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Re: Keiji Haino's racism
by Alan Kayser 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Frankso wrote: "On the subject of Haino's supposed racism, you would be surprised to find out just how many people outside of the USA feel that their culture has been invaded by the USA - just ask a random selection of (French) people in the streets of Paris, and you'll get opinions like this from more than 50% of them." This may be even more true in Asia, ie Japan and China. The changes in those two countries are monumental. My wife , who is from Shenyang in north China, and I last traveled there in 1999. The invasion of Western (American) "pop" culture is very real. My previous trip in 1993 was only a preview of what was to come. There is nothing more shocking than entering shops in remote areas of China, well off the tourist route, and coming face to face with a larger than lifesize Michael Jordan poster. One need not go far to locate a McD or Mickey Mouse. KFCs are everywhere, as are Pizza Hut, Jeeps, Ralph Lauren. Imperialism, code named "Joint Ventures," is spreading rapidly through films, TV, you name it. Walk across the street from the Beijing train station, not an easy task BTW, and you'll find a Starbuck's. Shanghai, always the most Western of Chinese cities, might now be mistaken for Manhattan. So, though I have not read the quoted article, I do understand the fear of disappearing traditions. Think about the immediate reaction, at least as it was translated by American broadcasting networks, of Aghans upon the downfall of the Taliban. They were now "free" to cut their hair Western style, watch TV, listen to music, go the movies. In other words, become consumers. The real invasion does not come via air strikes, tanks, etc. It comes in little packages with smiley faces and a request for "one large fries, please." Alan E Kayser _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: Keiji Haino's racism
by A 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

In answer to the original question, I very rarely let someone's ideology get in my way to enjoying his/her art. Separation between human and artist, etc. Case in point: Burzum and some more contemporary NS black metal acts. Burzum's earlier material was actually very beautiful, quite hypnotic. Such a shame that such great music was created by a worthless fuck. _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? InformaciÃ³n de Estados Unidos y AmÃ©rica Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. VisÃtanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com

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Fwd: i dont get... Blue Cecil Gtr Audio &c
by Efrén del Valle 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

Hi, > Re: Kind of Blue: so many have told me I must listen > and love, I have chosen > to > do neither. I confess, yesterday I heard one track > from KOB on a compilation. > I immediately fell asleep (which is different from > going to bed- some acclaim > this > disc as superb background for rutting). I'm glad to see that I'm not the only heretic here that dares to go against the untouchable "Kind of Blue". I've never been able to find the substance that makes that record an essential. I've also fallen asleep everytime I've tried to capture the essence. Add "Bitches Brew" into that category. I'm not questioning the importance of both records in the jazz world, though. (an importance they don't have for me)- > Steve Koenig > n.r. new air conditioner manual C'mon, Steve, you've been reading that manual for three days! It can't be that difficult! :-) Best, EfrÃ©n del Valle n.p: Sonic Youth "Murray Street" - can't stop playing this. _______________________________________________________________ Copa del Mundo de la FIFA 2002 El Ãºnico lugar de Internet con vÃdeos de los 64 partidos. Â¡ApÃºntante ya! en http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/es/

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Re: Things I just don't get
by Fastian＠aol.com 05 Jul '02

05 Jul '02

In a message dated 7/3/02 1:28:44 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dan.given(a)ualberta.ca writes: << > Ken Vandermark: I used to try to like Vandermark, bought a few of his early recordings and then gave up after the first Vandermark 5 album. Then a couple of years ago a friend gave me the newest, at the time, V5 disc (Burn the Incline, I think) and the DKV Wels/Chicago set. I kinda liked them, which inspired me to recently fork over the cash for the new DKV (Trigonometry). I shelved it without ever listening to the second disc. Hopefully I'm over the idea that I like Vandermark for good this time. Dan >> Wow! I've been waiting a couple of months for someone to talk about avant jazz created within the last 10 years and it finally winds up under the category of things we don't get. I appreciate your views but in this case I think differently. Vandermark for me would be in my top 3 favorites, along with Tim Berne and Michael Moore. His compositions and improv work for me is about as good as it gets. He also surrounds himself with others who also play at a very high level. The only cds he released that I found disappointing were the "No Such Thing" cd with Karayorgis and McBride or "Like Rays" w/ Joe Morris And Poppel. I think Vandermark and Morris both work better in a band setting than in Duos or ad hoc groupings. "Deep Telling"( DKV and Morris} I thought was brilliant and engaging. I would highly recommend the School Days band, NRG Ensemble, Vandermark 5, DKV, or just about anything else. Cheers, John Threadgould

