June 2002 - zorn-list - mailman.xmission.com

Re: live shows rec. (NZC)
by Kurt Gottschalk 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

burkhard stangl and john butcher comprise 50% of polwechsel, the high point (4me) of this year's victo. i always enjoy butcher, new to stangl. >From: Ricardo Campillo <houseofklang(a)yahoo.es> >To: Zorn-list <zorn-list(a)lists.xmission.com> >Subject: live shows rec. (NZC) >Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2002 00:24:00 +0200 (CEST) > >Hi, this month in Barcelona there are a few probably >interesting live shows at the Fundació Miró , I'll go >to see Aki takase with Rudi mahall, and Peter Kowald, >but I don't know anything about other two shows: >Burkhard Stangl with Christof Kuzman , and John >Butcher with John Edwards. Someone recommends any of >this two shows? >Thanks in advance. >Regards for everyb. > >NP:Marc Ribot -Rootless Cosmopolitans. > >_______________________________________________________________ >Copa del Mundo de la FIFA 2002 >El único lugar de Internet con vídeos de los 64 partidos. >¡Apúntante ya! en http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/es/ > >_______________________________________________ >zorn-list mailing list >zorn-list(a)mailman.xmission.com >To UNSUBSCRIBE or Change Your Subscription Options, go to the webpage below >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/zorn-list _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

1 0

Re: Cecil Vs. the Stones (wa SY:murraystreet)
by Arthur Gadney 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

Hello. > > Well, depends, doesn't it. What if that Dave Douglas album was with Cibo > > Matto? > > >i think the avant-garde community is enough behind cibo matto that that >woudn't be much of a challenge. I'm happy to hear that, beacuse that means that the "avant" scene is not totally dead and defined. At least it means something totally different to you and me. I don't see most of the "avant" scene dancing to the happy bubblegum pop of Cibo Matto. >But a Krall or a Monheit -- someone to whom >the avant-garde community is dismissive and hateful -- and to really play >correct in the context would constitute "selling out" amongst a bunch of >people who judge these things. But didn't he already sell out then by playing with Pat Metheny? Oh wait, sorry, that was Ornette. Sorry, my argument is dead. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

2 1

Re: SY:murraystreet
by Arthur Gadney 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>didn't love it. if you want that kind of thing, I can name about a half >dozen records where it was really done right Five albums would get me started... _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

2 1

Re: SY:murraystreet/ brotzmann
by Ryan Novak 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>On the topix of Brotmann, I personally think he is >living 90% of his >reputation and I would not feel very sad if he >stopped >making records. I think you must hear any of the Chicago Tentet CDs before you make a statement like that- if you have, then fair enough, but I think you're way off. > Not >that all his stuff is bad, but when I listen to >"Nipples" for example, I >don't have any strong desire to rush out and >by "Noise >Of Wings". I'm a fan and I can't even remember what the hell Noise of Wings is. And Nipples was recorded over 30 years ago- you can hardly base his current output on that. Nipples isn't really that great anyway compared to a lot of his stuff. In fact it fits into the lazy (even though blaring) music for a lazy audience problem I was writing about before. I have a feeling this one sells more than many of his other albums and it's all about perception, too bad. But no one will review this album at this stage of the game and really give an honest criticism. ----Ryan Novak __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com

1 0

Ornette no Cecil
by Arthur Gadney 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

Oh wait, we *were* talking about Ornette and not Cecil, as the former subject line might have sugested. My argument still stands proud! ;-) _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

1 0

Re: SY:murraystreet
by Arthur Gadney 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>Dizzy Gillespie did his thing his whole life, why should it be different >for Evan Parker or Mick Jagger? Can't we just say Brotzmann is a great >free-jazz stylist and his style is popular? Hm, you make it sound like it's almost okay to start making boring crap after a while.. :-) On the topix of Brotmann, I personally think he is living 90% of his reputation and I would not feel very sad if he stopped making records. Not that all his stuff is bad, but when I listen to "Nipples" for example, I don't have any strong desire to rush out and by "Noise Of Wings". I think some of the old improv guys can still surprise, like Derek Bailey. He is one of the musicians I have must fun following these days. And Han Bennink. And my favorite Evan Parker CD is the one with Jah Wobble, which is certainly *very* different from anything else he has done. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

2 1

Re: Cecil Vs. the Stones (wa SY:murraystreet)
by Arthur Gadney 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

>(who thinks ornette colemen would issue more of a challenge to his audience >playing on a diana krall record than he would by playing with dave douglas) Well, depends, doesn't it. What if that Dave Douglas album was with Cibo Matto? _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

2 1

live shows rec. (NZC)
by Ricardo Campillo 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

Hi, this month in Barcelona there are a few probably interesting live shows at the FundaciÃ³ MirÃ³ , I'll go to see Aki takase with Rudi mahall, and Peter Kowald, but I don't know anything about other two shows: Burkhard Stangl with Christof Kuzman , and John Butcher with John Edwards. Someone recommends any of this two shows? Thanks in advance. Regards for everyb. NP:Marc Ribot -Rootless Cosmopolitans. _______________________________________________________________ Copa del Mundo de la FIFA 2002 El Ãºnico lugar de Internet con vÃdeos de los 64 partidos. Â¡ApÃºntante ya! en http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/fc/es/

2 1

Re: SY:murraystreet
by Kurt Gottschalk 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

And I prefer my > >> musicians be people whose music I like rather than people whose music I >used > >> to like but whose efforts I respect (Bill frisell, I'm talking to YOU). what do you think of the new one, 'the willies'? my fave in a while. > >> Also, I think calling people "Gods" is silly. I have friends who are skip, you have friends who are gods? _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

2 2

Re: SY:murraystreet
by Emmanouil Papagiannakis 28 Jun '02

28 Jun '02

I think the new SY record is pretty good. It is indeed rather song-based but still the SY sound is strongly present, and there is a decent amount of noise also. Especially "Karen revisited" is very very good. For starting on their discography, I would consider going back chronologically a good approach. However, it would take some time for one to get to SISTER and EVOL and that is a pitty! Therefore maybe starting from the new album, NYC ghosts and flowers and then move back to SISTER and EVOL is a good idea! Then there will be time to go through the rest. Not to forget the essential SYR series... Actually I had the chance to see them live last night. Last year I thought was the best of their shows that I had seen, so I was really looking forward to the new appearence. However, it didn't quite live up to my expectations. The set included a great deal of Murray street, which was quite fine with me, but they didnt really take off. Unfortunately, even though MS has been out 2 weeks already, the public had not done its homework. Therefore it remained rather cool and only woke up at the encores... Actually if I was SY I wouldnt come out on stage for an encore. It was strange to see Kim Gordon, a 35+ lady, jumping and dancing and all the kids underneath looking calmly at her... manolis

6 16