November 2005 - Yello - mailman.xmission.com

CD Universe Remasters
by Jon Kamm 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

Cd Universe did have the lowest price on the remasters at $9.99 hopefully most of you got yours. They just raised the price to $22.05 quite a jump. Later

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Copyrighted music/MP3's
by Jon Kamm 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

Jabberwoc, Wonderful post, very informative, and you did it very professionally. These are the kind of posts we need to see more of. I agree with all of it. It has been argued for years and will be for years to come. I think your post is a nice ending to this discussion. Lets talk Yello now. : ) Thank You, Jonathan

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Dieter on Dutch TV
by Jon Kamm 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

Correction form Jonas Sorry, I should have checked the quote I forwarded, there is no Sunday 17th! I checked the link and it is Sunday 13th, meaning tomorrow. /JW

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Elektro Pop tonight
by Jon Kamm 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

Don't forget! Yello Documentary on German TV Saturday, November 12 2005 German Public TV: 3sat Saturday nov 12th 22.30 Uhr The YELLO documentary by Anka Schmid YELLO – ELECTROPOP MADE IN SWITZERLAND

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Dieter on Dutch TV
by Jon Kamm 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

From Jonas Wårstad: Hi all! Richard Franken kindly sent me this info: "A dutch TV show will feature the Dutch writer Arnon Grunberg on Sunday November 17th. He is going to meet Dieter Meier. It might be interesting for at least the Dutch fans to watch. "Arnon Grunberg gaat op onderzoek uit. Hij reist onder meer naar Zwitserland, op dit moment het gelukkigste land ter wereld, waar hij kunstenaar H.R. Giger en zanger Dieter Meier (Yello) ontmoet. Behalve met Layard praat hij ook met Ruut Veenhoven, 'geluksprofessor' te Rotterdam. Ook tafeltennist Grunberg met Bettine Vriesekoop en danst hij met Valerie Valentine, want in zijn gedachten zit het geluk ook in het lichamelijke. "Please find more info at: http://www.vpro.nl/programma/ram/afleveringen/24496416/

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Whose Rights are being Digitally Managed?
by Jon Kamm 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

>DRM issue: >Sounds like the complaint when people get a speeding ticket and >complain that the cop was behind the billboard and thats not fair. Sounds like someone is really straining to draw an analogy. Fail. The point was made. >We all know that the copying, sharing thing is not legal... "We"? Speak for yourself there, sport. So you feel its legal. Thats not surprising. >... just buying a used CD off eBay can be looked at as stealing... Huh? I mean, really... WTH??!! I knew that would be beyond your comprehension. Let me explain: You can buy CDs used off eBay very cheap. Even new releases way below retail price. So the person selling them had to get them at below retail in order to make a profit. Now they are getting their money back + profit. Do you think they are sending little checks to the record companies and record producers? No. So one CD can be bought and sold by lets say 10 people the artist gets paid once when they should of gotten paid 10 times. >This recent Sony issue will probably fade away like other attempts have >untill a happy medium can come about that will make consumers, artists, >producers and everyone involved happy. Wow. You must be rich... being that you speak for, well, everyone. Huh? Oh...right only YOU want to be happy you could care less about others. >Which will not be anytime soon as I see it. I sure would like to have >a piece of the action of the guy the figures out a solution to all this. Heh. That's hilarious. I am going to always remember how you phrased that. Snicker. Snort. Guffaw. Howl. You don't think the guy who solves this problem will make a mint? If I were you I would be trying to come up with a solution. But thats not your style. You just complain. Nothing ever positive.

