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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang
by Rob Evans 02 May '02

02 May '02

Well Oh Jay, Wolfgang appears to be inferring in his e-mail that Dirk Matten is a homosexual. You have conveniently ignored this very unpleasant and obvious remark. As someone who has been smeared by my peers over my sexuality I know full well what this feels like. Should Dirk sue the homophobic bastard for every euro he has got? >From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay(a)freenet.de> >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >CC: <elektropolis(a)web.de>,<zuwolf(a)t-online.de> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:36:09 +0200 > >From: "Dirk Matten" <elektropolis(a)web.de> > > > Dear Kraftwerk-list, > > > > in my posting some weeks ago I wrote about a photo > > an a gay-magazine in germany and about Wolfgangs part > > as a drummer with Kraftwerk (as far as I know from Ralf Huetter, > > Florian Schneider and Conny Plank). > > ... also about MY philosophy, what's it all about to be > > "mentally part of someting". Childish? > > > > Some days ago I received this email signed by "Wolfgang Flür", > > but I dont't know if this is the really one or someone else. > > Take your dictionary and have fun: > >dirk , > >that's really THE_LOWEST_LEVEL of all that U ( & NOT wolfgang !!! ) have >reached >by now !!! >U_REALLY_SHOULD_BE_ASHAMED , u jerk !!! > >fyi : if i would be the owner or moderator of this list , i would >IMMEDIATELY >ban u FOR_A_LIFETIME from this list , because ALL u are very obviously >interested in is PURE_LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION_!!! > >btw : if wolfgang decides to sue u , he'll surely get my full support for >it !!! > >goodbye , u sucker !!! > >oh jay > >*~\^/~* > > >_______________________________________________ >Kraftwerk mailing list >Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Gozilla x Ultraman
by Nicolau Centola 02 May '02

02 May '02

Eric >>> This would be intriguing, and it would be very useful to have Wolfgang as a point of reference for some of the questions that occasionally arise. Of course, he may have better ways to spend his time... All we have many better ways to spend our time, but unfortunately Kraftwerk is a "virus". Once you are with it, it will never disappear... hehehe... of course all we drink, make love and some other stuffs... and spend some time with KW list... by the way, how long is the list? I'm here since 1995, when a friend print me a KW digest. At that time, I had no connection to the web, but this friend always print it for me. And then, in August I finally signed. Should we celebrate a decade of discussions? >>>>Sounds like the ingredients for a perpetual Kraftwerk flame war... Delicious every minute! Even Oh Jay would be left with nothing to say in the face of such epic battles! Yes, we could watch nice battles, like Gozilla x Ultraman and some other delicious battles. Please bring the popcorn and beers.... Nicolau www.kraftworld.hpg.com.br

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang
by Rob Evans 02 May '02

02 May '02

Dirk Matten wrote: >in my posting some weeks ago I wrote about a photo an a gay-magazine in >germany and about Wolfgangs part as a drummer with Kraftwerk (as far as I >know from Ralf Huetter, Florian Schneider and Conny Plank). >... also about MY philosophy, what's it all about to be "mentally part of >someting". Childish? > >Some days ago I received this email signed by "Wolfgang Flür", but I dont't >know if this is the really one or someone else. Take your dictionary and >have fun: > >Betreff: Wolfgang flür >Von: zuwolf(a)t-online.de (Zuhal Korkmaz) >An: elektropolis(a)web.de >Datum: 25.04.02 18:49 erweiterten Header anzeigen > > >Pass mal auf Dirk Matten, was du da so von dir gibst im Internet auf den >Karftwerk Fanpages. Wenn Du mich dort weiter als Lügner bezeichnest, dann >muss ich Dir wohl mit meinem Anwalt drohen wegen Rufschädigung und >Verleumdung. Du kannst das gewiss nicht wissen, ob ich getrommelt habe oder >nicht. Und spiel Dich nicht so auf mit Deiner Nähe zu Kraftwerk, ("ich war >dabei, aks autobahn entstand") das ist ja richtig peinlich! Hast du doch >nicht nötig, hast doch selbst schöne Sachen geleistet, nicht wahr? Und wenn >du so scharf auf meine Nacktfotos bist, warum fragst du mich nicht selbst? >Ich kann jederzeit ein paar neue von mir anfertigen. > > >W. Flür > >zuwolf(a)t-online.de Dirk, could you provide a translation of this e-mail from Wolfgang? I can only speak English, I am quite ashamed of this. Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang
by Pat Slade 02 May '02

