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RE: [KLF] lenny d-dee
by John Milne 03 Feb '07

03 Feb '07

As far as I've always been led to believe, it's the same guy - but someone on here might correct me. Johnny M-Emm > Message Received: Feb 03 2007, 08:37 PM > From: "Sebastien Ledys" <seb.ledys(a)gmail.com> > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Subject: [KLF] lenny d-dee > > > hello list, > > i found this a few years ago on soulseek, our man Lenny D. djing on the > colin flavor show on kiss100fm in 1991, and playing a KLF track. for > those who love acidhouse/old hardcore, this is really good! > > http://rapidshare.com/files/14762383/Lenny_D_Kiss_FM_1991.mp3.html > > > Anyway, last year i saw a dj called Lenny DEE playing some horrible > hardcore in paris, does anyone know if Lenny DEE is the same as Lenny D? > > > I'll be happy to participate in the "truckstop jams" project and > distribute some copies in france, but now i don't have many time to > participate in the tracklisting... > > bye list > -- > Ledys Sébastien > > **************************************************** > Fuck yeah! It's great, man! -Duff McKagan June, 1987 > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > >

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Re: [KLF] Getting lost again
by John Milne 03 Feb '07

03 Feb '07

There is another option, which I saw mentioned on the comedy website "Chilled Cream", on a thread about "bands that don't have greatest hits but should have" - ALL the 12" mixes! This would mean restriction to the KLF, but at just under 78 minutes you could have: (1) What Time is Love (KLF4T a-side) (2) 3 AM Eternal (KLF5T a-side) (3) Kylie Said to Jason (KLF010T a-side - or preferably the KLF010R a-side) (4) Last Train to Trancentral (KLF008R a-side or b-side - take your pick!) (5) What Time is Love (KLF4X a-side) (6) 3 AM Eternal (KLF5X a-side) (7) Last Train to Trancentral (KLF8X a-side) (8) Justified and Ancient (CHOC ICE 2 a-side) (9) America: What Time is Love (Full Uncensored Version) (10) What Time is Love (Moody Boys) (KLF4Y a-side) (11) 3 AM Eternal (Rankin' Dub Version) (12) Last Train to Trancentral (Mu D Vari-Speed Version) Although, really, I think we should stick to the single edits. Remixes tend to be for a second disc, a limited edition, or another release, rather than on greatest hits themselves. > Message Received: Feb 03 2007, 06:30 PM > From: "Elliott" <blindedbythedarkness(a)ntlworld.com> > To: john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk, "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Subject: Re: [KLF] Getting lost again > > OK how about radio edits of only KLF tracks, and if there is room at the end > of the disc a few remixes of the bigger hits, 3am, WTIL and LTTT or maybe a > couple of LIVE versions?...................(and were off again for another > lengthy debate/argument) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Milne" <john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk> > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 1:41 PM > Subject: Re: [KLF] Getting lost again > > > > > > Totally agree. These radio edits were all created by the KLF for a > > reason - to grab the attention of the casual radio-listener. Remixes and > > dance-orientated tracks were for a different kind of audience, but single > > versions were purely for the non-fan FM radio/TOTP fan. And its through > > these we're trying to introduce Bill & Jimmy's work, working against the > > added obstacle that most of these edit are nearly 2 decades old. > > > > If we're picking our own favourite tracks, then "Trance Kylie Express" > > (KLF010R a-side) is the one for me; (a) it's my favourite KLF pop track > > and is far superior to the KLF010T a-side mix, and (b) it's been grossly > > under-represented on bootlegs so far, particularly in comparison to some > > of the more monotonous, trance-like KSTJ remixes of 010R and 010RR. > > > > ... but ... > > > > I'd rather we just put out a disc of the single edits (even if they are > > slightly editted by some of us to re-introduce elements from other > > versions). > > > > > >> Message Received: Feb 03 2007, 11:38 AM > >> From: "John Lunney" <johnlunney(a)o2.ie> > >> To: john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk, "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." > >> <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > >> Cc: > >> Subject: