November 2005 - Yello - mailman.xmission.com

Box Set available in USA
by Jon Kamm 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

http://idealcopy.american-data.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc? Screen=PROD&Product_Code=MU-YELLO-REMAS-01 available November 22nd through "The Ideal Copy" Import store. http:// www.idealcopy.com/ This is where I got my individual remasters they were very friendly and helpful. , Jonathan

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A shout out to Carlos
by Jon Kamm 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Just noticed something interesting. I was checking out the lyrics that come with the remasters and on the song Pumping Velvet apparently they shout "Carlos Peron" I just thought it was a chant but now that I listen they are saying "Carlos Peron" very cool. Check It out.

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More Yello
by Graeme Fishwick 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

I totally agree with Jonathan-Lets keep this forum for Yello-why do we need to try and offend anyone in here? After all we are here for one reason only and thats to discuss Yello and anything to do with Yello. If I walked into a record shop and purchased a Yello cd and got home only to find that once I opened it it was, lets say, Pavarotti then I would be a little pissed off-even tho some may not mind his style I for one am not into his type of singing/music- Same here in this group--I signed up for info/release dates etc on Yello but every day its been anything but Yello save for the odd little piece-I am getting to the stage where I am not reading entire threads as they are not related to this group. Come on guys (you know who you are :)). There are a lot of knowelegble people out there who have a wealth of info on the boys-lets not upset them eh? MagicG (Graeme Fishwick)

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You say the sweetest things.
by Jon Kamm 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Organism wrote: Listen, knob, we'll talk about whatever we like best here. We'll talk about yello, we'll talk about DRM, we'll talk about codecs, we'll talk about britney spears and eminem if we want to. YOU do not say. YOU do not own this list. Just because the discussion isn't going in a direction that gobbles your ego does not mean that you get to say "enough" with the very /slightest/ bit of authority. I, for one, enjoy *whatever* comes across the list - and even /your/ swill is "allowed". --gcr Dear iDiot This is the YELLO Mailing list. People subscribe to it to get news and info about YELLO. But your right we would much rather hear you rant and argue and insult people. That is so much more fun. Please keep them coming by the way we can't get enough. Oops sorry I shouldn't of said "we" I can't speak for everyone but I know I can't wait to hear your next words of wisdom. Please make it briliant and maybe throw in one of those cute little poetic phrases you do. Oh and I love when you speak like a Hillbilly. "Windeers", "Po'folk" You crack me up. Please uncle Orgy do the Hillbilly talk. Please ...please. Don't forget the insults. Thank You your hieney for allowing my swill. Didn't know we needed your permission to post here. --knob

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Jon Kamm=Garth Brooks
by Jon Kamm 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Jon Kamm wrote: > > >Let me explain: You can buy CDs used off eBay very cheap. Even new > >releases way below retail price. So the person selling them had to > >get them at below retail in order to make a profit. Now they are > >getting their money back + profit. Do you think they are sending > >little checks to the record companies and record producers? Here I think you are just assuming things. The reseller can have bought his stuff from legal distribution channels, how can you know. The record companies cannot force you to sell CDs in real shops only. The ebay reseller will do his profit since he does not have expenses for a shop like rent, staff, etc. He could have also bought the goods cheap because he bought them used, the are a lot of real 2nd hand record shops. Absolutely legal and without problem. He might also be selling copies ... which is of course illegal > > organism wrote: > You could personally fuel an army with the river of bullshit you spew > with *such* regularity. And so, by your logic, *nothing* could ever be > sold used without the buyer or seller sending a "rights" check off to > the original producer? Books? Cars? Movies? Furniture? Houses? > Anything? > > Dear organism > If I buy a car, a house, a piece of furniture and I sell it, then it > is no longer around for me to use. If I buy music or movies and sell > it. What's to stop me from having made a copy and enjoying the music > for free for the rest of my life. Finally you say it: the one who copies is doing something illegal, not the one selling or buying used stuff. You did not mention that in your first mail. You again are just assuming that everybody who is selling used CDs is making a copy before and thus is a criminal. This is not nice ... especially after you bought quite some used stuff at ebay too, right? /Oliver ------------------------------------------------------ OK I thought this was over but apparently not. You guys are making way to much out of this. I originally said that buying and selling used music on eBay can be looked at as stealing. I was asked how and I explained under what circumstances it could be looked at as stealing. I never said everyone on eBay selling used music is in fact stealing. Just said it could be done. Just making an observation. I think the whole point is that it is very hard to control the stealing of music because it can be copied so easily. I am not blaming anyone or accusing anyone I am just saying that it is being done. What can the record and music companies do about it? I don't know. Thats why they are trying these crazythings like Sony is doing. They are trying to come up with a solution. If you want to keep talking about DRM there are plenty of forums devoted to the subject. I suggest you take it there. Lets get back to Yello please. Thank You

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An observation
by Jon Kamm 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

Thanks Mark, I agree completely. , Jonathan

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An observation
by Mark Pulley 14 Nov '05

