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Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015
by Bruce Hugo 26 Aug '14

26 Aug '14

I'm with Chuck! Thank you all past and present officers! Your hard work is much appreciated! Bruce Hugo Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2014 06:30:00 -0600 From: Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> To: Joe Bauman <josephmbauman(a)yahoo.com>, Utah Astronomy <utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015 Message-ID: <CAHmuOYrgb-9B93pW2ia-GdMhH_2VdF01Z11S=Cq+rVzagEsKAQ(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 If you all can hold out until I retire, I'll take a turn at running. Only 7 more years, LOL! In the meantime, all you get is my dues money and a heartfelt "Thank You" for your hard work on behalf of the club.

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015
by Joe Bauman 25 Aug '14

25 Aug '14

The problem, as shown by our latest set of nominations, is that secretary-treasurer is such a demanding chore that it's almost impossible to find someone other than Patrick who's competent and wants to do it. I know it because I did the treasurer's duties one year (note to Siegfried: Patrick did some of the secretary aspects of the job because he is the editor of Nova but I did club correspondence and all the treasurer's job). Knowing Patrick, I am certain he isn't trying to grab power, but wants to keep the club running smoothly. Finally, of course, this is a democratic club. We have secret ballots and can vote for someone else if we don't like the way an officer is carrying out the job. It is actually anti-democratic to tell us we can't vote for anyone we want. I can see the benefit of the one big term limit in our national Constitution, the restriction that the president can't serve more than two terms. But I don't think we're in danger of any of our officers launching a world war. We shouldn't take a simple proposal to make our club more democratic, to make it run more smoothly, and twist it into some plot to give power to Patrick in perpetuity. If Siegfried doesn't like it, he should run for secretary-treasurer. ------------------------------ On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 9:57 AM MDT Siegfried Jachmann wrote: >Charlie Green, Patrick and Joe Bauman want to do away with the clause that >limits a person to be an officer to two out of any three years. Basically, >eliminate term limits. > >The term limit clause was one of the main reasons for the "coup" in the >first place. It assures that there will never be a "Ryder" dynasty again. >This change, as I see it, is to accommodate Patrick so he can be perpetual >Secretary/Treasurer. He complained that although someone else may have had >the title, he was still doing the work. My answer to that is, let the other >person do the work and don't interfere. > >I am opposed to the change. While I think some structural changes could be >made similar to other organizations, eliminating the term limitations is >the wrong thing to do. > >Siegfried > > >On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 9:40 AM, Brent Watson via Utah-Astronomy < >utah-astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com> wrote: > >> For those of us who are less informed, what is the nature of the proposed >> amendment? I realize this is not an official club forum, but it would be >> interesting to see the amendment published here. >> >> >> On Monday, August 25, 2014 8:51 AM, Siegfried Jachmann < >> siegfried(a)jachmann.org> wrote: >> >> >> >> Here it is again. >> >> btw., are you able to run for SLAS office? >> >> *Article VIII Constitutional Amendments and Bylaws* >> >> *A. Any member may propose amendment(s) and/or bylaws.* >> >> *B. The amendment and adoption process shall be:* >> >> *1. The proposed amendment(s) and/or bylaw(s), hereinafter called >> "amendment", shall be* >> >> *published in the journal along with notice that the proposed amendment >> will be discussed at* >> >> *the next general meeting.* >> >> *2. The proposed amendment shall be discussed at the next general meeting.* >> >> *3. The following journal will include:* >> >> *a. The pros and cons concerning the proposed amendment written by >> advocates on each* >> >> *side.* >> >> *b. Notification that a vote on the proposed amendment will take place at >> the next* >> >> *general meeting.* >> >> *c. Absentee ballots for the amendment.* >> >> *4. The proposed amendment will be voted on during the next general meeting >> by the* >> >> *memberships present and absentee ballots.* >> >> >> >> *5. The proposed amendment will be adopted if 2/3 of the votes cast favor >> adoption.* >> >> >> On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 5:40 AM, Chuck Hards <chuck.hards(a)gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> > Can someone please illuminate the actual proposed ammendment/procedure >> > being discussed? I can't seem to find it in the entire thread history. >> > >> > Thanks! >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > >> > Send messages to the list to >> > Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> > >> > The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy >> club. >> > >> > To unsubscribe go to: >> > http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> > Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> > "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Siegfried >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> _______________________________________________ >> Utah-Astronomy mailing list >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> >> Send messages to the list to >> Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com >> >> The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. >> >> To unsubscribe go to: >> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >> Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on >> "Unsubscribe or edit options". >> > > > >-- >Siegfried >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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SLAS Pres 2015
by CenturyLink Customer 25 Aug '14