Re: [KLF] Getting lost again > >> > >> That's what I find myself saying repeatedly... > >> It shouldn't be a special remix, it should be the single mix. > >> It shouldn't be Kylie In A Trance, it should be What Time Is Love. > >> Etc. > >> > >> John > >> > >> On 3 Feb 2007, at 10:39, John Milne wrote: > >> > >> > > >> > Have we got a cut-off date for the tracklist, and a date for the > >> > release of the CD yet? > >> > > >> > And can I just say, I really, really think we're moving too far > >> > away from the "Singles/Best Of" original idea. What we're going to > >> > end up with is a "Lost Sounds" created by committee - which is > >> > going to please no one but a few geeks. And we're doing this CD > >> > (evangelise the music, if you will) for the consumers, not > >> > ourselves. And the consumers will be casual, non-KLF-fan, ooh-I- > >> > remember-them-Tammy-Wynette-wasn't-it kind of people, who will want > >> > the singles, the novelty tracks, the laughs, anything to do with > >> > the scams, but not 15 year old remixes that means nothing to anyone > >> > under 30 and already a KLF obsessive. > >> > > >> > Just a thought. > >> > > >> > John > >> > > >> > > >> >> Message Received: Feb 03 2007, 01:42 AM > >> >> From: TheMgnt(a)aol.com > >> >> To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> >> Cc: > >> >> Subject: Re: [KLF] F_O_C_U_S > >> >> > >> >>> their favourite tracks for inclusion, which are getting pretty > >> >>> obscure > >> >> again (Razormaid mix? surely not...) > >> >> > >> >> Usually no, but I /think/ the person was talking about the > >> >> Gridlock'd mix of > >> >> LTTT which is perhaps the best unofficial mix of LTTT there is. > >> >> And the > >> >> best DJ service mix that I'm aware of. > >> >> > >> >>> Finally, unless i got my wires crossed, whoever uploaded that zipped > >> >> compilation said they had made > >> >>> custom versions of the WTIL evil edit and Fuck the Millennium, > >> >>> but only > >> >> the 'original' versions were > >> >>> present? Not that the evil edit should go on the CD IMO, though > >> >>> i am > >> >> obviously a fan, but that's something > >> >>> else for the wiki =) > >> >> > >> >> That'd be me (i think). (i was just about to clarify this and > >> >> went to the > >> >> wiki to check the tracklist and I see it's not correct. I didn't > >> >> post that > >> >> text, but I did post the compilation's zip file.) > >> >> > >> >> I did /not/ modify Evil Edit at all. It's not part of my > >> >> original track > >> >> list, but I included it in the zip since I suggested as a > >> >> replacement for > >> >> WTIL:Power 7" > >> >> > >> >> My own edited/modified tracks are: Whitney 7" (as there isn't > >> >> one), Mad Ru > >> >> 7" (edited from the 12" for sound quality. very minor > >> >> differences in effects > >> >> during the last 30s when compared to the original edit), > >> >> WTIL:Trancentral > >> >> (added on the extended ending from the US 12" for personal > >> >> taste), FTM (dubbed > >> >> in the "a-ha-ha KLF!" over the break because I like that bit in > >> >> the Different > >> >> Project mixes) > >> >> > >> >> I will add this to the wiki page. > >> >> > >> >> -paul > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > KLF mailing list > >> > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > >> > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KLF mailing list > > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > > >

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RE: [KLF] Disco 2000 - Uptight CD
by John Milne 03 Feb '07

03 Feb '07

I ripped them all in Apple Lossless format before selling it (and mp3s). If I can find them quickly, will that do? John > Message Received: Feb 03 2007, 09:25 PM > From: "Simon Daw" <simon(a)antmusic.fsnet.co.uk> > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Cc: > Subject: [KLF] Disco 2000 - Uptight CD > > Hi Everyone > > > > It's not often that I post on this list, but some of the old-timers will > know me! > > > > I've got a favour to ask - somebody made me a CDR years ago that had a copy > of the Euro CD single of Disco 2000's 'Uptight' (CICD7 961) on it. I have > found the CDR to be unplayable. > > > > I wondered if anybody here has an original copy that they could make a > quality rip of all 4 tracks (e.g. using EAC) and upload it in WAV format for > me to download? > > > > Big favour I know, but here's hoping. > > > > Simon > > =:-) > > > >