14 Nov '05

I have been on this list since early 1997, and it has usually been a nice friendly place. There have been times when people have been offended by another person's comments, but the problem has usually been resolved quickly, and we've got back to happily talking about Yello. This must be the worst I have ever seen this list. I don't mind the occasional off-topic email, or the occasional more in-depth discussion off-topic, but I definitely do *not* want to see crass insults appearing in my inbox. I would prefer not to put on a mail filter to exclude certain people's emails, as I know everyone on this list is capable of sensible discussion without resorting to this sort of behaviour. Mark P. ----------------------<http://users.tpg.com.au/mrpulley/>---------------------- "Your guess is as good as mine Larry. One thing's sure, Inspector Clay is dead, murdered, and somebody's responsible!" (Lt Harper, "Plan 9 From Outer Space")

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RE: [Yello] Jon Kamm=Garth Brooks
by Rory Filer 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

Well actually, Jon, you sort of suggested that we get back to Yello, but it seems like people having finished their opinions on the subject. There has been a lot of discussion about the issue of DRM on this topic, but very little comment on the ethics of Sony for barging their way into our computers. To me, that is the real issue - that a large company feels it can simply install whatever it wants on my computer without so much as telling me they are doing it, without so much as properly testing it so that hackers can't take advantage of it to break into my machine at a later date. And they definitely don't have my permission to go out to the web every time I play their disk so that they can "help me" by looking for other titles that I "might like to know about". Back in the old days, that kind of traffic could have cost me money and tied up my slow dialup connection. There are others using dialup today and they'll be experiencing some degradation because of this traffic, not to mention the extra load placed on the computer by yet another process running in the background. Etc. It's yet another example of how corporations' show they are responsible only to the shareholders and don't give a damn about their customers; many customers (by far the maojority, I'd guess) don't know how to dupe their CDs and couldn't care less about it. Yet they are suffering the same medicine that Sony is trying to protect itself against. I've always been the one who hates it when the teacher punishes the whole class because one bully ruins it by doing something wrong. This is the same thing on a global scale. I know you think I'm crazy, but I ask you all the same: do you support this kind of anti-social behaviour of corporations like Sony? I go bananas every time I hear this kind of news. Some albums are so great that I have to buy them just to hear their rhythms divine. But I'll probably stop playing them in my computer. But I'll keep fighting against this kind of injustice by using alternative media like PODCASTING; take me back into the ring tonight! I wouldn't advocate theft because I don't want my life to be in a serious mess. So I always buy. But it's like the corporations, loyal to the shareholders and not to the musicians or the public are saying "No looking to the right", "No looking to the left", just do it, do it. But I'm going on and on, just on and on. So I'll stop there. Did somebody say something about getting back to Yello? ------------------------------------------------------ OK I thought this was over but apparently not. You guys are making way to much out of this. I originally said that buying and selling used music on eBay can be looked at as stealing. I was asked how and I explained under what circumstances it could be looked at as stealing. I never said everyone on eBay selling used music is in fact stealing. Just said it could be done. Just making an observation. I think the whole point is that it is very hard to control the stealing of music because it can be copied so easily. I am not blaming anyone or accusing anyone I am just saying that it is being done. What can the record and music companies do about it? I don't know. Thats why they are trying these crazythings like Sony is doing. They are trying to come up with a solution. If you want to keep talking about DRM there are plenty of forums devoted to the subject. I suggest you take it there. Lets get back to Yello please. Thank You

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Jon Kamm=Garth Brooks
by Jon Kamm 13 Nov '05

13 Nov '05

>Let me explain: You can buy CDs used off eBay very cheap. Even new >releases way below retail price. So the person selling them had to >get them at below retail in order to make a profit. Now they are >getting their money back + profit. Do you think they are sending >little checks to the record companies and record producers? No. So >one CD can be bought and sold by lets say 10 people the artist gets >paid once when they should of gotten paid 10 times. organism wrote: You could personally fuel an army with the river of bullshit you spew with *such* regularity. And so, by your logic, *nothing* could ever be sold used without the buyer or seller sending a "rights" check off to the original producer? Books? Cars? Movies? Furniture? Houses? Anything? Dear organism If I buy a car, a house, a piece of furniture and I sell it, then it is no longer around for me to use. If I buy music or movies and sell it. What's to stop me from having made a copy and enjoying the music for free for the rest of my life. Your an educated man I think you see what is wrong with that. That fact that music and movies can so easily be copied is the problem and that is what needs to be controlled some how. All these companies are racing to find an answer because they know the one who figures it out will make out like a bandit. In America if someone win's the Lotto, (you know millions of dollars) its common for someone to say "Boy I'd like a piece of that action" meaning they wish they were him. It's just a saying here I think you mis-understood. Instead of just bashing what other people say I would like to hear how you think the whole copy protection problem could be solved. Any ideas?

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Electro-Pop made in Switzerland - Film von Anka Schmid
by Franz Gall 12 Nov '05

12 Nov '05

German dubbed version of TV documentation recently published on Swiss TV in Swiss German http://static.thepiratebay.org/downloadtorrent/3408652.torrent/Yello_-_Film…

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