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Re: [Fractint] A request to ATI Radeon VE display adapter users reFractint.
by nick.grasso＠nasrecruitment.com 20 Jul '06

20 Jul '06

Regarding the issue of running Fractint on Windows XP, Microsoft recently annouced that Virtual PC is now free. If you cannot get Fractint to run directly on XP, it WILL work on Virtual PC. You can download it here: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/virtualpc/default.mspx It is really quite a slick program. Once you have it set up you, you just click on an icon on your desktop and it opens up a DOS window (and automatically runs Fractint if you put it in the Autoexec.bat). The only problem is that it is much slower than running from native DOS. But slow is better than nothing. Actually, I am still running the older version by Connectix before Microsoft bought them. I think the latest version is a bit faster. Now that it is free, I will download the latest version and let you all know how it goes. Nick

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Re: [Fractint] A request to ATI Radeon VE display adapter users reFractint.
by nick.grasso＠nasrecruitment.com 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

Paul N. Lee wrote, regarding Microsoft Virtual PC: >Of course, this is for those that do not have the Home Edition of >Windows-XP. The Microsoft Virtual PC 2004 Service Pack 1 basically only >runs on the following systems: > ? Windows 2000 Professional SP4 > ? Windows XP Professional or later > ? Windows XP Tablet PC Edition or later. Yes, I noticed this also. However, somebody on their newsgroup says that it works fine on XP Home, it just isn't officially supported. By the way, there is lots of useful info on the Virtual PC Newsgroup. Just click the link on Microsoft's Virtual PC home page. Nick

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Re: [Fractint] A request to ATI Radeon VE display adapterusersreFractint.
by nick.grasso＠nasrecruitment.com 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

Hi John, OK, I just downloaded Virtual PC and took a quick look at the docs. First of all, the old Connectix and Microsoft Virtual PC came with a pre-installed DOS virtual machine. I see that Microsoft has yanked that from the latest version. As somebody else said, you can make a bootable DOS CD - it doesn't have to be a floppy. Also, you don't need to boot your PC with it, you just 'boot' the virtual machine with the floppy or CD in the drive. 'Booting' the vm just means clicking an icon. However, there is another complication. Virtual PC does still include what is called 'Virtual Machine Additions for MS-DOS'. You install this after you create your DOS virtual machine. It allows you to do lots of useful things, such as share the disk drive on the host PC, etc. Your virtual DOS will be much less useful without it. But note the 'MS-'. These might not work with non-MS versions of DOS. I don't understand why they yanked the pre-installed DOS. Do they expect you to buy a copy of MS-DOS 6.22? Is it still for sale?? Why does it seem that everything Microsoft touches, they make worse? Anyway, I'll sort this all out and let you know. Regarding your second question, yes, DOS runs in a sort-of virtual machine in XP. However, Virtual PC goes much farther. Virtual PC's vm is much more isolated from the guest PC. For example, if you are running a DOS program in XP and it tries to directly access the video card, XP will display an error and shut down the DOS program. VPC however will intercept the call and handle it gracefully. I've heard that many versions of Linux run in Virtual PC, although Microsoft doesn't officially support them. Nick Original message: --------------------- Excuse me butting in! I have downloaded and installed Virtual PC, but have a major problem. You see my computer does not have a floppy drive. Therefore I can't load a boot-up DOS into the Virtual disk which I created. I'm reluctant to change the boot order in my BIOS, to get a CD or the Virtual PC to boot the computer. (And that presumes I could get a bootable DOS onto a CD... it's on floppies.), I've been thinking, too, that "isn't that what happens in XP, DOS runs in a virtual machine"? If so, where's the advantage into trying to get DOS and Fractint into Virtual PC? Linux? Maybe, but so far I have not found sufficient information regarding Virtual PC to allow me to install and run it. Could be that the thing is obvious to more computer-savvy people than I. Let us know if you suceed. I'm holding my breath. :-)

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Re: Paul N. Lee PARZ
by jackoftradez＠comcast.net 19 Jul '06

19 Jul '06

Why render a static image when you can see a viddie: http://www.fractal-animation.net/vid/st.zip . Does the Middle East SUCK or what !?

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Re: Paul N. Lee PARZ
by jackoftradez＠comcast.net 18 Jul '06

18 Jul '06

Interesting pics Paul, those really are holes - they don't resolve into anything when you zoom in or up the iter count. Except #2, if you zoom into the center those barely visible spots off center resolve into intricate filaments, almost like a Cantor Set. And you can zoom further in to see more holes and things. I may do a zoom animation with this ...

