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Re: off topic - abdullah ibrahim
by Jonathan feldman 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

> >The one time I saw Ibrahim live (in 2000 at the Jazz Bakery) was a >beautiful, spiritual experience. One of the most memorable perforamances >i've ever seen. > I have to echo this sentiment. I saw him at the Regattabar in Boston -- not the most spiritual of venues -- but the performance was a real spiritual transformation for everyone listening. Two long sets where each piece morphed into the next through an African journey. Very humbling. Shalom Jonathan Feldman n.p. Masada LIJ _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963

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Re: Metal (was: RE:Tzadik/Maya Deren questions)
by Alfonso Vargas Gamio 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

If you're going to listen to Anaal Nathrakh, make sure you start with the song "Pandemonic Hyperblast", from their "Codex Necro" debut. When I first heard it earlier this year, I was jaded with black metal, after about 7 years of having a particular interest in that scene. That song made me think "this is definitely SOMETHING ELSE", they're definitely unparalleled in terms of sheer brutality. It's easily the most extreme song I've ever heard in the genre. Speaking of Mastodon, look Lethargy up. Lethargy was Brann Dailor's(Mastodon drummer) first band, from before he joined Today Is the Day. It's very technical, proficient grindcore. Definitely precursors to the current Dillinger Escape Plan/Botch style of music. AVG ----------------------- Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 09:23:18 +0100 From: francko.lamerikx(a)philips.com Subject: Metal (was: RE:Tzadik/Maya Deren questions) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? InformaciÃ³n de Estados Unidos y AmÃ©rica Latina, en Yahoo! Noticias. VisÃtanos en http://noticias.espanol.yahoo.com

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Fwd: Atlantic Center for the Arts - - MARCH 1 - 21, 2004
by Herb Levy 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

I just received this and thought that some of the "talented, emerging" (to quote from the call for proposals below) performer/composers on the list might be interested in spending three weeks in March working with John Zorn in Florida. FWIW, and I don't know how much interaction there is between people working in various disciplines at the Atlantic Center, Carolee Schneemann has done some extraordinary performance pieces too. Bests, Herb Reply-To: "Atlantic Center for the Arts" <29586FC6-A0A5-4914-818B-BDF5F78A31B3(a)news.datapex.net> From: "Atlantic Center for the Arts" <29586FC6-A0A5-4914-818B-BDF5F78A31B3(a)news.datapex.net> To: <herb(a)eskimo.com> Subject: Atlantic Center for the Arts - - MARCH 1 - 21, 2004 Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 13:25:15 -0500 Thread-Index: AcOuAU+491z9wF5fTRSZq/00wj8wxg== ATLANTIC CENTER FOR THE ARTS MARCH 1 - 21, 2004 (Application Deadline: December 1, 2003) CAROLEE SCHNEEMANN, visual artist MARK STRAND, poet JOHN ZORN, musician/composer Since 1982, Atlantic Center's residency program has provided artists from all artistic disciplines with spaces to live, work, and collaborate during three-week residencies. Located just four miles from the east coast beaches of central Florida, the pine and palmetto wooded environment contains award-winning studios that include a resource library, painting studio, sculpture studio, music studio, dance studio, black box theater, writer's studio, and digital computer lab. Each residency session includes three master artists of different disciplines. The master artists each personally select a group of associates - talented, emerging artists - through an application process administered by ACA. During the residency, artists participate in informal sessions with their group, collaborate on projects, and work independently on their own projects. The relaxed atmosphere and unstructured program provide considerable time for artistic regeneration and creation. Atlantic Center for the Arts provides housing (private room/bath with work desk), weekday meals (provided by ACA chef) and shared studio space. For more information on how to apply, please telephone (386) 427-6975 or (800) 393-6975 (domestic US only) or visit <http://www.atlanticcenterforthearts.org> www.atlanticcenterforthearts.org or email us at <mailto:program@atlanticcenterforthearts.org> program(a)atlanticcenterforthearts.org. If you no longer wish to receive email from Atlantic Center for the Arts please <http://datapex.net/AtlanticCenter/Remove.asp>click here -- Herb Levy P O Box 9369 Fort Worth, TX 76147 herb(a)eskimo.com

