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IAO for real (a little OT)
by thesubtlebody 26 Nov '02

26 Nov '02

If I remember, Zorn's recentish album IAO is named after the Kabbalistic equivalent of the "number of the Beast", though I think I've missed that by a bit. This post, from somebody else on another mailing list, is just too close to the mark. May you live in interesting times! <<< Convicted felon John Poindexter has been put in charge of developing a system that will invade your life in a myriad of ways. http://www.darpa.mil/iao/index.htm The Total Information Awareness system uses data mining technology to track individual's purchases, location, email, and every other action you take that leaves an electronic paper trail. I don't know about you, but I'm not too comfortable having an Iran-Contra alumni and convicted felon heading up the creation of the panopticon with no congressional oversite, and no checks and balances of any kind. Not to mention the logo for the dept makes me feel like I fell asleep in the year 1985 and woke up in a comic book set in the year 2002. It's almost like they are trying to fullfill the crazed warnings of every conspiracy theorist who ever read _behold a pale horse_ with these freemasonry images and orwellian plans. Please give allof us who live in the real world a break, Poindexter. A while back, I wondered when people were going to begin waking up. I thought that maybe when we were neck deep in Civil War II, World War III, Vietnam II cubed, Watergate IV, George Orwell's 1984 in 2002, and 9/11 everyday then maybe people would finally snap out of it. >>> __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com

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Re: Beethoven recs
by Steve Smith 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

On Mon, 25 Nov 2002 21:34:01 +0100 Fritz Feger <mail(a)fritzfeger.de> wrote: > Profound recommendations by Steve Smith. I'd > add, though well damaging in a > budgetary sense, the DG complete violin sonatas > performed by Anne Sophie > Mutter and Lambert Orkis. At the same time > accurately Beethovenesque and > boldly personal. Enthusiastically seconded, though I won't go so far as to back Mutter's recordings of the concerto. The earlier one, made when she was in her teens,is well played but doesn't have very much personality; the second one, made this past May, is played even better, magnificently recorded and full of personality--unfortunately, in the form of fussy and labored quirks. In the sonatas, Mutter and Orkis can be enthusiastically recommended. I'm hearing pretty exceptional praise for the new set by Augustin Dumay and Maria Joao Pires on the same label (and less expensive!) but haven't been able to hear these just yet. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Philip Glass, Candyman (Orange Mountain)

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Re: Beethoven recs
by Fritz Feger 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Profound recommendations by Steve Smith. I'd add, though well damaging in a budgetary sense, the DG complete violin sonatas performed by Anne Sophie Mutter and Lambert Orkis. At the same time accurately Beethovenesque and boldly personal. But maybe the quartets and symponies should enjoy a higher priority. Fritz NP: Hans Eisler: The Hollywood Songbook. Matthias Goerne and Eric Schneider (DECCA) ############################################## Fritz Feger mail(a)fritzfeger.de www.fritzfeger.com ##############################################

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Re: Beethoven recs
by Steve Smith 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

On Sat, 23 Nov 2002 08:27:33 -0800 skip Heller <velaires(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > the van karajan cycle of the symphonies on dg > is great. No dispute here, just a distinction: Karajan did three complete cycles of the Beethoven symphonies, one for EMI and two for Deutsche Grammophon. Consensus suggests that the middle cycle, circa 1967, is the one to have, and that seems right to me. It's also quite inexpensive these days. Szell is another good, inexpensive choice for the symphonies, though his cycle emphasizes precision and structural clarity at the expense of the richer fantasy that can be had in certain of the symphonies, notably No. 6. If you have a chance, I'd strongly recommend you at least try to hear Roger Norrington's period-instruments set from the early '90s on EMI. Try the disc that pairs the First and Sixth symphonies (the first lithe, taut and playful; the sixth rich in impressionistic elements) and the disc with the Ninth Symphony. When I first heard Norrington's Ninth, I spent an entire week listening to *nothing* but that disc. It's hard to find a recording that better captures the sense of creation emerging from the void in the first bars, especially in the rougher hues and timbres that Beethoven would have expected. For the first time, I was finally able to understand just why Brahms was so terrified of writing a symphony, and why Wagner declared the Ninth "the end of the symphony." Other suggestions for great Beethoven: The Quartetto Italiano made an unbelievable cycle of the late string quartets for Philips in the late '60s that to my ears is still unbeaten. Today it can be had on two midprice double sets or, in Europe, a single midprice 3CD set. The sound is incredible, as well. Choices are broader for the middle quartets (the Razumovskys and the "Harp"). Right now the Italiano middle quartets are only available in a comprehensive box of the complete quartets, more than some people will want or need. But you can look reliably to the Juilliard or Budapest cycles. At full price, a new set by the Takacs Quartet is sweeping many awards this year and looks to be the beginning of a very promising cycle. The Violin Concerto is a vital piece, and there are many, many versions to choose from. I've got two versions: Jascha Heifetz's polished reading (he made two recordings, an early one with Toscanini available on Naxos paired with an incredible version of the Mendelssohn concerto, and a later one with Munch on RCA, paired with an especially concise and electric reading of the Brahms concerto... both are impressive and cheap) and Hilary Hahn's youthful, impetuous recent version on Sony. Artur Schnabel's seminal cycle of the piano sonatas is currently being reissued by Naxos at super-budget price. The remastering (from original 78rpm shellac pressings) is better than anything EMI ever achieved, and the price absolutely right. And yes, Schnabel fluffs a note here and there, but few pianists have ever brought such insight to this body of work. Finally, another "don't miss" is a budget-priced 2CD set of all of the "late" piano sonatas, including the imposing "Hammerklavier," performed by eminent Beethoven expert Charles Rosen on Columbia Odyssey. That should be about enough to get anyone started... without doing too much damage in a budgetary sense. Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Schubert, Piano Sonata in E, D.157 - Arcady Volodos (Sony)