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DRM on Commercial Music CDs
by Jon Kamm 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

Well, OK no more OS comments. But it seems like the only way to get someone to talk on this list. DRM issue: Sounds like the complaint when people get a speeding ticket and complain that the cop was behind the billboard and thats not fair. Ahh....."what was the speed limit?" ...."55" ......"and how fast were you going?" ......."70" ........."Sounds fair to me!" We all know that the copying, sharing thing is not legal and everyone has done it in one form or another. Wether it be downloading off file sharing software P2P or torrents or copying a CD you bought and giving it to a friend or just buying a used CD off eBay can be looked at as stealing because none of that money gets back to the producers or artists or record companies. But that is not the issue here is it? I think people are just upset that Sony and others are putting programs on our computers without our consent. It has to be a very difficult task for the music producers to come up with some way of controlling their music and make everyone happy. This recent Sony issue will probably fade away like other attempts have untill a happy medium can come about that will make consumers, artists, producers and everyone involved happy. Which will not be anytime soon as I see it. I sure would like to have a piece of the action of the guy the figures out a solution to all this. As a collector and music enthusiast I have never found the whole issue more then a minor annoyance. In fact just getting the plastic wrap off a new CD is a bigger annoyance. Thats all, bye

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RE: [Yello] DRM on Commercial Music CDs
by Rory Filer 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

Well the guy sounds genuine to me. CBC isn't one to give airtime to cranks, although I've heard some cranks a couple of times in the last 30 years of listening to that program. I doubt this is a sendup. If you actually listen to what Mr. Russinovich is saying, it makes some technical sense. And who says computer geeks need to sound professional? I hang out with them all day long and he sounds just like them. So I don't doubt his techical credentials. As for whether it is a campaign to smear The Great, The One and Only, The Marvelous Sony, I doubt it too. If you don't believe me, go out and buy a music disk, install it on your friends PC and start searching. I wouldn't put it past a large corp. like Sony for one second to start snooping on their customers. They certainly have the opportunity - selling gazillions of CDs to unwary customers, for instance. And as for your (all of you out there) comments about Windows versus Mac versus Linux, etc. it wasn't my intention to restart this tiresome wankfest between the different camps. You like your MACs? PCs? Linux boxes? Who gives a shit anyway! Go sell it to your family members or someone else who actually listens to you. -----Original Message----- From: yello-bounces+rfiler=sierrawireless.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:yello-bounces+rfiler=sierrawireless.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Jon Kamm Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:29 AM To: yello(a)mailman.xmission.com Subject: [Yello] DRM on Commercial Music CDs I listen to a lot of computer talk shows on the radio and this one just sounds fake. Sorta like the fake talk show info-mercials. I am not saying that it's not true about the Sony CDs or others putting something on your computer. But this interview was weird. The guy gave his credentials as Windows-wiz or Computer Genius not very professional. Maybe this was just done to hurt Sony. Who knows. I sure miss my windeers machine. Interesting post thanks. _______________________________________________ Yello mailing list Yello(a)mailman.xmission.com http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/yello Report list abuse to list-abuse at studio-nibble.com

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DRM on Commercial Music CDs
by Jon Kamm 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

I listen to a lot of computer talk shows on the radio and this one just sounds fake. Sorta like the fake talk show info-mercials. I am not saying that it's not true about the Sony CDs or others putting something on your computer. But this interview was weird. The guy gave his credentials as Windows-wiz or Computer Genius not very professional. Maybe this was just done to hurt Sony. Who knows. I sure miss my windeers machine. Interesting post thanks.

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RE: [Yello] DRM on Commercial Music CDs
by Rory Filer 11 Nov '05

11 Nov '05

Hi Again, If anyone wants to listen to the interview, they can find it at: http://www.cbc.ca/insite/AS_IT_HAPPENS_TORONTO/2005/11/10.html When you get there, click on the link that says "Listen to Part 2 of As it Happens", then scroll to 7:45 from the beginning. The interviewee is Mark Russinovitch, the guy who found the software on his computer. Nuff said. /RF -----Original Message----- From: yello-bounces+rfiler=sierrawireless.com(a)mailman.xmission.com [mailto:yello-bounces+rfiler=sierrawireless.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rory Filer Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 7:53 PM To: The moon: beautiful. The sun: even more beautiful. Subject: [Yello] DRM on Commercial Music CDs Hi, I just heard on Canadian radio of a fellow in Austin Texas who bought a music CD (didn't say <snip>

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