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Fw: zorn-list Digest, Vol 7, Issue 69
by lschwartz 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

----- Original Message ----- Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 17:53:03 -0500 From: "Matt S" <mbs808(a)hotmail.com> Subject: off topic - abdullah ibrahim as this list's members are properly the most knowledgeable around, I'd like recommendations on some of abdullah ibrahim's work. Thanks! =============================== Matt, I have a lot of his disks, and most of them are good, but the following are the ones I play most often : "Zimbabwe" "Water From and Ancient Well" "South Africa" "Yarona" The first of these is a mis of ensemble and solo performances from the early '80's that gives you both some intense, ecstatic playing and and some very contemplative playing. This was my introduction to Ibrahim and I can't think of a better on. "Water" is full of beautiful ensemble work, but it's less intense. "South Africa" is a lively live set from Montreux in the '80's with some great playing from Carlos Ward. "Yarona" is a very stately trio date from '95. I'm also very fond of "The Journey," a mid-70's set with a large ensemble of major avant garde players from the era. This does not have the same sound as the later or the earlier music, but an interesting and by turns hipnotic and noisy chapter in Ibrahim's career. I also think the recent "African Magic" is fantastic. Another trio date, but this one in more of South African groove than the more reserved feeling of "Yarona." Louis Schwartz

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Re: off topic - abdullah ibrahim
by Jeff Caltabiano 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

Ibrahim's one of my favorites. He's made a ton of albums, some of them having yet to make it to CD. Camden has recently reissued some of his 70s stuff, much of the notation sadly lacking in detail. A lot of this stuff includes altoist Kippie Koeketsi and tenorist Basil Coetzee, two great players that should be better known. Enja (and it's Tiptoe label) has been the major documenter of Ibrahim's work, including a sprinkling of his 70s albums, with the bulk of their releases covering Ibrahim's last 20 years. As many may know, Ibrahim spent most of his career in exile, during South Africa's apartheid-era. Nonetheless, a lot of his album/song titles have been dedicated to his homeland and there's a certain melancholia to much of his music. Sadly, his first band, the Jazz Epistles (whose legendary line-up included a young Hugh Masekela and Kippie Moeketsi) only recorded one album that is probably difficult to find, but well worth seeking out. Anyway, as for suggestions, I'd start off with any of the newly-reissued (in the US, at least) Camden albums, most of which are larger bands from the 70s. I haven't heard them all, so I can't recommend one in particular. There are also a number of trio albums from the 70s that are excellent. I'll recommend 'Banyana-The Children of Africa' (Enja), a 1976 recording with Cecil McBee and Roy Brooks. Ibrahim made a couple (that I know of) duo albums with bassist Johnny Dyani, who's also South African. Enja reissued a 25th anniversary edition of 'Echoes of Africa' (1979) that is really nice. I just bought 'The Journey,' originally issued on Chiaroscuro in the late 70s and very recently reissued on Downtown Sound. It was recorded live in New York in 1978 and has a great band including Don Cherry, Carlos Ward, Hamiet Bluiett, Johnny Dyani, Roy Brooks, and others. On first listen, a very worthy reissue. 'African Marketplace' (1980, Discovery) is with a 12-piece band and is one of my favorite of his albums. If there were one period to explore, it would be his 1980s albums with his Ekaya band--it's usually a 3 sax line-up, sometimes with trombone. 1986's Water From an Ancient Well (Enja/Tiptoe) is one of their best, as is The Mountain (n/d, Camden). The album titled just Ekaya is great, but good luck finding it (I picked my copy up on tape in Zimbabwe 7 years ago). Altoist Carlos Ward appears on most of these and is a wonderful interpreter of Ibrahim's music. The one time I saw Ibrahim live (in 2000 at the Jazz Bakery) was a beautiful, spiritual experience. One of the most memorable perforamances i've ever seen. jeff caltabiano hollywood, ca n.p. complete uk upsetter singles collection, vol. 3 (trojan) > From: "Matt S" <mbs808(a)hotmail.com> > > as this list's members are properly the most knowledgeable around, I'd like > recommendations on some of abdullah ibrahim's work.