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Re: [KLF] Getting lost again
by John Milne 03 Feb '07

03 Feb '07

Totally agree. These radio edits were all created by the KLF for a reason - to grab the attention of the casual radio-listener. Remixes and dance-orientated tracks were for a different kind of audience, but single versions were purely for the non-fan FM radio/TOTP fan. And its through these we're trying to introduce Bill & Jimmy's work, working against the added obstacle that most of these edit are nearly 2 decades old. If we're picking our own favourite tracks, then "Trance Kylie Express" (KLF010R a-side) is the one for me; (a) it's my favourite KLF pop track and is far superior to the KLF010T a-side mix, and (b) it's been grossly under-represented on bootlegs so far, particularly in comparison to some of the more monotonous, trance-like KSTJ remixes of 010R and 010RR. ... but ... I'd rather we just put out a disc of the single edits (even if they are slightly editted by some of us to re-introduce elements from other versions). > Message Received: Feb 03 2007, 11:38 AM > From: "John Lunney" <johnlunney(a)o2.ie> > To: john(a)highlandland.fsnet.co.uk, "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Subject: Re: [KLF] Getting lost again > > That's what I find myself saying repeatedly... > It shouldn't be a special remix, it should be the single mix. > It shouldn't be Kylie In A Trance, it should be What Time Is Love. > Etc. > > John > > On 3 Feb 2007, at 10:39, John Milne wrote: > > > > > Have we got a cut-off date for the tracklist, and a date for the > > release of the CD yet? > > > > And can I just say, I really, really think we're moving too far > > away from the "Singles/Best Of" original idea. What we're going to > > end up with is a "Lost Sounds" created by committee - which is > > going to please no one but a few geeks. And we're doing this CD > > (evangelise the music, if you will) for the consumers, not > > ourselves. And the consumers will be casual, non-KLF-fan, ooh-I- > > remember-them-Tammy-Wynette-wasn't-it kind of people, who will want > > the singles, the novelty tracks, the laughs, anything to do with > > the scams, but not 15 year old remixes that means nothing to anyone > > under 30 and already a KLF obsessive. > > > > Just a thought. > > > > John > > > > > >> Message Received: Feb 03 2007, 01:42 AM > >> From: TheMgnt(a)aol.com > >> To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > >> Cc: > >> Subject: Re: [KLF] F_O_C_U_S > >> > >>> their favourite tracks for inclusion, which are getting pretty > >>> obscure > >> again (Razormaid mix? surely not...) > >> > >> Usually no, but I /think/ the person was talking about the > >> Gridlock'd mix of > >> LTTT which is perhaps the best unofficial mix of LTTT there is. > >> And the > >> best DJ service mix that I'm aware of. > >> > >>> Finally, unless i got my wires crossed, whoever uploaded that zipped > >> compilation said they had made > >>> custom versions of the WTIL evil edit and Fuck the Millennium, > >>> but only > >> the 'original' versions were > >>> present? Not that the evil edit should go on the CD IMO, though > >>> i am > >> obviously a fan, but that's something > >>> else for the wiki =) > >> > >> That'd be me (i think). (i was just about to clarify this and > >> went to the > >> wiki to check the tracklist and I see it's not correct. I didn't > >> post that > >> text, but I did post the compilation's zip file.) > >> > >> I did /not/ modify Evil Edit at all. It's not part of my > >> original track > >> list, but I included it in the zip since I suggested as a > >> replacement for > >> WTIL:Power 7" > >> > >> My own edited/modified tracks are: Whitney 7" (as there isn't > >> one), Mad Ru > >> 7" (edited from the 12" for sound quality. very minor > >> differences in effects > >> during the last 30s when compared to the original edit), > >> WTIL:Trancentral > >> (added on the extended ending from the US 12" for personal > >> taste), FTM (dubbed > >> in the "a-ha-ha KLF!" over the break because I like that bit in > >> the Different > >> Project mixes) > >> > >> I will add this to the wiki page. > >> > >> -paul > >> > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > KLF mailing list > > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > > >

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Re: [KLF] eBay watch
by John Milne 03 Feb '07