02 May '02

I also did not take his remark as homophobic. There was so much discussion about photos, so I would have made the same exact remark! I, for one, was delighted to see a post from Wolfgang. I don't think I've ever been on a list that a band member has posted on, and it was an opportunity to hear from an artist from a most amzing band. Thank you Wolfgang and to Klaus for facilitating this message. pat >From: "Mark Reed" <gentle.anarchist(a)virgin.net> >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang >Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:37:24 +0100 > >I don't think it is at all homophobic. And there is nothing wrong with >being >homosexual. It is only a "smear" if you yourself are homophobic. > >And besides, I think you'll find it was a joke. > >Goddamit I'm uptight! > >M > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1(a)hotmail.com> >To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 6:26 PM >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang > > >Well Oh Jay, Wolfgang appears to be inferring in his e-mail that Dirk >Matten >is a homosexual. You have conveniently ignored this very unpleasant and >obvious remark. As someone who has been smeared by my peers over my >sexuality I know full well what this feels like. Should Dirk sue the >homophobic bastard for every euro he has got? > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Kraftwerk mailing list >Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

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Wolfgang's message
by Thomas, Drew 02 May '02

02 May '02

I'm about tired of these whiny former members of bands who curse the very vehicle that drove them to success in the FIRST place! Hey Wolf, if it wasn't for Kraftwerk you'd be a nobody; DEAL with it! Don't blame Kraftwerk because nobody bought in to your whole Yamo thing. Wolf is by no means the first or last ex member of some band to come out swinging against his old bandmates. The world saw an ugly divorce in the early 70's with the Beatles breakup with vicious innuendo and rumors flying. In the years since this situation has been repeated by numerous other groups and former members, most recently with Van Halen and two of their former front men. You've had nearly 20 years to air you grievences against Kraftwerk but only NOW you decide to write some "tell all" book? I find it interesting that after Yamo has proved a disaster both in sales and radio air play, you decide to spout your extremely subjective and one-sided view of Kraftwerk. So I have to ask Wolf...what the hell is your POINT? Are you trying to turn us against Kraftwerk and come to hate Ralf and Florian? Do you want us to burn our Kraftwerk albums and become total fans of Yamo? If you're trying to convince the world of how bad of people Ralf and Florian are then what is the expected result? What do you want from the world and Kraftwerk fans? Drew Thomas, Official Beer Taster and... Program Director: WMKJ-FM Majic 105 Announcer: WWMG-FM Magic 96.1 Charlotte KQOL-FM Kool 93.1 Las Vegas WMXL-FM MIX 94.5 Lexington Office: 859.422.1115 Cell: 859.396.7371 Pager: 859.244.1281 Fax: 859.422.1038 -----Original Message----- From: kraftwerk-request(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:kraftwerk-request@mailman.xmission.com] Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 8:18 AM To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Kraftwerk digest, Vol 1 #129 - 4 msgs Send Kraftwerk mailing list submissions to kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to kraftwerk-request(a)mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at kraftwerk-admin(a)mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Kraftwerk digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Dirk Matten) 2. RE: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Lemmens Geert) 3. RE: Wolfgang's message. (main event) 4. Re: A message from Wolfgang Fluer (Rob Evans) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:10:06 +0200 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: Dirk Matten <elektropolis(a)web.de> To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 02.05.02: > A few days ago I had an e-mail conversation with Wolfgang Fluer > about some of the recent threads on this mailing list concerning him. > As he wanted to comment on some of these mails, but didn't want to > expose his private e-mail address, he asked me to forward the > following message on his behalf. > > Klaus Zaepke > > > ------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht / Forwarded message ------- > > Dear Friends, > > my name is wolfgang Fluer, ex-member of former Kraftwerk. Let me say > hello to everyone who contributes to this mailing list, which was > shown to me by Klaus Zaepke last week. > > Fist let me say thank you to Klaus for giving me the opportunity > sending my greetings and words to this internet medium. > > I wish to clear some vagueness which go through this list since > my book is out. I also wonder what you guys are discussing some times. > Aren't there other things in your lifes instead of discussing what > someone in Kraftwerk is probably drinking, for instance, or what it > has to mean, when we put flowers in our hair in the middle of the > seventies and took photos from us? What's so dammned gripping on > that? Kraftwerk members with naked upper bodies under a garden > shower, wouw! Have you never been in the swimming baths in hot summer > days? And what do you see there? Everyone could see us on the beaches > of St. Tropez ore elsewhere in those days. > > It's at least what I'm talking about in my book - Kraftwerker as > humans. And that's what Ralf a. Florian obviously disliked. They > wanted to reserve their myth as robotic inhuman secret and hidden. > > But I've changed since my departure and progress in Yamo. I wrote > my book in between three years, long after having split from KW. Of > course I was a real member