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Tzadik/Maya Deren questions
by Maikel Aarts 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

Hi, just recieved the Ted Reichmann cd last week, so I haven't got much time to listen to it yet. But my first impression was that it is pretty moody stuff, well done but not really something totally new. All in all a worthy addition to the Jewish series. Maikel >Hi, >I was just wondering if anybody had had a chance to >listen to the following new Tzadik releases: Kayo Dot, >Chien-Yin-Chen, Muna Zul and Ted Reichmann. Any >comments?

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off topic - abdullah ibrahim
by Matt S 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

as this list's members are properly the most knowledgeable around, I'd like recommendations on some of abdullah ibrahim's work. Thanks! _________________________________________________________________ Frustrated with dial-up? Get high-speed for as low as $26.95. https://broadband.msn.com (Prices may vary by service area.)

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Erstwhile (RE: OTOMO and Gunter)
by Ryan William Blum 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

With the recent talk of Otomo activity, including collaborations with the incomparable Gunter Muller, I though it'd be fitting to share excitement about Erstwhile records and the work that Jon Abbey is doing in bringing together improvisers like those two and Keith Rowe, Toshimaru Nakamura, et al. There's a new 7 CD/DVD boxed set out documenting a festival in Tokyo from 2002 which is mindblowing. The recording of Otomo and GM is astonishing in the range of their sonic worlds and the way that territory unfolds over the performance. There's a beautifully clangy part in the middle which is documented on the DVD, so you can see Otomo bashing cymbals on his turntables and GM smacking contat mikes attached to metal sheets on anything available. That leads into this incredible thick foamy hum until the end. The Cosmos (Ami Yoshida and Sachiko M) performance contains more stillness than I've ever heard, and the DVD section is very nice, especailly for those of us (don't we all?) who want to see more female improvisers. They are masterful. Other Zornlisters opinions of these records? They've been of profound interest for me lately, and listening to this stuff, and the stuff that Toshimaru Nakamura makes on his solo cds and in collaborations on Erstwhile, has latey been bending my ears in funny, wonderful ways. Thanks for indulging off-topic. Ryan PS By the way, my radio station (WHRB.org) will be playing the entire Erstwhile catalog plus interviews with key artists like Otomo and Keith Rowe sometime during our Orgy period in the month of Jan. Also up this season: the Mark Dresser orgy.

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Pop innovators (was The Experimental Side of Burt Bacharach)
by Perfect Sound Forever 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

Good discussion here. I also wonder who's really doing innovative work in the pop world today. Radiohead and Outkast (Bjork too I suppose) definitely fit the bill but there should be more, shouldn't there? In the last 5-10 years, it seemed like it was mostly hip hop producers like Dr. Dre, Timbaland, Prince Paul and RZA who fit this bill. Back in the day, groups like the Beatles and the Beach Boys had some leeway to do this because they already topped the charts and had huge name recognition. They didn't start with Revolver or Pet Sounds but they were able to get there thanks in large part to the previous success that they enjoyed. Best, Jason

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uri caine, w&w
by Martin Schmitz-Ohrndorf 18 Nov '03

18 Nov '03

hi, i just received uri caines new w&w release with his interpretation of gustav mahler songs and to be honest I was really disappointed. i know the discussion about this topic in general has already been around but anyhow I really, really liked the first mahler disc urlicht. i still think it's absolutly ok to take "classic" material and transform it into something new. to my ears this worked fine on urlicht. the follow-up schuhmann disc had some interesting moments as well. with the next disc being interpretations of bach pieces the whole thing turned out to be a kind of series. this is still fine, why not draw material from the classic composers. the bach stuff also was a total mixture of genres and different ensembles, some worked fine others did not. but at this time I felt this stuff is somehow really overproduced and I started to miss the vibe. my assumption is that there is someone, maybe the guys from w&w, "producing" the music way to much. I found the mahler songs totally unfocused. A narrative speaker repeating "die Gedanken sind frei" over and over sounds terrible. The words are ok, the idea is ok but it all fells damned cold. Did anyone else listen to that disc(s)? Any thoughts? BTW, I listened to the broetzmann/drake duo yesterday and they where producing live energy, oh yeah. ;-) martin

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