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re:jeez
by Acousticlv＠aol.com 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

In a message dated 7/4/02 4:35:24 PM, zorn-list-request(a)mailman.xmission.com writes: << thank god (is this word allowed? or is the congress going to ban me from saying that...) >> hi darryl, only banned if you lead a chant in a publically funded space meant to indoctrinate youth... steve k, n.p. the fugs

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i dont get... Blue Cecil Gtr Audio &c
by Acousticlv＠aol.com 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

To: zorn <zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com> CC: Chris Selvig <selvig(a)sonic.net> Subject: Re: Things I just don't get ya, that's what i meant. they describe it a lot better than i can in their liner notes. the sound is similar to the stuff from Mapleshade. mark Hi Everyone.. Hoo boy... one of my private wormcans. To me, nearly all CIMPs sound disiccated and colorless, which is the inverse of the realistic vibrancy I find from Mapleshade. (I'm talking sound, not music.) I'm intrigued that Mark finds them similar. I won't start up a thead about audio systems.. :) To Remco and others: Re: Joe Morris: what i love about his work is not the sound of his instrument, but the notes he plays. I always feel he's not working on creating color but creating the right note. I like very few guitarists, Noel Akchote being one of them. Eisenbeil I've found excellent live, though his CDs leave me uninvolved. Re: Chadbourne... it's a matter of enjoying his persona or notm more than his (considerable) musical ability. there's so much out there, though, that you should always listen before buying. his solo dobro is one vast bore, his recent doug sahm tribute is fab if you love texmex music and here is his playing with real country musicians, and... see him live. Re: Cassandra W's voice: it moves me greatly, but irritates others. so it goes. Re: Cobra. As with all the game pieces, as well as other "aleatoric" pieces by cage, stockhausen and others, it's the players interaction more often than the piece which makes it work or not. Ive loved some cobras, been bored by others, and having seen one live at ps 122, i was more fascinated by the visual interplay than i cared for the music, but it was a great experience nonetheless. Re: Bad Poetry, Dear Skip, since I'm not a musician but a poet, I can only agree with you, with the rare exception. The Iojema (sp?) Thomas performance at the Vision festival (I'm going to listen to the CD this week) was strong on both. As for the why they do it, it's like the old joke about dogs: "because they can." I have a similar q: Why do so many jazzers have their bad singer friends sing badly on their otherwise fine discs rendering them unlistenable bad jazz discs? I must tread carefully here, as I have recorded with great musicians, but they have improvised about my own most wonderful :) work, rather than my spitting my spew on their amazing work. Re: Cecil's Poetry: Dear Chris. I actually do like Cecil's poetry but also have criticism of it. He has repetitive riffs, many phrases are pompously banal, but you wouldn't know it if you didnt get the obscure references in the first place, a problem inherent in his work. Re: Kind of Blue: so many have told me I must listen and love, I have chosen to do neither. I confess, yesterday I heard one track from KOB on a compilation. I immediately fell asleep (which is different from going to bed- some acclaim this disc as superb background for rutting). Re: Keiji Haino: I only read yr excerpt, not the full article, but what was there is quite true about how dietary changes have changed the physiques... but of many worldwide, not only Japanese. I'm curious to read the whole piece for context. Re: Steely Dan. A big bore. Some friends find in "Aja" a hiden gay lovve story, but to me, its a bore. I won't lose Rickey's #, tho (Thanks, Tom Robinson) Love to aLL Steve Koenig n.p. Anthony Braxton/Scott Rosenberg Duo n.r. new air conditioner manual