for sixteen years - a physical AND menthal > member. All these stupid dealings of a poor Dirki boy ..."if someone > is mentally part of Kraftwerk, he is part of the group"...what a > shit! This man just wants to create some childish philosophical > sentences. Some members understood what I wanted to say and I dont't think philosopical ideas like these are childish. Sorry. He doesn't know anything of me, he was an device dealer - Sorry, device dealer, inventer of electronic stuff, producer of electronic stuff with my partner Hans-Joachim Wiechers AND good friend of Ralf and Florian > nothing else - especially no natural scientist or psychologist. Don't > let you tell of this bullshit what this man pours over the pages. He > prevents especially that it was his partner Hans Joachim Wiechers who > did the elementary electronical developments for us, not Dirki! The iedea for a sequencer like the Synthanorma was created by Hans-Joachim Wiechers and me and it was ppr old Dirki who gave this idea of making "sequencer-music" and the philosophy "I'm the master, you are the servant" to Ralf and Florian (lokk for my website) and it was confirmed by R&F before I put it online. There was no Wolfgang during all there interesting dicussions. The sequencer was constructed AND built by Hans-Joachim Wiechers and me (credits on some of the Kraftwerk LPs. The > man seems to be a lonly hearted individual and in his special age and > wants to be important now with his former nearness to our band. See > how badly he needs to describe his deal with Kraftwerk and how > adjobtrusive he is. And what is most impertinent, he tells my a lyer. > This is unfair and not true! In my book I say the truth on every page > and this Dirki is completely wrong for instance when he claims that I > didn't play the electronic drums on 'Autobahn'. How can he claim > this, when he wasn't there that day? I got this from Ralf & Florian AND Conny Plank, perhaps these persons don't tell the truth. Sorry, if I was wrong ... Besides of that I > recommend everyone to read his own homepage and discover what he > writes about his meeting with Conny Plank - former co-producer of > Ralf & Florian - and when he first listened to our song. Make your > own rhyme on it... > > But he's right when he says that I was a robot (after all he lends > this sentense from my own book - my coming out as a human). Yes, > that's true, I was a robot and I'm glad to be no longer. In my book > I write exactly what at least lead to my refusal from this formerly > innovative band. All the happy years in the beginning, my upcoming > doubts after our Computerworld tour in 1981, up to my painful split. > If it was no pain for me than I agree with old Dirki, then I would > have been only a machine with no feeling for affection. Yes, I was > stupid (as robots usually are) to believe in Ralf & Florian, to trust > in them and their constant promises in music making, tour traveling, > being properly payed and being participated in our success. Atz > least (1986) there was no other chance for me to pave my own path, > understand? Today I am happy that I decided so and would never go > back. My nature and personality is better open now to human themes > and I'm not such an inhibited person like the robots which I've left > once. > > As you know Ralf & Florian did a legal ban on my book here because > they didn't want to be shown under Florians garden shower with me. > By the way, these photos were taken by ourselves with Florians and my > own new Polaroid SX 70 cameras, which we bought during our first US > tour in 1975, and not by any female film-makers (I wonder who > developed such a rubbish).There were some other points which the both > didn't like to be published. And especially that I've invented and > built my first electric drum board. Can one imagine why they cannot > grudge this to me? The first lawsuit is over now and finally I've won > it. The judge believed in my and my lawyers evidences and now R&F > filed an appeal against this first judgement. We'll see what the > next step can bring... > > Thanks by the way to Oh Jay for his understanding / partisanship and > defencing my point of view. He is right when he says that it was > EXPLOITATION for the reason why I've left Kraftwerk. Oh Jay looks > completely through, sorry, even if you guys don't like to heare it! > > Photos which I'd done in the middle of the seventies were of course > not only for money, they were also for fun. You're right, Pat, when > you wrote "for beauty we'll pay". That was one of our great themes, > as everyone knows. That was our point of view in a city where the > beauties were running in the streets like insects. I was too - no > insect but beauty - and I loved to expose myself, not only on the > stage with Kraftwerk. What is so dammed unnatural on it? You in > U.S. seem to be especially inhibited there, aren't you? Anyway, I > loved myself, my body, my talents, the people and artists around me. > It was luck I had beside of my talents, nothing else. > > Read properly 'Kraftwerk - I Was A Robot' between the lines and > discover it's honesty and my naturalness. For those, who cannot > handle it, I feel sorry. And who wishes to know more about what > electronic music can spread further after a Kraftwerk, should listen > to Yamo Pop. 