much greater frequency spectrum ... as EV'RY sound engineer can PROVE to u WITHOUT_ANY_DOUBT_!!! *slyest_grin* ;-))) > Well, my PC has a 66MHz PCI bus, ... [ ... ] > so if you think vinyl has a wider spectrum than any digital medium, > you'll have to show that it can reproduce higher-frequency signals > than a computer can output. WHY should i ??? *puzzled_look* to remind u of the actual topic we are talkin' about here : it's actually about what u can HEAR or maybe FEEL ... & what is REAL & MOST_DEFINITELY_NOT about what is technically possible to achieve !!! that's the main mistake that cd advocates like u almost ALWAYS seem to make !!! *sigh* :-o to give u a definition of the term "analog" in general : "ANALOG" = quality , which changes continuously & CANNOT ( !!! ) bein' quantified in "DIGITAL" values !!! i really think that this definition speaks for itself now !!! *slyest_grin_u_can_imagine* ;-))) ... or to say it in other words : "ANALOG" = ORIGINAL / LIFE / SOURCE "DIGITAL" = COPY / ARTIFACT / IMITATION so HOW on earth can ANY "DIGITAL" medium EVER be "better" than ANY "ANALOG" medium then , eh ??? :-o well ... if u prefer A_CLONE or A_COPY to THE_ORIGINAL , then it can , but otherwise it simply COULDN'T_!!! PLAIN_FACTS_!!! PERIOD_!!! as i've already said in my very first postin' concernin' this tread : a cd can sound "clearer" than a vinyl record , but NEVER - in respect to the above definition of the words "analog" & "digital" !!! - "better" than it !!! fyi : "DIGITAL" values can get very close to the "ANALOG" original , but they can NEVER be exactly the same !!! PERIOD_!!! so "DIGITAL" will ALWAYS be inferior to "ANALOG" - albeit it may sound "clearer" , due to the REDUCTION of "ANALOG" noise ( or what people may recognize as "noise" then !!! ;-) - , simply because it can only get "near to PERFECTION" !!! ( a.k.a. THE - of course "ANALOG"_!!! ;-) - ORIGINAL_!!! ;-) > Ah, now you're qualifying it by saying "audible". That's different. ... but that's WHAT we are actually talkin' here about the whole time ... & NOT how it's technical possible for a digital medium to ( almost ) PERFECTLY_IMITATE_&_RECREATE an analog source / sound !!! :-o > No, I prefer superior CDs. :) well ... what u prefer is AN_ARTIFACT , AN_IMITATION of / to THE_ORIGINAL then , which is rather sad , ihmo !!! *sigh* :-o anyway ... i'll ALWAYS prefer THE_ORIGINAL of EV'RYTHIN' that i can get hold of to AN_ARTIFACT or AN_IMITATION of it !!! ;-) > How is "clearer" not better? What do you mean by clearer anyway? see my explanation above ... & reread the numerous other messages concernin' this tread again , if necessary !!! *sigh* :-o anyway ... as your whole opinion in this case seems to be biased & also based on ARTIFICIAL_VALUES , u'll sadly NEVER understand what i & all those other vinyl advocates mean !!! *deeply_saddened_sigh* :-o however ... many greetinx again , oh jay , who's REALLY tired of this whole thread by now & therefore has chosen NOT to reply to any further messages concernin' it , as it would jus' be a waste of my precious time then , sorry !!! :-/ ~*~ "life's too short to be ARTIFICIAL_!!!" ;-) *~\^/~*

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Re: [Kraftwerk] KW remastering, maybe?
by muziknut2＠juno.com 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

>>> Excuse me, has this HDCD anything to do with Sony's super audio compact disc (SACD)? Thanks in advance. <<< No. HDCD is an encoding process that brings back the analog "warmth" that some feel is missing in the digital medium to standard compact discs. SACD (super audio CD) is a new format that is 96kHz rather than the standard 16-bit of CDs and will not play in standard CD players. http://www.hdcd.com Peace.

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blinking ties...
by Kadmark Mats 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Hi, has anyone built any blinking ties yourselves? It wouldn't be that difficult if you had some knowledge about how to build electronics (I don't know how)... It would be nice if someone could write a step-to-step guide on how to build your blinking tie ! Come on all engineers and write one! Greetings from Sweden! Mats www.electron.tk

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Re: [Kraftwerk] KW remastering, maybe?
by muziknut2＠juno.com 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

>>> I've never seen a HDCD. How can this possibly work? I thought CD players were hardcoded to expect 16 bits per sample. <<< HDCD is NOT a format, it is a mastering process, 100% compatible with ordinary CD players. It brings back the "warmth" that many people feel lack with digital recording and/or mastering. Go to http://www.hdcd.com for more info and which CDs are HDCD-encoded. All of Joni Mitchell's early CDs are HDCD-encoded, for example. from the website: High Definition Compatible DigitalÂ® (HDCDÂ®) is a patented encode/decode process for delivering the full richness and detail of the original microphone feed on Compact Discs. Peace.

