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Re: Keiji Haino's racism
by Chris Selvig 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

I have yet to get my hands on the new Wire, so I haven't read the interview yet & maybe I should keep my mouth shut. But what fun would that be? Assuming he's really coming from the perspective of "advocacy of uniqueness," it's not really that far from finding boob jobs or salon tans unattractive. That said, if it's true that the average height of Japanese children has changed (presumably upward), it's more likely the result of dietary changes and improved health care, as is the case here in the US. If he's really wringing his hands over Western businessmen and troops intermarrying the Japanese out of existence, that's rather pathetic. Mr Cummings is on one or both of these lists & actually knows Haino, so perhaps he can enlighten us. Maybe I'm a wuss, but I've avoided Skrewdriver records for political reasons, and I find it hard to believe that anyone finds the church-burning shenanigans of some of the Scandinavian death-metal yobs cute. At 11:28 PM 7/3/2002 +0000, Arthur Gadney wrote: >Hello. > >Was anybody else quite shocked by Keiji Haino's racist remarks in the new >issue of the Wire? > >Here's an excerpt: "I think that there are few races in history whose >height and weight, whose physical characteristics have changed as much as >Japan's has over the past 30 years." and he'd like the Japanese people to >"wake up" to realise this "invasion" which is going on. As an example he >claims ridiciliously that the average height of Japanese children has >"changed by at least 20 centimers"!! > >The author Alan Cummings tries to apologise over this by saying that it's >not a defense of racial purity, but has to be seen "in the context" of >among other things Haino's "advocacy of uniqueness". How this is different >from racism I fail to see myself. > >Personally I thought it was quite harsh stuff, not to different from >wellknown nazi propaganda. But I still like Haino's music, so I guess >again it rases the old question where to draw the line. Would you buy CDs >with neo-nazi bands, if you liked their sweet melodies? > >Certainly a peculiar character, Keiji Haino is. > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Join the world's largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. >http://www.hotmail.com > > >############################################################# >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list <jpsyc(a)noise.as>. >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: <jpsyc-off(a)noise.as> >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to <jpsyc-digest(a)noise.as> >To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to <jpsyc-index(a)noise.as> >Send administrative queries to <jpsyc-request(a)noise.as> Chris Selvig

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Re: Things I just don't get
by mr.dave＠attbi.com 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

Absolutely true about Cobra. I've found the CDs unlistenable, but I saw a couple local performances a couple years ago and they were great fun. Naked City is kind of in the same category for me BTW. Years ago I bought a copy of the Nonesuch CD and hated it. Later Wayne Horvitz organized a local band to do some of the Torture Garden material one night at the late lamented OK Hotel ballroom. Inexplicably I decided to go, and had a fantastic time! I guess I had to see it live to appreciate how insanely difficult the music is to play. Also it was as much fun as anybody's roller coaster. Everyone had a ball. Now, the NC material sounds great to me, but I STILL can't listen to the Cobra CDs. NP: Brad Mehldau "Largo" (No flames! I get it at work.) Dave > > Joe Morris > > John Zorn's Cobra > > I gained an appreciation for both of these artists when I saw them live. > Cobra, in particular, has to be seen to be appreciated. I'd recommend a > mediocre live performance over a good recorded one.

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Re: Check out this band...!
by Dgasque＠aol.com 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

In a message dated Wed, 3 Jul 2002 4:20:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, river_of_dogs(a)yahoo.com writes: > > > Check out CURLEW! "Fabulous Drop" is a great > place to start featuring Kenny Wollesen on drums... > "Paradise" is another great album... > Check out _Live in Berlin_ too, for the always-amazing Pippin Barnett handling the skins and tins for the band. IIRC, it is among the $4 drill-hole offerings available @ Wayside. -- =dg=

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Check out this band...!
by Theo Klaase 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

Check out CURLEW! "Fabulous Drop" is a great place to start featuring Kenny Wollesen on drums... "Paradise" is another great album... If anyone knows of a band that sound simular to Curlew let me know, thanks in advance...! ===== -That which is Theo "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." www.fstylee.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Re: Things I just don't get
by Mark Saleski 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

>>2) Joe Morris: he may even fit in the group above. I'm not generally a >> guitar fan, but Morris is pretty low on the list. >Count me in also with Joe Morris. I have no idea what is the fuss with him. may it's a guitar thing. i play guitar and like Morris a lot. i think it's the angularity of the lines. i just love listening to that tangled mess of tones. same thing with Bruce Eisenbeil (CIMP) -- Mark Saleski - marks(a)foliage.com | http://www.foliage.com/~marks "Music melts all the separate parts of our bodies together" - Anais Nin