'Time-Pie' for instance (USA: Hypnotic CLP 0119). > Delicious every minute! I wish everyone a pleasant time. > > Sincerely yours, > Wolfgang. > > ------- Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht / End of forwarded message > ------- > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ________________________________________________________________ Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13 --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 03:17:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Lemmens Geert <gele_skylined(a)yahoo.com> Subject: RE: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com --0-1248791624-1020334649=:27183 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii wow, i'm amazed! can't really believe it's wolfgang himself, thx a lot Klaus! g Richard Poolton <richardpoolton(a)uk.dmgworldmedia.com> wrote: Thank you for bringing this Klaus. It is really fascinating. -----Original Message----- From: Klaus Zaepke [mailto:k_z@gmx.de] Sent: 02 May 2002 08:15 To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer A few days ago I had an e-mail conversation with Wolfgang Fluer about some of the recent threads on this mailing list concerning him. As he wanted to comment on some of these mails, but didn't want to expose his private e-mail address, he asked me to forward the following message on his behalf. Klaus Zaepke ------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht / Forwarded message ------- Dear Friends, my name is wolfgang Fluer, ex-member of former Kraftwerk. Let me say hello to everyone who contributes to this mailing list, which was shown to me by Klaus Zaepke last week. Fist let me say thank you to Klaus for giving me the opportunity sending my greetings and words to this internet medium. I wish to clear some vagueness which go through this list since my book is out. I also wonder what you guys are discussing some times. Aren't there other things in your lifes instead of discussing what someone in Kraftwerk is probably drinking, for instance, or what it has to mean, when we put flowers in our hair in the middle of the seventies and took photos from us? What's so dammned gripping on that? Kraftwerk members with naked upper bodies under a garden shower, wouw! Have you never been in the swimming baths in hot summer days? And what do you see there? Everyone could see us on the beaches of St. Tropez ore elsewhere in those days. It's at least what I'm talking about in my book - Kraftwerker as humans. And that's what Ralf a. Florian obviously disliked. They wanted to reserve their myth as robotic inhuman secret and hidden. But I've changed since my departure and progress in Yamo. I wrote my book in between three years, long after having split from KW. Of course I was a real member for sixteen years - a physical AND menthal member. All these stupid dealings of a poor Dirki boy ..."if someone is mentally part of Kraftwerk, he is part of the group"...what a shit! This man just wants to create some childish philosophical sentences. He doesn't know anything of me, he was an device dealer - nothing else - especially no natural scientist or psychologist. Don't let you tell of this bullshit what this man pours over the pages. He prevents especially that it was his partner Hans Joachim Wiechers who did the elementary electronical developments for us, not Dirki! The man seems to be a lonly hearted individual and in his special age and wants to be important now with his former nearness to our band. See how badly he needs to describe his deal with Kraftwerk and how adjobtrusive he is. And what is most impertinent, he tells my a lyer. This is unfair and not true! In my book I say the truth on every page and this Dirki is completely wrong for instance when he claims that I didn't play the electronic drums on 'Autobahn'. How can he claim this, when he wasn't there that day? Besides of that I recommend everyone to read his own homepage and discover what he writes about his meeting with Conny Plank - former co-producer of Ralf & Florian - and when he first listened to our song. Make your own rhyme on it... But he's right when he says that I was a robot (after all he lends this sentense from my own book - my coming out as a human). Yes, that's true, I was a robot and I'm glad to be no longer. In my book I write exactly what at least lead to my refusal from this formerly innovative band. All the happy years in the beginning, my upcoming doubts after our Computerworld tour in 1981, up to my painful split. If it was no pain for me than I agree with old Dirki, then I would have been only a machine with no feeling for affection. Yes, I was stupid (as robots usually are) to believe in Ralf & Florian, to trust in them and their constant promises in music making, tour traveling, being properly payed and being participated in our success. Atz least (1986) there was no other chance for me to pave my own path, understand? Today I am happy that I decided so and would never go back. My nature and personality is better open now to human themes and I'm not such an inhibited person like the robots which I've left once. As you know Ralf & Florian did a legal ban on my book here because they didn't want to be shown under Florians garden shower with me. By the way, these photos were taken by ourselves with Florians and my own new Polaroid SX 70 cameras, which we bought during our first US tour in 1975, and not by any female film-makers (I wonder who developed such a rubbish).There were some other points which the both didn't like to be published. And especially that I've invented and built my first electric drum board. Can one imagine why they cannot grudge this to me? The first lawsuit is over now and finally I've won it. The judge believed in my and my lawyers evidences and now R&F filed an appeal against this first judgement. We'll see what the next step can bring... Thanks by the way to Oh Jay for his understanding / partisanship and defencing my point of view. He is right when he says that it was EXPLOITATION for the reason why I've left Kraftwerk. Oh Jay looks completely through, sorry, even if you guys don't like to heare it! Photos which I'd done in the middle of the seventies were of course not only for money, they were also for fun. You're right, Pat, when you wrote "for beauty we'll pay". That was one of our great themes, as everyone knows. That was our point of view in a city where the beauties were running in the streets like insects. I was too - no insect but beauty - and I loved to expose myself, not only on the stage with Kraftwerk. What is so dammed unnatural on it? You in U.S. seem to be especially inhibited there, aren't you? Anyway, I loved myself, my body, my talents, the people and artists around me. It was luck I had beside of my talents, nothing else. Read properly 'Kraftwerk - I Was A Robot' between the lines and discover it's honesty and my naturalness. For those, who cannot handle it, I feel sorry. And who wishes to know more about what electronic music can spread further after a Kraftwerk, should listen to Yamo Pop. 