03 Feb '07

People are allowed to change allegiances, and I'm sure there are many old KLF fans around who many years ago sold theirs JAMSCD4s or Love Trance sleeve/labels combos, and are now quite happy with their Coldplay CDs bought from Adsa for £7.99 in the sale. A sign of getting old? Or just free choice? Anyway, another sign of getting old is noticing the fluctuations in Ebay prices? Is it just me, or are the seller's rare items going for (generally) about £30 less than would previously have been the case? > Message Received: Feb 02 2007, 11:53 PM > From: "Simon Glass" <tygerbc(a)yahoo.com> > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Subject: Re: [KLF] eBay watch > > > in fairness looking at this seller's feedback he has recently sold some veeeery rare KLF items (anyone here?) so chances are this is legit. whatever the bootleg/fake/real ongoing saga with Love Trance, that sleeve and labels look so nice...*sigh* > > seems like he was someone 'on the inside' or some uber fan like pete robinson > > however i know i shouldn't delve into ebay feedback but he seems to be selling this stuff in favour of buying madonna picture discs mostly from her bland early 90s period....hmmmm > > much as i love madonna, that is still so wrong...=( > > tbc. > > Simon Glass <tygerbc(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > Finally: > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KLF-WHAT-TIME-IS-LOVE-ACID-MIX-KLF-92-PROMO-3_W0QQite… > > I think we pretty much established 92promo2 and 92promo3 were bootlegged at some stage (i have strong memories but alas no evidence of seeing the two for i think 12 and 20 quid or thereabouts in a record collector ad, possibly sister ray, in the mid-to-late 90s and possible bootlegs have been discussed here fairly recently) but this is still pretty damn rare in whatever form > > (open bracket) tbc. (closed bracket) > > --------------------------------- > Never Miss an Email > Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started!_______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com > > > --------------------------------- > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started.

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Re: The Magnficent (was Re: [KLF] (no subject))
by John Milne 03 Feb '07

03 Feb '07

The blonde is actually Jayne Casey, who in 1976 was a teenaged hairdresser in Liverpool. She was spotted by Ken Campbell to join his Science Fiction Theatre, and through their production of "Illuminatus!" met Bill Drummond. Together (with Ian Broudie, Budgie, etc etc) they formed Big in Japan in 1977 - she was their lead singer. She's still very active in the Liverpool arts scene, and there's tons of stuff about her on Google. For more info on the recording of "The Magnificent" (and the entire history of B92) check out the book "This Is Serbia Calling: Rock 'n' Roll Radio and Belgrade's Underground Resistance" by Matthew Collin. I think it's subsequently be re-issued as "Guerilla", but this may be a different book. Collin also wrote "Altered State", which included a couple of paragraphs' description of the KLF's gig at Chipping Norton in October 1989. > Message Received: Feb 02 2007, 10:43 PM > From: "Elliott" <blindedbythedarkness(a)ntlworld.com> > To: "All bound for Mu-Mu Land." <klf(a)mailman.xmission.com> > Cc: > Subject: Re: The Magnficent (was Re: [KLF] (no subject)) > > There are lies and denials and then there's the KLF > It was Jimmy and Bill delivering the DAT to Steve Lamacq shown at the end of the Burn a million quid documentary. Jimmy said "we need to make sure there is no mention of either of our names, for legal reasons because we split up our partnership" then Bill says "for tax reasons" then the blonde says "dont be pulled into their lies, you just tell everyone its by the KLF" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: TheMgnt(a)aol.com > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 7:47 PM > Subject: The Magnficent (was Re: [KLF] (no subject)) > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > nice info. one thing that confused me a little though is why bill denied any involvement/responsibility for the > > track when i'm sure there was a tv special about the making of the album whiich showed B&J delivering it > > to the DJ Steve Lamacq and watching his reactions as he played it...perhaps it was only Jimmy though? > > I personally don't recall any interviews where Bill denied involvement. From what I recall during the week it was being recorded we knew B&J were involved and by the time it came out we knew which track it was. I recall buying it the first day it was available in the US as an import. > > The only denial I am aware of by Bill was in the Omnibus doc where a fan asked if they were going to be making any new music. Bill said no, walked into the hotel room and asked Jimmy to pull out the DAT for their new track (ie: The Magnficent) > > -paul > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > KLF mailing list > KLF(a)mailman.xmission.com > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/klf > Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com