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Artist sued over silence
by Samerivertwice＠aol.com 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

from http://www.independent.co.uk/story.jsp?story=307449 Big noises at odds over the sound of silence By David Lister Media and Culture Editor 21 June 2002 'The Sound of Silence' may have prompted engaging harmonies from Simon and Garfunkel but a more literal appreciation of the absence of noise has prompted one of the more curious copyright disputes of modern times. Mike Batt, the man behind the Wombles and Vanessa Mae, has put a silent 60-second track on the album of his latest classical chart-topping protÃ©gÃ©s, the Planets. This has enraged representatives of the avant-garde, experimentalist composer John Cage, who died in 1992. The silence on his group's album clearly sounds uncannily like 4'33", the silence composed by Cage in his prime. Batt said last night: "I've received a letter on behalf of John Cage's music publishers. I was in hysterics when I read their letter. "As my mother said when I told her, 'which part of the silence are they claiming you nicked?'. They say they are claiming copyright on a piece of mine called 'One Minute's Silence' on the Planets' album, which I credit Batt/Cage just for a laugh. But my silence is original silence, not a quotation from his silence."

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Re: Reich
by Mikhail Abraham 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

What about New York Counterpoint? It has a different timbre (clarinet) from most Reich, each movement is 4 minutes average. I'm not pitching this because of any supposed resemblance to jazz (he says he listened to Benny Goodman while writing), but because I like Reich and this piece is short and sweet. Message: 3 From: Dgasque(a)aol.com Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2002 17:59:12 EDT Subject: Re: Steve Reich To: zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com In a message dated 6/30/02 2:45:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TagYrIt(a)aol.com writes: << In a message dated 6/30/2002 2:40:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, maurice(a)mac.com writes: > Oh, yeah--here's another disappointment: Steve Reich's _The Cave_, > which starts strong and then very quickly reveals itself as an > experiment that just doesn't work, but which he doggedly keeps > hammering into the ground. Couldn't this describe ANY Steve Reich album? Although I do have to admit, I like Different Trains a lot. >> I too admit this- Reich is downright tedious after the first few minutes to these ears too. _____________________________________________________________ May peace be the founding unity of all ideologies. May compassion reign in times of fear and anger. All peoples ought to prosper despite the power and greed of few. This can only be accomplished if we all work together and if everyone counts. _____________________________________________________________ Promote your group and strengthen ties to your members with email(a)yourgroup.org by Everyone.net http://www.everyone.net/?btn=tag

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Janice Giteck in RealAudio, Mappings play list for week beginning July 4, 2002
by Herb Levy 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

Hi y'all, This week on Mappings <http://www.antennaradio.com/mappings/show.htm>, you'll hear music by composer Janice Giteck. Recently I've had technical troubles that have made it difficult to get new programs online every week. Sorry for any inconvenience my difficulties may have caused any of you. I think I've solved this problem and expect to be changing my programs on a more frequent basis in the coming weeks. This week's show went online Thurday afternoon around 1:00 PM (-0400 GMT) and will remain online at the above URL for a week. Last week's program (featuring music by John Luther Adams, Kitty Brazleton, Arnold Dreyblatt, David Mahler, and Alvin Singleton) is still available in the Mappings archive (click on the link to last week's show on the page noted above), soon you will once again find play lists for the program since it began in March 1998. Hope you tune in to the program. Bests, Herb

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Re: Fwd: Japanese psych list
by Chris Selvig 04 Jul '02

04 Jul '02

From the noise.as Mailing Lists page: The second list is devoted to discussion of Japanese "psychedelic" music To subscribe to the mailinglist, send a message to the appropriate list with the word 'subscribe' in the Subject: field (clicking on the addresses below should open up a "subscribe" message ready to send). To: jpsyc-request(a)noise.as Subject: subscribe The J-psych list used to be quite active, though the Haino racism thread is about all that's happened lately. noise.as also has a really good history/overview of Japanese psychedelic music. At 02:58 PM 7/4/2002 -0400, you wrote: >>Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2002 10:03:14 -0700 >>To: MorMovies(a)aol.com, zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >>From: Chris Selvig <selvig(a)sonic.net> >>Subject: Re: Keiji's racism >> >>The interviewer, Alan Cummings, posted this response on the Japanese >>Psych list > >Hi Chris, > >Do you have any information about how to subscribe to this list. It >sounds fascinating. > >Best wishes, >Jason Gross > > > >Perfect Sound Forever >online music magazine >perfect-sound(a)furious.com >http://www.perfectsoundforever.com Chris Selvig

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