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Re: Great Jewish Music
by Eyal Hareuveni 16 Feb '03

16 Feb '03

That's how according Great Jewish Music: Sasha Argov CD was conceived, according to what Danny Zamir Told a music editor in the Voice of Music radio station here in Jerusalem. After Zamir's Satlah band covered on their 2nd CD, 'Exodus', a Hebrew song by M.Nardi, and dedicated their 3rd CD, 'Children of Israel', to Hebrew songs from the 1920-1940, Zamir's mother, who is a music teacher in Tel-Aviv, suggested that he'll record songs of Sash Argov. Zamir 'marketed' the idea to Zorn and you know the rest. It is ironic that Zamir and some of the artists on the Sasha Argov CD are trying to 'relocate' Israeli composers into the Klezmer tradition, while these composers cam to Israel from Eastern Europe, where the Klezmer music was popular, and tried to create new Israeli and Hebrew songs that will reflect the new Israeli experience and mot the Old World of Diaspora. Zamir, in fact, is neglecting their musical will and forces them back to a musical world which they abandoned. And one last thing about the GJM series. I never liked this term. Did Bacharach or Bolan think of them selves as Jewish Composers? Is there something Jewish in their music? It's seems more as a marketing trick. Beside, i still remember that Zorn/Tzadik wanted to include in that series a tribute to Dave Brubeck, and in the last minute found out that Brubeck is not Jewish, and released that CD on AVANT. Eyal Hareuveni hareuveni(a)hotmail.com P.S. I liked the 'Masada Guitars' cd. >From: Efrén del Valle <efrendv(a)yahoo.es> >To: zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com >Subject: Re: Great Jewish Music >Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 10:59:36 +0100 (CET) > >Hi, > > >But some of the arrangements are quite nice, > >especially the one > >of > >Erik Friedlander, Elysian Fields,Uri Caine/Ben > >Perowsky and Mark > >Feldman. > >I'd say that these artists Eyal mentioned are actually >the only interesting in the whole album. The Bolan >tribute wasn't that good for me and this one just left >me cold and didn't make me want to know Argov's music >at all, which seems to be one of the purposes of the >GJM series. I've been lowering my expectations with >Zorn lately, specially after this and Masada Guitars. > >All the best, > >Efrén del Valle >n.p: Tim Sparks "Neshamah" (Tzadik) > > > > >___________________________________________________ >Yahoo! Móviles >Personaliza tu móvil con tu logo y melodía favorito >en http://moviles.yahoo.es > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: the necks
by Arthur Gadney 16 Feb '03

16 Feb '03

Hello, >Likewise I stumbled across Hanging Gardens and loved it, can also recommend >Aether from 2001. Similarly its a single track which clocks in at around an >hour. Progress is equally unhurried and quite magnificent for this fact. >Would be interested to hear more concrete info on the overdub front. I seem >to recall a review claiming no overdubs had been used, the album being >recorded live in studio. Or maybe I dreamt that. Then they must at the very least use a lot of samples. Listen to the drums for example. They fade in and out and plays different things at the same time and so on. Cheers. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Re: Politics of No Politics
by MorMovies＠aol.com 16 Feb '03

16 Feb '03

In a message dated 2/14/03 10:20:58 PM, ayac(a)sannet.ne.jp writes: << on 14/2/03 22:36, MorMovies(a)aol.com at MorMovies(a)aol.com scribed: > In a message dated 2/14/03 7:58:43 AM, ayac(a)sannet.ne.jp writes: > > << Please, show me one other thing on the planet that composes and/or > > improvises music with intentional design; perhaps we should give it a miss? > > Can't be quite natural enough for us, perhaps. > >>> > Why isn't the creation of music natural for us? Do you have proof that > proves otherwise? Are you sure we are the only animals that improvise or > compose or design with sound? Quite obviously you miss the point. The democracy of nature argument as justification for tolerating, resignedly putting up with, war (especially at this time) does not hold water, nor for anything else for that matter. That is the point. >> That's not the point. The discussion and the peace movement are about nonviolence and non-confrontation for any reason. There is never any justification for war or violence for some people! I believe this generally goes against the truth of existence and reality on this planet. Many things we do are not natural practices of most species. Most species do not kill their own kind intentionally; >> ??? they do fight and squabble and sometimes the result is death >> only "sometimes"? but death is not the common or intended outcome; running away is sufficient. >> You are taking the discussion to fantasy land. Of, course it would be nice if that was true. However, I don't accept your idea of what's "natural" for most species, what goes on their minds nor do I subscribe to your interpretations on animal behavior. You don't have the answer and I don't have the answer. My original rant was about preaching a lie, the idea of "peace." I believe in balance, not peace. (I believe peace is a sick lie and the rest of the planet does not acknowledge it, in my opinion). Sometimes you run, sometimes you fight. What's your point? I didn't say I was for this specific war or indicated what wars I would or wouldn't support. I am against LIES and both sides of the argument are guilty of waging lies. Additionally no other species amasses armies and wages war >> Oh, really? I'd like to believe that. Do you have new scientific data to reveal to us? To go back to nature's way; now I will go out, find a nice stream to drink from, puddle water looks gloomy, see if I can catch myself a lizard or two - or something juicier - to eat, and a bush to sleep under, away from the rain; can I have clothes, its kind of cold and I am of the hairless sort body wise? >> You're right, we are so above that! Sounds so "primitive" and untidy. This statement makes you appear to me as elitist and prejudiced against third world/native people whose daily routine you've pretty accurately described? Does that make them less than human and not worthy of any respect?