25 Aug '14

Joe would be wiser to propose an admendment that requires a bus be provided for all SLAS events <grins>

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015
by Joe Bauman 25 Aug '14

25 Aug '14

Siegfried would object if someone said it's nighttime. On Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:49 PM, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried(a)jachmann.org> wrote: I think that is wrong. I think the names are to be included. That is something that can be brought up at the next Board meeting. On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:46 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw(a)getbeehive.net> wrote: Hi Sieg, > >Apologies. I did not word that correctly. > >I just listed those who came quickly to mind. I don't think any names are to be attached to the pro and con statements. > >Just one statement listing the pros and another listing the cons. > >??? > >patrick > > > >On 24 Aug 2014, at 22:39, Siegfried Jachmann <siegfried(a)jachmann.org> wrote: > >> In order to be fair, as is expected by the Constitution, if there are 3 people writing "pros" then there will be additional opposition write-ups. It is not just me that stands in opposition to this amendment. In any case, there should be an equal number of pros and cons. >> >> >> Siegfried >> >> >> On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 8:30 PM, Wiggins Patrick <paw(a)getbeehive.net> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Yep, Charlie's proposed amendment will be in the Nova that comes out later this week. >> >> Then we talk about it at the meeting on 17 September. >> >> Charlie's, Joe's and my pros and Sieg's cons go in the issue of Nova that comes out the end of October and the vote is at the meeting on 19 November. >> >> Sound right to everyone? >> >> patrick >> >> On 24 Aug 2014, at 20:05, Rodger C. Fry <rcfry(a)comcast.net> wrote: >> >> > Patrick, >> > >> > We haven’t been following the constitution in amending it. We must first post the proposed amendment in the NOVA, then have a discussion of pros & cons at a general meeting which is then followed by a vote. Please read below and this we must follow. >> > >> > Thanks >> > Rodger C. Fry >> > >> > From: Siegfried Jachmann [mailto:siegfried@jachmann.org] >> > Sent: Sunday, August 24, 2014 9:12 AM >> > To: Rodger C. Fry; astro(a)ryansimpkins.com >> > Subject: Re: SLAS Pres 2015 >> > >> > Thank you for your inputs and thoughts regarding the proposed Constitutional amendment. Upon review of the Constitution I believe Patrick was rushing the process by calling for the pros and cons for the proposed amendment to published in the upcoming NOVA. The current Constitution is very specific in the process required to amend the Constitution. This is the text of the Constitution. >> > >> > >> > >> > Article VIII Constitutional Amendments and Bylaws >> > A. Any member may propose amendment(s) and/or bylaws. >> > B. The amendment and adoption process shall be: >> > 1. The proposed amendment(s) and/or bylaw(s), hereinafter called "amendment", shall be >> > published in the journal along with notice that the proposed amendment will be discussed at >> > the next general meeting. >> > 2. The proposed amendment shall be discussed at the next general meeting. >> > 3. The following journal will include: >> > a. The pros and cons concerning the proposed amendment written by advocates on each >> > side. >> > b. Notification that a vote on the proposed amendment will take place at the next >> > general meeting. >> > c. Absentee ballots for the amendment. >> > 4. The proposed amendment will be voted on during the next general meeting by the >> > memberships present and absentee ballots. >> > 5. The proposed amendment will be adopted if 2/3 of the votes cast favor adoption. >> > >> > >> > >> > A proposed amendment must first be published in the NOVA. It is Charley and Patrick's responsibility to write the amendment for the NOVA. If is it published in the next NOVA it is then to be discussed in the next general meeting, which in this case would be the September meeting. It also means there cannot be a vote on the proposed amendment at the September meeting except perhaps a vote to gauge the sentiment. Nothing binding. >> > >> > The next NOVA (2nd NOVA since the proposed amendment must be published first) will contain the pros and cons. Since the NOVA is a semi-monthly publication it will be the November-December issue that will carry the pro and con texts. >> > >> > Since there is no December general meeting the vote on the issue may take it into January, although, if Patrick rushes the NOVA, it could be November. >> > >> > I apologize for not remembering the process. I accepted Patrick's request for the pros and cons to be in the upcoming NOVA when in fact, it is first required that the proposed amendment is published without the pros and cons. When it is discussed in the next meeting a straw vote can be taken to see it the amendment has support. If it doesn't there is the chance Charlie may withdraw it. >> > >> > In any case we need to follow the provisions of the Constitution. >> > >> > Siegfried >> > >> >> ************************* >> My email address is changing. >> >> Old address: >> paw(a)wirelessbeehive.com >> >> New address: >> paw(a)getbeehive.net >> >> Clear skies, >> >> Patrick Wiggins >> ************************* >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Siegfried > >************************* >My email address has changed. > > >Old address: >paw(a)wirelessbeehive.com > >New address: >paw(a)getbeehive.net > >Clear skies, > >Patrick Wiggins >************************* > > -- Siegfried