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WTIL:Trancentral 12" vs edit
by TheMgnt＠aol.com 03 Feb '07

03 Feb '07

Just as an FYI - there was some discussion on swapping out the edit with the 5.30 12" version. I just loaded my tracklist and, with WTIL Evil Edit over Power mix the total comes out to 1.19.33. My bastardized edit of WTIL:Tran on the compilation comes to 4.12 so there's not quite enough space to fit the 12" should my disc comp be used for the project. Something would need to be dumped. -paul

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Getting lost again
by John Milne 03 Feb '07

03 Feb '07

Have we got a cut-off date for the tracklist, and a date for the release of the CD yet? And can I just say, I really, really think we're moving too far away from the "Singles/Best Of" original idea. What we're going to end up with is a "Lost Sounds" created by committee - which is going to please no one but a few geeks. And we're doing this CD (evangelise the music, if you will) for the consumers, not ourselves. And the consumers will be casual, non-KLF-fan, ooh-I-remember-them-Tammy-Wynette-wasn't-it kind of people, who will want the singles, the novelty tracks, the laughs, anything to do with the scams, but not 15 year old remixes that means nothing to anyone under 30 and already a KLF obsessive. Just a thought. John > Message Received: Feb 03 2007, 01:42 AM > From: TheMgnt(a)aol.com > To: klf(a)mailman.xmission.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [KLF] F_O_C_U_S > > > their favourite tracks for inclusion, which are getting pretty obscure > again (Razormaid mix? surely not...) > > Usually no, but I /think/ the person was talking about the Gridlock'd mix of > LTTT which is perhaps the best unofficial mix of LTTT there is. And the > best DJ service mix that I'm aware of. > > > Finally, unless i got my wires crossed, whoever uploaded that zipped > compilation said they had made > > custom versions of the WTIL evil edit and Fuck the Millennium, but only > the 'original' versions were > > present? Not that the evil edit should go on the CD IMO, though i am > obviously a fan, but that's something > > else for the wiki =) > > That'd be me (i think). (i was just about to clarify this and went to the > wiki to check the tracklist and I see it's not correct. I didn't post that > text, but I did post the compilation's zip file.) > > I did /not/ modify Evil Edit at all. It's not part of my original track > list, but I included it in the zip since I suggested as a replacement for > WTIL:Power 7" > > My own edited/modified tracks are: Whitney 7" (as there isn't one), Mad Ru > 7" (edited from the 12" for sound quality. very minor differences in effects > during the last 30s when compared to the original edit), WTIL:Trancentral > (added on the extended ending from the US 12" for personal taste), FTM (dubbed > in the "a-ha-ha KLF!" over the break because I like that bit in the Different > Project mixes) > > I will add this to the wiki page. > > -paul >

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Re: what time is love - Truckstop JAMS
by Our Webstuff 03 Feb '07

03 Feb '07

the "xylophone" part you are talking about is a kraftwerk sample, if I'm not mistaken I agree that it needs the full intro - I included it on the version I made for the Truckstop JAMS compilation (along with a "last train" version that includes bits from almost every mix of the song as its intro but remains basically faithful to the "live from the lost continent" version) both on the wiki (http://klf.johnl.org/wiki/) On Feb 2, 2007, at 3:02 PM, Simon Glass <tygerbc(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > ....i would agree that the slightly simple break is a little > unnecessary but otherwise this is a great example of a track that > wasn't too long in the first place then was chopped down by > removing a bar here and a bar there, making the resultant radio > edit sound a little rushed. also i happen to like the sort of > rising xylophone effect in some parts which rises, then rises > halfway before becoming a scratch (perhaps one or two people know > the sound i mean) which is more obvious in the full mix.... >

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Re: [KLF] Focus
by TheMgnt＠aol.com 03 Feb '07

03 Feb '07

> to me the full MC5 intro is key because This just reminded me that on my version of WTIL:Trancentral in addition to adding the extended fade from the US 12", I swapped in the full "motherfuckers" version as well. -paul

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