'Time-Pie' for instance (USA: Hypnotic CLP 0119). Delicious every minute! I wish everyone a pleasant time. Sincerely yours, Wolfgang. ------- Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht / End of forwarded message ------- _______________________________________________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. 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Health - your guide to health and wellness --0-1248791624-1020334649=:27183 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii wow, i'm amazed! can't really believe it's wolfgang himself, thx a lot Klaus! g   Richard Poolton <richardpoolton(a)uk.dmgworldmedia.com> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Thank you for bringing this Klaus. It is really fascinating. -----Original Message----- From: Klaus Zaepke [mailto:k_z@gmx.de] Sent: 02 May 2002 08:15 To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer A few days ago I had an e-mail conversation with Wolfgang Fluer about some of the recent threads on this mailing list concerning him. As he wanted to comment on some of these mails, but didn't want to expose his private e-mail address, he asked me to forward the following message on his behalf. Klaus Zaepke ------- Weitergeleitete Nachricht / Forwarded message ------- Dear Friends, my name is wolfgang Fluer, ex-member of former Kraftwerk. Let me say hello to everyone who contributes to this mailing list, which was shown to me by Klaus Zaepke last week. Fist let me say thank you to Klaus for giving me the opportunity sending my greetings and words to this internet medium. I wish to clear some vagueness which go through this list since my book is out. I also wonder what you guys are discussing some times. Aren't there other things in your lifes instead of discussing what someone in Kraftwerk is probably drinking, for instance, or what it has to mean, when we put flowers in our hair in the middle of the seventies and took photos from us? What's so dammned gripping on that? Kraftwerk members with naked upper bodies under a garden shower, wouw! Have you never been in the swimming baths in hot summer days? And what do you see there? Everyone could see us on the beaches of St. Tropez ore elsewhere in those days. It's at least what I'm talking about in my book - Kraftwerker as humans. And that's what Ralf a. Florian obviously disliked. They wanted to reserve their myth as robotic inhuman secret and hidden. But I've changed since my departure and progress in Yamo. I wrote my book in between three years, long after having split from KW. Of course I was a real member for sixteen years - a physical AND menthal member. All these stupid dealings of a poor Dirki boy ..."if someone is mentally part of Kraftwerk, he is part of the group"...what a shit! This man just wants to create some childish philosophical sentences. He doesn't know anything of me, he was an device dealer - nothing else - especially no natural scientist or psychologist. Don't let you tell of this bullshit what this man pours over the pages. He prevents especially that it was his partner Hans Joachim Wiechers who did the elementary electronical developments for us, not Dirki! The man seems to be a lonly hearted individual and in his special age and wants to be important now with his former nearness to our band. See how badly he needs to describe his deal with Kraftwerk and how adjobtrusive he is. And what is most impertinent, he tells my a lyer. This is unfair and not true! In my book I say the truth on every page and this Dirki is completely wrong for instance when he claims that I didn't play the electronic drums on 'Autobahn'. How can he claim this, when he wasn't there that day? Besides of that I recommend everyone to read his own homepage and discover what he writes about his meeting with Conny Plank - former co-producer of Ralf & Florian - and when he first listened to our song. Make your own rhyme on it... But he's right when he says that I was a robot (after all he lends this sentense from my own book - my coming out as a human). Yes, that's true, I was a robot and I'm glad to be no longer. In my book I write exactly what at least lead to my refusal from this formerly innovative band. All the happy years in the beginning, my upcoming doubts after our Computerworld tour in 1981, up to my painful split. If it was no pain for me than I agree with old Dirki, then I would have been only a machine with no feeling for affection. Yes, I was stupid (as robots usually are) to believe in Ralf & Florian, to trust in them and their constant promises in music making, tour traveling, being properly payed and being participated in our success. Atz least (1986) there was no other chance for me to pave my own path, understand? Today I am happy that I decided so and would never go back. My nature and personality is better open now to human themes and I'm not such an inhibited person like the robots which I've left once. As you know Ralf & Florian did a legal ban on my book here because they didn't want to be shown under Florians garden shower with me. By the way, these photos were taken by ourselves with Florians and my own new Polaroid SX 70 cameras, which we bought during our first US tour in 1975, and not by any female film-makers (I wonder who developed such a rubbish).There were some other points which the both didn't like to be published. And especially that I've invented and built my first electric drum board. Can one imagine