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Re: Things I just don't get
by Mark Saleski 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

ya, that's what i meant. they describe it a lot better than i can in their liner notes. the sound is similar to the stuff from Mapleshade. mark Chris Selvig wrote: > Shrink the signal path? Meaning what, they're doing two-channel > stereo recording w/ no mixing, a la 60s classical recordings? > > At 04:40 PM 7/3/2002 -0400, you wrote: > >>> The only titles I am even curious about are the Braxton albums, but >>> the CIMP >>> sound quality and my lack of interest in his recent output have kept me >>> away. >> >> >> ah, that's what i love about this list. diversity of opinion >> (sometimes). >> >> wow, i totally love the sound quality on CIMP recordings. they go out >> of there way to shrink the signal path and get nothing but the music. >> well to each his own. >> >> -- >> Mark Saleski - marks(a)foliage.com | http://www.foliage.com/~marks >> "Music melts all the separate parts of our bodies together" - Anais Nin >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> zorn-list mailing list >> zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >> To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage >> below >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list > > > Chris Selvig > -- Mark Saleski - marks(a)foliage.com | http://www.foliage.com/~marks "Music melts all the separate parts of our bodies together" - Anais Nin

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Re: Things I just don't get
by Ryan Novak 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

>So, now that the 'worst' category seems to be just >about exhausted, what >music is out there that, though it generally gets >favourable responses from >your friends and peers, from media that you trust, >etc., that you just don't >enjoy. Oh man, don't do this- we'll never hear the end of it. Too many people here love punching holes in popular artists, and the others love defending them. I'm probably going to get twenty digests this week- all full of crap. ----Ryan __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com

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Re: Things I just don't get
by Mark Saleski 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

>The only titles I am even curious about are the Braxton albums, but the CIMP >sound quality and my lack of interest in his recent output have kept me >away. ah, that's what i love about this list. diversity of opinion (sometimes). wow, i totally love the sound quality on CIMP recordings. they go out of there way to shrink the signal path and get nothing but the music. well to each his own. -- Mark Saleski - marks(a)foliage.com | http://www.foliage.com/~marks "Music melts all the separate parts of our bodies together" - Anais Nin

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Personality and Prog
by David Evans 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

Hi, First of all apologies for the tone of the last message. I concede that using a phrase like hitting rock bottom made me sound like a bit of a lead balloon. Oh the joys of electronic communication, if anyone can come up with a workable system for hedging in emails then theyd be doing us all a huge favour. :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) I do however have a couple of serious points Id like to make and would like to know what everyone thinks, and Im definitely not pointing any fingers, so bear with me. Steve Smith wrote:- But is it completely unwarranted to make such an assertion based on public behavior and statements made in the mass media? Or should we assume that they're "just playing rock star" in those contexts, but in real life they're sweethearts? Well my own view on this is probably out of step with most people but I dont think we should be in the least bit interested in the personalities of people who happen to be in the spotlight. As far as Im concerned whether a musician whose music I like is nice or unpleasant is no more or less important than whether the guy who fixes my car or the person who runs my local Indian take-away is a saint or a total bastard. They all provide me with a service and, even though those services are completely different from each other, it is on those that they should be judged and nothing else. I am also dubious of trying to gauge what someone is like in the flesh from the way they have been portrayed in print. I can vouch for this having not chosen my words carefully enough last time around. One slip like that and it would be easy for a journalist with an axe to grind to do a hatchet job. The worst album thread touched a couple of raw nerves on my part: a) Im finding increasingly that personalities dominate issues. Here in Britain we have regular bouts of discussion as to whether we should scrap the monarchy or not. The fact that most of our constitutional problems stem from a system which is so archaic it belongs in a museum seems to be of little interest to our media. Much so-called academic debate is also handbags at 20 paces. b) The received wisdom in the British music press is that Prog Rock was universally crap and was successfully killed off by Punk, as though it was some kind of cancerous growth. The trouble is its hard to argue for an alternative point of view without coming across as an apologist for the whole movement. Whilst I think Love Beach has one of the worst titles and covers of all time I would put it several notches above any boy/girl band in the worst album of all time contest. c) It may stem from my being a naïve academic (who doesnt live in the real world, as Im often told) but it just seems like such a waste of time, effort and the amazing technology that allows us to have this list in the first place just to tell a bunch of people who probably quite like musician X that you think hes boring. It hardly pushes the debate on. Anyway, profuse apologies and thoughts please. Dave "Results! Why man, I have gotten a lot of results. I know several thousand things that won't work." Thomas Edison. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Things I don't get
by Samerivertwice＠aol.com 03 Jul '02

03 Jul '02

1) Steely Dan 2) Why some jazzers feel the compulsion to set their terrible terrible poems to music. 3) Powerbook music Enlighten me, Tom In a message dated 7/3/2002 3:24:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, dan.given(a)ualberta.ca writes: > 1) the Maneri family: Joe and Mat both grate on my nerves, though I've tried > several times. I'll even expand that as far as many of the people they > play > with (such as Pandelis Karayorgis, Randy Peterson, etc...). > > I have to second this, I've really tried with Joe Maneri and even inquired on this list about it at one point. And for myself, I would add Fantomas (either one) and Mr. Bungle's Disco Volante. Dale. ______________________________________________________________________ Phil Spector: "I've been listening to a lot of Andrew Lloyd Webber lately, and enjoying it. Someday I hope to set his stuff to music."

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