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New DB CDRs
by David Keffer 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hey all: I had the opportunity over the weekend to listen to a couple of the new Derek Bailey cdrs, "Solo Guitar Series Number 1: In Church" and "Solo Guitar Series Number 2: South". They are beauties. South starts off with a 30-odd minute piece from Miami 1999 on electric guitar that epitomizes Bailey's melodious nature. If you wanted someone, who had no introduction to Bailey, to hear the "music" of Bailey, this is a perfect cd. As easy listening as DB gets. "In Church" is no less a pleasure. Perhaps, playing in churches puts DB in a reverent mood, but the playing is inspired and delightful. Can't go wrong with either of these. Now, I will have to pursue "Solo Guitar Series Number 3: Different Guitars", which was released November 18, I think. There is absolutely no difference in the quality of content between the proper cds released by Incus and the cdr line. There does seem to be a slight irregularity in the volume level on part of "South", but the content itself is exquisite. David K.

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Jewish Scale
by Lou Toole 25 Nov '02

25 Nov '02

Hello. I am trying to locate the Jewish Scale used in the Masada tunes. I am finding conflicting information on the internet about it. Does anyone have the actual scale? Thanks, Lou _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

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re: Freddie Hubbard's "sing me a song of songmy"
by Paul Escamilla 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Thanks to Mr. Ibanez for giving us the tip on such a cool album! I went over to Amazon.com and listened to a few clips, and it's definitely an interesting and eerie listening experience. You can also hear clips at CDNOW. I will have to get ahold of this album, as it sounds pretty "out there".

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Newbie Nerves
by Dave Howarth 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Hi P Message not too long at all. Just give us yr name. More lp reviews most welcome! ------------------ Origanal message...............Did you know Freddie Hubbard did a record with electroacoustic elements ? Has anyone heard it? i'd like to know other folk's oppinions on it. etc............. Best Dave H.

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Who's Watching The Watchmen?
by Dave Howarth 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Quoth W. Crump "I've looked forward to this for years, but I've also sort of dreaded it. It'll be like Dead fans shelling out for "Dick's Picks Vol. 4,672." (Right, DJH? I know you're sitting there in the control room, listening to every word I say...)" This is fairly amazing. Sorry to say for the last month I've not been reading the Z-list due to time pressure etc etc. I finally decide to change over from digest to individual mails and what do I read? As it happens I am watching you Will, but that's because we have next year's Victoriaville to sort out (any other Z-listers planning to go?) As per Unka Frank. The Aussie set isn't out here yet, G&S should be carrying it (they have a special licence for Zappa items like Spin do for your beloved Dicks Picks[buy DP 26 a killer set from April '69!!!] Pricewise the Zappa set is over Â£30 which is, pardon my Anglo Saxon, fucking disgusting, and G&S blame the Zappa family trust for this. I don't know I just read, but that's double a Dick's Picks set. Its a hard life if you don't weaken! Love Dave H. x (ps William, put that DOWN!!) (And don't try quoting Zappa on me or I shall injure you you fur trapper!)

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zorn-list - Arto Lindsay and Peter Scherer's pretty ugly
by Rafael Romero Ibáñez 24 Nov '02

24 Nov '02

Bought this summer Pretty Ugly, it's indeed an amazing album!!!! (i also love the first ambitious lovers' one, and also the second with zorn, but I prefer "envy") Can anyone recommend me things like pretty ugly, with these rythms, and synths providing excellent ambient soundscapes, ...? I'd also like to know good releases from this label, made to measure, I got this lindsay-scherer album and also "stranger than paradise score/resurrection of albert ayler" from John Lurie (probably one of his better albums?) by the way, Lurie rules :p --------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger Nueva versiÃ³n: Webcam, voz, y mucho mÃ¡s Â¡Gratis!

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