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Insight into visualizing extra spatial dimensions
by Hal Lane 16 Jul '06

16 Jul '06

#################################################### The NOVA TV program, The Elegant Universe, has a web page that attempts to give insight into visualizing extra spatial dimensions: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/dimensions.html The TV program airs on PBS July 11th, 18th and 25th. They also have a Flash demo about the math of higher dimensions: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/math-flash.html - Hal Lane ######################### # hallane(a)earthlink.net # ######################### #################################################### -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.1/389 - Release Date: 7/14/06

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Re: [Fractint] A request to ATI Radeon VE display adapterusers reFractint.
by nick.grasso＠nasrecruitment.com 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

John Wilson wrote: >Looks interesting... I'm also checking it out. Couple of possible >problems, though. a) all my legacy software is on floppies, and I >don't presently have a floppy drive! Before I got my latest PC, I knew it wouldn't have a 5.25 inch floppy. So I went through all my 5.25 floppies that I wanted to keep and made images of them using WinImage before I trashed the old PC and hooked up the new. I am currently doing the same thing with my 3.5 floppies because the days of the floppy drive are obviously numbered. I'm sure you can find a friend that still has a 3.5 and do something similar. > b) The Evaluation Guide tells me ; >"Virtual machines also don't see the PC's hardware video card as a native >device, so users can't install their own video card drivers. Nor are SCSI >devices supported in a virtual machine". This video card business might >deny the operation of Fractint? (In a native virtual DOS installation)? >But you have tried this in the Connectix version? This is exactly why is DOES work! The DOS program THINKS it has direct access to an S3 card because that is what Virtual PC emulates. It doesn't matter whether you have an ATI card, an nVidia card, or anything else. Any software running in Virtual PC will think you have an S3 card. What they are saying above is that you cannot try to install drivers for your ATI or nVidia within your Virtual machine. Also, it does work with SCSI hard drives. However, there is a lot of hardware that it doesn't recognize, e.g., SCSI scanners, certain USB devices, etc. Yes, I have tried all of this on my Connectix version. The only thing I haven't figured out yet is how to get 1600x1200 in Fractint. All modes up to 1280x1024 work using SF5, SF6, etc. Nick

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Re: [John] ZoneAlarm does not use a threat list.
by John Wilson 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

> ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hal Lane" <hallane(a)earthlink.net> > To: "Philofractal" <philofractal(a)lists.fractalus.com>; "Fractint_msg" > <fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com>; <juanw(a)telus.net> > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 1:57 AM > Subject: [John] ZoneAlarm does not use a threat list. > > >> Hi John, >> Your statement: > >> indicates that you have made an incorrect assumption >> about how ZoneAlarm works. You are completely incorrect. However, we are off-topic discussing this in this group, so I've e-mailed you directly. I don't want to add to your list of illegalities. John W.

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[John] ZoneAlarm does not use a threat list.
by Hal Lane 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

Hi John, Your statement: >...placing any faith in out-of-date firewalls is >quite a dangerous trick. >You would rely on threat data weeks, or >even months, old indicates that you have made an incorrect assumption about how ZoneAlarm works. ZoneAlarm does *not* use a threat list. It disallows *all* programs access to the internet unless you tell ZoneAlarm it is OK for a particular program to do so. You build this list of programs that are allowed to access the internet *once* (in a very convenient way -- by inserting a check in a box when it first tries to access the internet) and add to the list only when you install a new program on your machine. You can edit the list of allowed and disallowed programs at any time. Please also see my recent post to [Peter] on [Fractint] and [Philofractal] for further details about how ZoneAlarm works. I hope this helps your understanding of ZoneAlarm. - Hal Lane ######################### # hallane(a)earthlink.net # ######################### --------------------------------------------------- >Message: 9 >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:26:07 -0700 >From: "John Wilson" <juanw(a)telus.net> >Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: Mark and WinDoZe 98 >To: "Fractint and General Fractals Discussion" > <fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com> >Message-ID: <011b01c6a6f5$43129f10$dc44facd@JohnW> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Seems to me that placing any faith in out-of-date firewalls is >quite a dangerous trick. You would rely on threat data weeks, or >even months, old? You could lose friends that way! You can at >least discover if you are in trouble by freqquently using an >on-line scan of your machine such as ... > >www.auditmypc.com/ > >https://grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 > >www.dslreports.com/scan > >John W. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: RENRAD1(a)aol.com > To: fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com > Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 7:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: Mark and WinDoZe 98 > > > In a message dated 7/13/06 6:46:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, >Paul.N.Lee(a)Worldnet.att.net writes: > if you can find it somewhere, this might be a solution for a > while. At least until you can finally upgrade. > Thanks very much, Paul, I'll go 'mining for legacies' and see if >the version is around. > > Cheers! > peter S. >