why they cannot grudge this to me? The first lawsuit is over now and finally I've won it. The judge believed in my and my lawyers evidences and now R&F filed an appeal against this first judgement. We'll see what the next step can bring... Thanks by the way to Oh Jay for his understanding / partisanship and defencing my point of view. He is right when he says that it was EXPLOITATION for the reason why I've left Kraftwerk. Oh Jay looks completely through, sorry, even if you guys don't like to heare it! Photos which I'd done in the middle of the seventies were of course not only for money, they were also for fun. You're right, Pat, when you wrote "for beauty we'll pay". That was one of our great themes, as everyone knows. That was our point of view in a city where the beauties were running in the streets like insects. I was too - no insect but beauty - and I loved to expose myself, not only on the stage with Kraftwerk. What is so dammed unnatural on it? You in U.S. seem to be especially inhibited there, aren't you? Anyway, I loved myself, my body, my talents, the people and artists around me. It was luck I had beside of my talents, nothing else. Read properly 'Kraftwerk - I Was A Robot' between the lines and discover it's honesty and my naturalness. For those, who cannot handle it, I feel sorry. And who wishes to know more about what electronic music can spread further after a Kraftwerk, should listen to Yamo Pop. 'Time-Pie' for instance (USA: Hypnotic CLP 0119). Delicious every minute! I wish everyone a pleasant time. Sincerely yours, Wolfgang. ------- Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht / End of forwarded message ------- _______________________________________________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bi n/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ************************************ ********************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ************************************* ********************************* ___________________________________ ____________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bi n/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk</BLOCKQUOTE> father/into your hands/I/command my spirit. why have you forsaken me, in your eyes forsaken me, in your thoughts forsaken me, in your heart forsaken me, me oh. trust in my self righteous suicide, I, cry, when angels deserve to die... <hr size=1>Do You Yahoo!? <a href="http://rd.yahoo.com/welcome/*http://health.yahoo.com">Yahoo! Health</a> - your guide to health and wellness --0-1248791624-1020334649=:27183-- --__--__-- Message: 3 From: "main event" <mainevent_(a)hotmail.com> To: Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:06:54 +0100 Subject: [Kraftwerk] RE: Wolfgang's message. Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Hello Everyone.. Thanks Klaus for sharing Wolfgang's message with us!! When those photos appeared of the group.. I had a good laugh because we all have fun times and we HAVE ALL at some point had funny photographs taken!! So what?!!! Why did some people make a big deal of it all?? Because it was Kraftwerk .. and they are not allowed to have some fun or have a private social life. I believe that there are many Kraftwerk fans out there who quite simply believe that they never smile, never eat, never talk socially but make god like pronouncements to each other, because they are actually Robots.. Thats what society/media/image can do to some people.. take a soap opera or a drama show.. Its that well written that there are some people out there believe that the settings and characters are actually real people, not actors. So what Im trying to say here is that Kraftwerk's image manipulation was so good that many believed that they are silent, moody people who talk about machines all the time!! I read Wolfgang's book and I found him to be a chap who wears his heart on his sleeve, who believed in Kraftwerk and wanted them to be a well loved band with regular tours/albums. But it seemed that his enthusiasm wasnt mirrored back to him or rubbed off to the founding members. Its good to hear that he has won the first battle in the court case, Its silly that Ralf Hutter and Florian Schnieder want people to believe that they are slient robots without feeling. I have never thought that but it seems that there are many KW fans out there that are taken in by their image!!!!!! Ralf and Florian should just relax and make some nice sequences in KlingKlang.. ' Anyone who swims with the current will reach the big music steamship; whoever swims against the current may perhaps reach the source ' http://www.mp3.com/mainevent http://www.maineventmusik.co.uk http://www.stationmp3.com/mainevent _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com --__--__-- Message: 4 From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1(a)hotmail.com> To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] A message from Wolfgang Fluer Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 13:15:54 +0100 Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com Wolfgang Fluer wrote: >I wish to clear some vagueness which go through this list since >my book is out. I also wonder what you guys are discussing some times. >Aren't there other things in your lifes instead of discussing what >someone in Kraftwerk is probably drinking, for instance, or what it >has to mean, when we put flowers in our hair in the middle of the >seventies and took photos from us? What's so dammned gripping on >that? Kraftwerk members with naked upper bodies under a garden >shower, wouw! Most of the discussions on this list are of a humorous nature. Please understand that. There is no Kraftwerk album so we have to discuss other things, yes? Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com --__--__-- _______________________________________________ Kraftwerk mailing list Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk End of Kraftwerk Digest