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55th anniversary
by Der Automat 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Wolfgang Fluer was born on July 17th, 1947 in Frankfurt. Happy birthday Mr. Fluer! DER AUTOMAT

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Kraftwerk in Holland
by Dirk Matten 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Holland? Belgien (Belgium)! Dirki kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 18.07.02 19:08:49: > Well, the europeans fans have one more option to see Kraftwerk this > year (Holland, 23 september). If any member buy the ticket, please > send the scan to us (and the poster are welcome too, of course). > See more informations about the new show at: > http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br/news.php > > > Marcelo Duarte > Dante de Conti > http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br > Brasil > > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ______________________________________________________________________________ WEB.DE MyPage - Ultimatives Kommunikationstool! Ihre Message sofort online! Domain aenderbar! http://www.das.ist.aber.ne.lustige.sache.ms/

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(no subject)
by Jorge estiels 19 Jul '02

19 Jul '02

Hi! what you Think about Kraftwelt and Komputer? Thanks! Soy un ser de luz!!

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Re: hdcd
by jtalbert 18 Jul '02

18 Jul '02

> > Besides, any music that is not played on purely digital instruments (e.g. > > "constructed" sounds) started their life as analog, > > since sound itself is analog ;) > > -------------------- > Interesting...the real world IS analog! > This may mean that digital will always be inherently inferior to real, > continuous sound waves! I've always felt this way. But I do find value in digital audio. I just happen to prefer analog in many respects (certain albums, instruments, etc.) > On the plus side, CD's aren't destroyed by needles, > and most human ears in the human marketplace can't tell the difference anyway. > Except for us KW audiophiles, of course! I suppose I would have to admit I'm one of those Kraftwerk audiophiles. Sadly, I can hear these minute differences we're talking about. Its almost embarrassing at times. :-D > Maybe a good comparison of digital to analog > is floury white bread compared to grains/wheat bread. > All the vitamins and minerals are washed out in white bread > and after 70 years, the crud adds 5 pounds to the walls of the intestinal system; > > not natural like the colon cleansing grains & fiber-loaded wheat bread. > > Maybe not so good a comparison...he he Whew! I'm glad I only eat wheat bread. Hmmmm, I wonder if there's some connection of a wheat bread diet and audiophile listening tastes. :) > There is currently a device (a cochlea implant) which helps deaf people to > hear... this is tested by passing an electrical current through some wires.. > the patient "hears" a noise... > > Therefore in years to come it would be possible to have music "heard" direct > from a keyboard or other electronic instruments. > > Well.. that's my opinion anyway! Wow. What a thought. We can all have S/PDIF or AES/EBU connectors in the back of our heads! :-P Kindest regards, John Efofex - Sound of Electronics http://www.efofex.net/

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Re: (hd)cds vs. vinyl ... or digital vs. analog equipment ( again ;-) ...
by Oh Jay 18 Jul '02

18 Jul '02

From: Soleil Lapierre <lapierrs(a)cuug.ab.ca> > Huh? You're not making any sense here. well ... it makes perfect sense , but u simply don't seem to get it , mate !!! *sigh* :-o however ... has anybody else a problem with the grayscales example of mine ??? *pure_curiosity* ;-) i sincerely hope NOT_!!! *G+* ;-) > Okay, so prove that vinyl can reproduce frequencies in the GHz, > or even in the MHz. That seems to be what you're saying here, > with that "any". WHY should vinyl "reproduce" such frequencies , as they are simply INAUDIBLE for ev'ry human bein' ... incl. u & me ??? *puzzled_look* :-o vinyl "reproduces" ALL audible frequences & harmonics MUCH_BETTER ( but not always "clearer" , which is the main reason , why people like u seem to prefer inferior cds to the good ol' vinyl !!! *sigh* :-o ) than EV'RY cd that i've EVER heard so far ... & i've heard THOUSANDS of totally diff'rent cds until today !!! ;-) anyway ... read the last message that i've forwarded here called "The Audio Debate: Vinyl or Compact Disc?" carefully & thoroughly ... & believe whatever u want , mate !!! *BWG* ;-))) thank u !!! however ... many greetinx again , oh jay ;-) ~*~ jvr network program - july 2002 : http://mitglied.lycos.de/cybernetx/program.html ( incl. live stream via internet ) studio webcam - live : http://stream.ok-bremen.de/studio.html radio show & playlist archive : http://friends.schallreflektor.com/ohjay/alien_disco for more info , send your request(s) to : oh_jay(a)kraftwerk.nu ;-) *~\^/~*

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