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[Peter] I have a copy of ZoneAlarm 6.1.744.001 that I am running on Win98SE.
by Hal Lane 14 Jul '06

14 Jul '06

######################################################### >> Can anyone recommend a way to see IF >> a win98 se machine is sending out junk >> at the behest of someone else? ...... (See previous email at the bottom of this email.) Peter, If you are not able to locate and stop the offending program directly, ZoneAlarm is a good way to stop offending programs from accessing the internet. It will also list each program in a pop-up message window at the time it first tries to access the internet after ZoneAlarm's installation. The first time after you install ZoneAlarm that each program on your machine tries to access the internet it asks you if it is OK for that program to do so. Each time you answer Yes or No and "Remember this Answer" ZoneAlarm builds a table of programs that are allowed to access the internet and which programs are not allowed to access the internet. You can edit this table at any time. Under ZoneAlarm's "Program Control" > "Program" tab, a single left click on the red "X" next to a program in ZoneAlarm's list of programs allows you to change the program's internet access from "Block" to "Allow" (or vice versa). So, you say Yes for your browser, email and similar obvious programs. It is pretty clear when *you* run a program (for the first time after ZoneAlarm was installed) and you immediately get a pop up message from ZoneAlarm asking if this program can access the internet, that *you* were the person who ran the program, so it is OK to say Yes in this situation. You can also usually identify the program by the name of the executable that ZoneAlarm lists. I would recommend saying No to any programs that you do not recognize or that just ran at a random time. You can always enable them later if you goof and, say, prevent Outlook Express from getting your email. If ZoneAlarm does identify a program that is sending out junk, you can do a search for instructions on how to remove the offending program using Google or another search engine. >The last updated version of ZoneAlarm that supported >the Windows-98 system will still work. I believe >that version is 6.1.744.001. I have a copy of ZoneAlarm 6.1.744.001 that I am running on Win98SE if anyone needs a copy. It is just over 10MB -- which prevents my ISP (Earthlink) from being willing to let me email it. My free web site only allows a total size of 10MB so I can't upload it to there... Hmmm. Does anyone have any ideas how I can get a copy of ZoneAlarm to Peter? <---<< - Hal Lane ######################### # hallane(a)earthlink.net # ######################### >------------------------------------------------- >Message: 3 >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:39:39 -0500 >From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee(a)Worldnet.att.net> >Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: Mark and WinDoZe 98 >To: fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com >Message-ID: <44B6F5DB.48E7(a)Worldnet.att.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >RENRAD1(a)aol.com wrote: >> >> Can anyone recommend a way to see IF >> a win98 se machine is sending out junk >> at the behest of someone else? ...... >> I'm using avg's free antivirus, and >> it's filter, trojan hunter and it's >> 'guard'... and spybot, and run Advanced >> System optimizer.... >> > >Definitely download a firewall, such as ZoneAlarm or Kerio. I have been >using ZoneAlram for many years now with much success. > >Besides the programs you list above, you can also get Lavasoft's >Ad-Aware for free to do some checking. You can never have enough >protection for your system. There is no one product that is capable of >finding and trapping everything, so best to have several and use them >regularly. > > >Sincerely, >P.N.L. >------------------------------------------------- >http://home.att.net/~Paul.N.Lee/PNL_Fractals.html >http://www.Nahee.com/Fractals/ > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 20:45:45 -0500 >From: "Paul N. Lee" <Paul.N.Lee(a)Worldnet.att.net> >Subject: Re: [Fractint] Re: Mark and WinDoZe 98 >To: fractint(a)mailman.xmission.com >Message-ID: <44B6F749.6F9B(a)Worldnet.att.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Lee H. Skinner wrote: >> >> Unfortunately, neither the Zone Alarm >> or Kerio firewalls will support >> Windows98 anymore. >> > >The last updated version of ZoneAlarm that supported the Windows-98 >system will still work. I believe that version is 6.1.744.001. > >So, Peter, if you can find it somewhere, this might be a solution for a >while. At least until you can finally upgrade. > > >Sincerely, >P.N.L. ######################################################### -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/06

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