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Re: [Utah-astronomy] SLAS Pres 2015
by Joe Bauman 25 Aug '14

25 Aug '14

Hey! There's an idea! ------------------------------ On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 10:57 AM MDT CenturyLink Customer wrote: >Joe would be wiser to propose an admendment that requires a bus be provided for all SLAS events <grins> >_______________________________________________ >Utah-Astronomy mailing list >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy > >Send messages to the list to >Utah-Astronomy(a)mailman.xmission.com > >The Utah-Astronomy mailing list is not affiliated with any astronomy club. > >To unsubscribe go to: >http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/utah-astronomy >Then enter your email address in the space provided and click on "Unsubscribe or edit options".

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Venus & Jupiter
by Chuck Hards 25 Aug '14

25 Aug '14

After many mornings of cloud cover, I was amazed to see how far apart Venus and Jupiter have become in only one week, since their conjunction last Monday morning. No wonder the Greeks called the planets "Wanderers"!

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ISS this eveing
by Wiggins Patrick 23 Aug '14

23 Aug '14

CALSky is calling for the following ISS pass this eveing over northern Utah: Appears 20h37m38s 3.2mag az:305.9° NW horizon Culmination 20h43m04s -4.0mag az:217.3° SW h:87.3° distance: 417.7km height above Earth: 418.6km elevation of Sun: -6° Disappears 20h46m57s -1.6mag az:128.5° SE h:6.9° patrick

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NASA TV to Air Events That Highlight Pluto-Bound Spacecraft
by Wiggins Patrick 22 Aug '14

22 Aug '14

NASA TV to Air Events That Highlight Pluto-Bound Spacecraft Media and the public are invited to attend two events Monday, Aug. 25 from 1-3 p.m. EDT to learn more about the agency’s New Horizons mission to Pluto and its historic connection to the Voyager spacecraft’s visit to Neptune in 1989. The events, which will air live on NASA Television and the agency's website, will take place in the Webb Auditorium at NASA Headquarters, 300 E Street SW in Washington. New Horizons will conduct a six-month-long study of Pluto and its five moons, including a close approach in July 2015. • The 1-2 p.m. event will feature a panel discussion with: o Jim Green, director, NASA’s Planetary Division, Science Mission Directorate, NASA Headquarters, Washington o Ed Stone, Voyager project scientist, California Institute of Technology, Pasadena o Alan Stern, New Horizons principal investigator, Southwest Research Institute, Boulder, Colorado • The 2-3 p.m. event will include several New Horizons science team members giving personal accounts of their work during the Voyager Neptune encounter and their new assignments on the Pluto mission. Panel participants include: o Moderator: David Grinspoon, Planetary Science Institute, Tucson, Arizona o Fran Bagenal, University of Colorado, Boulder o Bonnie Buratti, NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California o Jeffrey Moore, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field, California o John Spencer, Southwest Research Institute, Boulder, Colorado Media and the public can ask questions via social media using #askNASA. For NASA TV streaming video, schedules and downlink information, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/nasatv For more information on New Horizons on the Internet, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/newhorizons For more information on the Voyager interstellar mission, visit: http://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/interstellar.html

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The End
by Wiggins Patrick 22 Aug '14

22 Aug '14

Thanks to the efforts of Nancy and John Matro (thanks you two) I now have the video of just my minute or so portion of the NASA awards ceremony and have posted it to my Facebook page. And for those not yet on Facebook I also posted a copy to my server space. http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/wigginsaward.mp4 As well as the still shot I shared earlier. http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/wigginsaward.jpg And now that this has all become old news I'm putting up the "The End" sign for this saga and look forward to getting back to discussing space exploration and astronomy. One more thanks to all who have been so supportive! VERY much appreciated. patrick (who is still determined to get into space)

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3 years from today
by Wiggins Patrick 22 Aug '14

22 Aug '14

As most here probably already know the 2017 total solar eclipse will darken our skies 3 years from today. Last year when it was 4 years from the magic hour I downloaded the weather satellite image showing cloud cover over the US: http://users.wirelessbeehive.com/~paw/keep/eclipsewx2013.jpg I plan on doing the same today but since that image will be released hours before I normally get up I'm hoping diurnal folks here might want to download it just to be sure we have it in case I sleep through my alarm. Find it here: http://weather.unisys.com/satellite/sat_vis.php?image=ir&inv=0&t=cur&region… We'll want the one shot at 1730 UTC (1130 am MDT). Clear skies, patrick

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