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang
by Rob Evans 02 May '02

02 May '02

By the way, I am straight. Not that it's got anything to do with Kraftwerk. The whole thing is more funny than anything, shall we get back on topic? It's hard I know with no new album? >From: "Rob Evans" <robert_evans1(a)hotmail.com> >Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang >Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 18:26:25 +0100 > >Well Oh Jay, Wolfgang appears to be inferring in his e-mail that Dirk >Matten >is a homosexual. You have conveniently ignored this very unpleasant and >obvious remark. As someone who has been smeared by my peers over my >sexuality I know full well what this feels like. Should Dirk sue the >homophobic bastard for every euro he has got? > > >>From: "Oh Jay" <oh_jay(a)freenet.de> >>Reply-To: kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >>To: <kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com> >>CC: <elektropolis(a)web.de>,<zuwolf(a)t-online.de> >>Subject: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang >>Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 18:36:09 +0200 >> >>From: "Dirk Matten" <elektropolis(a)web.de> >> >> > Dear Kraftwerk-list, >> > >> > in my posting some weeks ago I wrote about a photo >> > an a gay-magazine in germany and about Wolfgangs part >> > as a drummer with Kraftwerk (as far as I know from Ralf Huetter, >> > Florian Schneider and Conny Plank). >> > ... also about MY philosophy, what's it all about to be >> > "mentally part of someting". Childish? >> > >> > Some days ago I received this email signed by "Wolfgang Flür", >> > but I dont't know if this is the really one or someone else. >> > Take your dictionary and have fun: >> >>dirk , >> >>that's really THE_LOWEST_LEVEL of all that U ( & NOT wolfgang !!! ) have >>reached >>by now !!! >>U_REALLY_SHOULD_BE_ASHAMED , u jerk !!! >> >>fyi : if i would be the owner or moderator of this list , i would >>IMMEDIATELY >>ban u FOR_A_LIFETIME from this list , because ALL u are very obviously >>interested in is PURE_LIBEL_&_DEFAMATION_!!! >> >>btw : if wolfgang decides to sue u , he'll surely get my full support for >>it !!! >> >>goodbye , u sucker !!! >> >>oh jay >> >>*~\^/~* >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Kraftwerk mailing list >>Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >>http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >Kraftwerk mailing list >Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: Re: [Kraftwerk] Re: Wolfgang
by Dirk Matten 02 May '02