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ROVA FM Broadcast
by Roberto Barahona 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

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FA: FMP, Incus, Moers, Po Torch SAJ vinyl
by Herb Levy 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

Hi gang, I'm getting to some of the rarer items that may be of interest to y'all: an FMP 10th Anniversary compilation of otherwise unreleased live performances and other rare and/or out of print albums including music by Derek Bailey, Han Bennink, Steve Beresford, Anthony Braxton, Willem Breuker, Gavin Bryars, John Cage, Anthony Davis, Fred Frith, Diamanda Galas, Globe Unity Orchestra, Gerry Hemingway, Paul Lovens, Paul Lytton, David Moss, Evan Parker, Alexander Schlippenbach, Morton Subotnick, Michel Waisvisz, Stefan Wolpe with more items going online in the coming weeks. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=hrebll If this link doesn't work, search ebay for seller <hrebll>. A lot of these auctions close late Sunday night/early Monday morning ebay time (PST, you know GMT -0800), so if you think you may be interested you might should check it out quickly. Thanks a lot.

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the necks
by Nudebruno＠aol.com 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

ref:I recently bought "Hanging Gardens" by The Necks and > I love it> So now I'm curious for their other albums? Which are recommended Likewise I stumbled across Hanging Gardens and loved it, can also recommend Aether from 2001. Similarly its a single track which clocks in at around an hour. Progress is equally unhurried and quite magnificent for this fact. Would be interested to hear more concrete info on the overdub front. I seem to recall a review claiming no overdubs had been used, the album being recorded live in studio. Or maybe I dreamt that. bruno

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OT - Merzbox for sale
by Terton Rinpoche 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

Sorry for the off topic post, but I've got a Merzbox that I'd like to sell. I'm entertaining all offers. Please email off list. Jaems "We are poor people! Why should we break our hearts and addle our brains with rumors about the lives of millioniares?" -- Kurt Vonnegut, "Deadeye Dick"

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Re: Great Jewish Music
by Kurt Gottschalk 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

oops - just wrote an exclusive on the necks for arthur. meant to send it to the list, and didn't save it. ah well. the necks rock. maybe he'll fwd. the argov isn't too interesting to me. nice moments, but much more samey than the previous gjms. i don't know the source material, which i did for the others, so that might have had an effect. kg np: dion mcgregor dreams again _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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Even More victo beans and corrections
by mwoodwor 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

OK - One new performing group added (#17) - which leaves 7 to go, although possibly 8, because #16 may not actually be playing - as some of the members will be playing with Cobra, but that might be it. Let's hear those other 7 or 8!! 1.Rene Lussier Orch - May 15 2.John Zorn Cobra - May 16 3. Mephista - May 16 4.John Zorn Electric Masada - May 17 5.K.K. Roll, Xavier Charles + Parasite - May 17 6.Block/Dutton/Makigami/Minton/Moss - May 17 7.Saitoh/Sawai/Kazuo/Doneda/Quan Ninh - May 17 8.F. Frith - Nouvel Ensemble Modern - May 18 9.William Parker/Guy/Leandre/Phillips - May 18 10. Rova - May 18 11.Pan Sonic + Peaches - May 18 12. Brotzmann/Parker - Double Trio - MAy 19 13. Melvins/Fantomas - May 19 14. Taku Sugimoto Guitar Quartet - NO date known yet/tentative 15. Ambarchi/Hecker duo - No date known yet 16. 2 X 2 (Samworth et al.) - NO date known yet/tentative 17. Annette Krebs/Andrea Neumann - No date known yet/tentative Mike

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Great Jewish Music
by Arthur Gadney 15 Feb '03

15 Feb '03

Hi! ... and what about "Sasha Argov: Great Jewish Music"? I'm surprised nobody has mentioned it at all. The lineup looks good, but perhaps a but unsurprising. Is it as varied as the earlier GJM discs? Ho! _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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