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by manuel fernandez 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Hello, i am Manuel From Argentina (That big and poor country in South America)And i like Zorn`s music a lot, but it is very difficult to me to get his music here or information. My english is not a big thing, so if anyone of you can write to me in spanish, please do it. Manuel _________________________________________________________________ Charla con tus amigos en lÃnea mediante MSN Messenger: http://messenger.microsoft.com/es

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looking for zornmates @ AOL
by Rob Allaert 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Zorn-agains, I'm looking for a few music trading soulmates who have an AOL or .Mac chat account. Please make yourself known through private mail. My primary interests are: Zorn (of course) Masada (and all involved) Pachora (and all involved) Peter Epstein Brad Mehldau Tom Waits David Sylvian ... thanks a lot, Rob np: beuysblock

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Re: Electric Masada Outburst
by Andreas Dietz 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Saudades plans a european Electric Masada tour next June/July. Hope there will be concerts in Germany. Andreas np: Liminal Lounge - Preset (Knit) >From: julian.hughes(a)examiner.co.uk > >Will we ever get to see for ourselves in the UK? _________________________________________________________________ MSN - More useful every day http://www.msn.de

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the eminem show
by those were the dayz 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

what i have to say about the new eminem cd i could do best by citating the King himself: "one for the money and two for the show" _________________________________________________________________ Surf voor nieuws, fileinformatie & entertainment naar MSN http://www.msn.nl/intmap/default.asp

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eminem
by SonataPathetique＠aol.com 14 Nov '02

14 Nov '02

Elvis has nothing on Eminem. Elvis didn't even write his own music or lyrics. Eminem will be around for a long time.

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Re: Electric Masada Outburst
by julian.hughes＠examiner.co.uk 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

So, there was actually some music played too! Fascinating though this discussion of performer/audience etiquette undoubtedly is, it'd be nice to hear more comment on what it's all supposed to be about. Anybody at the show got anything constructive to say? How does Electric Masada compare to the original quartet? Does Zorn duet with Ribot as effectively as he does with Dave Douglas? Will we ever get to see for ourselves in the UK? __________________ <It was truly a fabulous show by the way, <and I'm glad I went. It's not often you get to see Masada tunes performed with <the intensity of Naked City ... IMPORTANT NOTICE The information in this e-mail is confidential and should only be read by those persons to whom it is addressed and is not intended to be relied upon by any person without subsequent written confirmation of its contents. Furthermore, the content of this e-mail is the personal view of the sender and does not represent the advice, views or opinion of our company. Accordingly, our company disclaim all responsibility and accept no liability (including in negligence) for the consequences of any person acting, or refraining from acting, on such information prior to the receipt by those persons of subsequent written confirmation. In particular (but not by way of limitation) our company disclaims all responsibility and accepts no liability for any e-mails which are defamatory, offensive, racist or in any other way are in breach of any third partys rights, including breach of confidence, privacy or other rights. If you have received this e-mail message in error, please notify me immediately by telephone. Please also destroy and delete the message from your computer. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. Trinity Mirror plc is the holding company for the Trinity Mirror group of companies and is registered in England No. 82548, with its address at Kingsfield Court, Chester Business Park, Chester CH4 9RE.

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Re: eminem
by Nvinokur＠aol.com 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

In a message dated 11/13/02 2:11:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, ecstasymule(a)hotmail.com writes: << ortunately, with the britneychristinabackstreetnsync phenomena, we're getting past that focus and returning to the days, a la sinatra and doris day, of musical interpretation.. >> don't forget perry como

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Re: eminem
by RainDog138＠aol.com 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

ok - so i've been pegged as someone who doesn't listen to rappers just because i dont care for eminem? that's kinda assuming isn't it? if you want to talk about talented rappers - eminem is on the bottom of my list (its my opinion - i am entitled) but on the top would be - Brotha Lynch Hung. he (BLH) is without a doubt the most underated and extremely talented rapper in the genre's 20 something existance. and before you think i am scared of what eminem has to say you should check out brotha lynch - his lyrics make eminem seem like mary poppins and his flows and rhyme schemes make mr marshall mathers look...well mediocre at best. other notable rappers i enjoy - first degree the DE, sicx, bone thugs (can anyone deny the talent there?), the convicts, tallcan, zigg zagg, and the mighty eightball and MJG. but i guess like you implied - im just an uninformed idiot who doesn't listen to rap. while in fact what i may be is a semi-informed idiot who doesn't listen to Crap. to your pleasure - i will do my best to shut the hell up now. -mike

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Re: eminem
by Steve Smith 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

On Wed, 13 Nov 2002 17:09:21 -0600 graham stephenson <gpstephenson(a)wisc.edu> wrote: > You shouldn't be dissing one of the most > talented popular performers [snip] he deserves respect > for his talent and hard work. That's all he's > after anyway. Judas! Steve Smith ssmith36(a)sprynet.com NP - Morton Feldman, ...Out of "Last Pieces" - New York Phil/Bernstein (Sony) P.S. wink, wink...

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Re: eminem
by graham stephenson 13 Nov '02

13 Nov '02

> From: RainDog138(a)aol.com > Subject: Re: eminem > this eminem thing is arguable the most foolish thing i have ever read on this list. > eminem being credited for writing his own music is equally absurd. if anyone deserves the credit for his success it must be Dr. Dre. who actually creates (writes) all the music for that loser. all eminem does is come up with his typical 4th grade bull-shit lyrics and spit them out with the same nasally flow on top of dre's great production. > i'd rather listen to an elvis or beatles record of them passing gas (or how bout them sleeping and snoring real loud?) than listen to any of eminem's shit-ass vocals. > if you think that eminem has talent - you are the reason pop music went to shit in the first place. > i pray to god this is a joke and i am the punchline. > -mike > ps - if you wanna praise singer-songwriters, how about tom waits, nick cave, bruce springsteen, johnny cash, willie nelson, etc...? You shouldn't be dissing one of the most talented popular performers in a genre that you seem to only have second-hand experience with. If you had listened to a wide variety of rappers, you'd realize that Eminem's combination of rhythm, syntax, and rhyme structures are very accomplished. Not to mention that he's funny as hell, and a fascinatingly disturbing and telling pop culture phenomenon. He did almost all of the production on his latest album, including the amazingly catchy first single, "Without Me." Like South Park, I hated Eminem at first because he was obnoxious, un-PC and popular as all hell. But, like South Park, if you take him on his own terms and try to see what the fuss is really all about, you'll recognize his talent. Granted, it comes off as forced and self-important sometimes, but the line between fact and fiction is interestingly blurred, and if you want to listen to something that millions of other people enjoy (I'm talking to you, zorn-listers!), something that will keep your head in the real world, Eminem is a good pick. This would involve actually listening to his music. Listen to "The Eminem Show" from front to back (it reads like a book, albeit one that gets boring after the several-th listen) and then say that he spits the same flow on every track. It's obvious (to me) that he put effort into matching the type of flow (inflection, speed, pitch) with the lyrical subject matter. The production also has little elements that tie in to the lyrics. Again, Em is not my favorite musician, my favorite rapper (Aesop Rock gets my vote), or even my favorite "white" rapper. He may or may not be an asshole, or just a good actor (I'm talking about his musical persona, not the "8 Mile" movie- anyone seen it? Any good?), but he deserves respect for his talent and hard work. That's all he's after anyway. NP bob dylan "leopard-skin pill-box hat" from live 1966, royal albert hall concert

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