02 May '02

kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com schrieb am 02.05.02: > Dirk Matten wrote: >Hi Rob, there are some fine phrasings and I think perhaps Klaus Zaepke could do this job. Best regards Dirk > > >in my posting some weeks ago I wrote about a photo an a gay-magazine in > >germany and about Wolfgangs part as a drummer with Kraftwerk (as far as I > >know from Ralf Huetter, Florian Schneider and Conny Plank). > >... also about MY philosophy, what's it all about to be "mentally part of > >someting". Childish? > > > >Some days ago I received this email signed by "Wolfgang Flür", but I dont't > >know if this is the really one or someone else. Take your dictionary and > >have fun: > > > >Betreff: Wolfgang flür > >Von: zuwolf(a)t-online.de (Zuhal Korkmaz) > >An: elektropolis(a)web.de > >Datum: 25.04.02 18:49 erweiterten Header anzeigen > > > > > >Pass mal auf Dirk Matten, was du da so von dir gibst im Internet auf den > >Karftwerk Fanpages. Wenn Du mich dort weiter als Lügner bezeichnest, dann > >muss ich Dir wohl mit meinem Anwalt drohen wegen Rufschädigung und > >Verleumdung. Du kannst das gewiss nicht wissen, ob ich getrommelt habe oder > >nicht. Und spiel Dich nicht so auf mit Deiner Nähe zu Kraftwerk, ("ich war > >dabei, aks autobahn entstand") das ist ja richtig peinlich! Hast du doch > >nicht nötig, hast doch selbst schöne Sachen geleistet, nicht wahr? Und wenn > >du so scharf auf meine Nacktfotos bist, warum fragst du mich nicht selbst? > >Ich kann jederzeit ein paar neue von mir anfertigen. > > > > > >W. Flür > > > >zuwolf(a)t-online.de > > Dirk, could you provide a translation of this e-mail from Wolfgang? I can > only speak English, I am quite ashamed of this. > > Rob. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Kraftwerk mailing list > Kraftwerk(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/kraftwerk ______________________________________________________________________________ All inclusive! 100 MB Speicher, werbefrei, SMS günstiger, Wunschrufnummer, Events, Preisvorteile und mehr unter http://club.web.de/?mc=021104

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RE: Arpanet Album
by Shaun Vaughan 02 May '02

02 May '02

Of interest to y'all maybe and I'm quoting from a review of an album in Mixmag (UK dance magazine) by Arpanet called Wireless Internet. Album opens with a lengthy vocodered musing on the subject of web-connected mobile phones then a dark sexy blend of analogue synth throb, bass shudders and textured drumtics. Originates in Detroits's Dataphysix studios, the home of kinky Kraftwerk clones, Dopplereffekt who also record as Japanese Telecom (rumoured to be part of Underground Resistance affiliates Drexciya). Older technoheads can appreciate the album as Kraftwerk without the cables (?) - 'Wireless Internet' is almost a re-run of the German pioneers classic, 'Computerworld'. Intriguing and superbly listenable. Which all goes to prove that it's more fun to confuse. Wireless Internet by ARPANET (Record Makers/Virgin) released April 22nd. Shaun The new "We are all made of stars" Moby video, reminds me a lot to the song "Hall of mirrors" and in some weird way to "15 minutes of fame". Enrique

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Re: Wolfgang
by Dirk Matten 02 May '02

02 May '02

Dear Kraftwerk-list, in my posting some weeks ago I wrote about a photo an a gay-magazine in germany and about Wolfgangs part as a drummer with Kraftwerk (as far as I know from Ralf Huetter, Florian Schneider and Conny Plank). ... also about MY philosophy, what's it all about to be "mentally part of someting". Childish? Some days ago I received this email signed by "Wolfgang Flür", but I dont't know if this is the really one or someone else. Take your dictionary and have fun: Betreff: Wolfgang flür Von: zuwolf(a)t-online.de (Zuhal Korkmaz) An: elektropolis(a)web.de Datum: 25.04.02 18:49 erweiterten Header anzeigen Pass mal auf Dirk Matten, was du da so von dir gibst im Internet auf den Karftwerk Fanpages. Wenn Du mich dort weiter als Lügner bezeichnest, dann muss ich Dir wohl mit meinem Anwalt drohen wegen Rufschädigung und Verleumdung. Du kannst das gewiss nicht wissen, ob ich getrommelt habe oder nicht. Und spiel Dich nicht so auf mit Deiner Nähe zu Kraftwerk, ("ich war dabei, aks autobahn entstand") das ist ja richtig peinlich! Hast du doch nicht nötig, hast doch selbst schöne Sachen geleistet, nicht wahr? Und wenn du so scharf auf meine Nacktfotos bist, warum fragst du mich nicht selbst? Ich kann jederzeit ein paar neue von mir anfertigen. W. Flür zuwolf(a)t-online.de ________________________________________________________________ Keine verlorenen Lotto-Quittungen, keine vergessenen Gewinne mehr! Beim WEB.DE Lottoservice: http://tippen2.web.de/?x=13

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Re: [Kraftwerk] Concerning female film maker
by Rob Evans 02 May '02

02 May '02

>If my memory serves me well, I recall that the photos were made by KW >themselves, as a kind of fun camp way to spend a sunny afternoon. Of course. I think it was possibly a response to people speculating that they were all homosexual. Surely they must have been homosexual, because they are all good looking and they wore lipstick on the Man Machine album sleeve? And surely they are all neo-nazis, because they are German and they are interested in machines... Rob. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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